cybercoma Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) I don't see anywhere in that article where it states the RCMP asked for "all documents"Then you should read this article. RCMP investigators have been trying to obtain the email ever since CTV News first revealed its existence two months ago. Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pmo-withholding-email-about-wright-duffy-deal-from-rcmp-sources-1.1370334#ixzz2Zaq3H6AK Now I know for damn sure if any of us "average" citizens withheld evidence from the RCMP, they sure as hell wouldn't wait two months while we dragged our heels. They would be kicking in our doors with guns drawn. Edited July 20, 2013 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westguy Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 D o you mean just like they did in High River? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 D o you mean just like they did in High River? What an assinine analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Then you should read this article. Well, something's amiss, because the PMO says it hasn't been asked to provide said email. I don't pretend to know who's right; maybe both are and this is the usual mega-bureaucratic bungling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 I'm inclined to believe that it the RCMP requested it. It makes no sense that they would say they did, if in fact they had not. Also the PMO'S still hasn't handed the emails over and this has been all over the news. So it seems to me that they're the ones playing games here. They obviously know about it now and still haven't produced the requested evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 How much money did he cost the taxpayer, none. But look at the other ones or even dalton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 How much money did he cost the taxpayer, none. But look at the other ones or even dalton. None? RCMP investigating fraud... probably will end up costing hundreds of thousands.... Duffy and co. collecting fraudulent expenses and their regular paycheques.... hundreds of thousands... Regardless of the cost to taxpayers (even if it was zero), fraud and bribery are illegal and are a symptom of a corrupt government, or individuals within government. They need to be investigated and charged with a crime.... Do you think that criminal activity within government is something that should be exposed and dealt with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy MacNab Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 None? RCMP investigating fraud... probably will end up costing hundreds of thousands.... Duffy and co. collecting fraudulent expenses and their regular paycheques.... hundreds of thousands... Regardless of the cost to taxpayers (even if it was zero), fraud and bribery are illegal and are a symptom of a corrupt government, or individuals within government. They need to be investigated and charged with a crime.... Do you think that criminal activity within government is something that should be exposed and dealt with? Yes I do. That is one major bitch I have with the Harper government. They should have continued to pursue the Adscam affair with every arrow available in their quiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Yes I do. That is one major bitch I have with the Harper government. They should have continued to pursue the Adscam affair with every arrow available in their quiver. They most likely did.... There was nothing else there. What about the current corruption with the current government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Today's news has the possibility Of Del Mastro having charges laid against him by Election Canada and one of the government's lawyers. In the PMO, the RCMP are interviewing many there and again Harper is saying he didn't know anything about it. This brings back Harper saying on tape about the bribing of Cadman and saying "I told them that he probably wouldn't take the bribe," Maybe Harper didn't know but that's very hard to believe of a control freak that he is. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/07/23/duffy_del_mastro_probes_weighing_on_harper_government.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy MacNab Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 They most likely did.... There was nothing else there. What about the current corruption with the current government? Well, as much as you Liberals would like us to "..move on, move on folks - nothing to see, nothing to see." I believe Harper and his government have betrayed Canadians by letting the matter drop. Yes, IF there is as much corruption in the current government as there was in Chretien's, let's see a full investigation with full disclosure. But, I am an idealist and very naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 - There isn't anywhere near the corruption there was in the McGuinty Liberal gov't, now that's corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well, as much as you Liberals would like us to "..move on, move on folks - nothing to see, nothing to see." I believe Harper and his government have betrayed Canadians by letting the matter drop. Yes, IF there is as much corruption in the current government as there was in Chretien's, let's see a full investigation with full disclosure. But, I am an idealist and very naive. I've never voted Liberal in my life... you shouldn't assume. I'm not a partisan hack like some posters here... I will call a spade a spade, regardless of political party. If there was more to it, I would have been all for them charging more corrupt Liberal Party members. Why wouldn't they have pursued it if there was something there? Hopefully the RCMP find enough evidence in this case, because clearly, it stinks of corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 - There isn't anywhere near the corruption there was in the McGuinty Liberal gov't, now that's corruption. So as long as someone, somewhere is more corrupt, you're ok with Conservative corruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 So as long as someone, somewhere is more corrupt, you're ok with Conservative corruption? That seems to be the case with many Conservative Party supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 It's being reported that the PMO was warned by the PCO that it would be made public that no documents to scandal can to found in June. Seems like to me, the shredders were probably busy in June and IF they were isn't that illegal?? http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Prime+Minister+Office+tipped+access+information+requests/8880105/story.html%C2'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Prime+Minister+Office+tipped+access+information+requests/8880105/story.html sorry, it wouldn't go on first attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Mike Duffy friend paid $65K for 'no apparent work,' RCMP allege http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-friend-paid-65k-for-no-apparent-work-rcmp-allege-1.1929977 This is more fraud of taxpayers by Senator Duffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) I'm giving some thought to the question of whether wallin duffy and brazeau should be canned: http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch/story.html?id=9054607 "It gets to the point of recognizing how much power the Senate and the House of Commons have, and I think that the concern is that once you start disciplining and suspending people short of there being criminal charges laid, then where do you draw the line?" Dodek said. "The concern would also be about potential use of that power for partisan purposes." Food for thought. If there are no clear rules, and governments just make up Senate disciplinary actions as they go ... will they start canning senators for political gain? They will if they can. . Edited October 19, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 The idea that the House or PMO can just unilaterally decide to can Senators is a baaad precedent, regardless of how much I want to agree with it in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Well, well, well..... Duffy's criminal defense lawyer, Donald Bayne, just threw a big bomb into the middle of the room. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-s-lawyer-says-expenses-approved-by-senate-pmo-1.2128886 Duffy was totally within the rules, but the rules were politically embarrassing when he actually used them. So they concocted the whole scenario to make it look like he was abusing the rules,. The article in the link is way too brief. The complete news conference by Bayne had a lot more pertinent information and snippets of evidence. I hope somebody puts it up in its entirety. If Harper thought he had trouble before, the next few days and weeks should be entertaining as hell.!!! Edited October 21, 2013 by Icebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I watched the lawyer and there's definitely more to come and he kinda indicate that Harper did know but was very careful of his wording. It looks like the Tories wanted to thrown Duffy under the bus but the guy is too big and is fighting back. In QP today, the Tories only wanted to change the channel and talk about the EU Accord that really no one knows exactly what's in it and that it may not be agreed upon for another two years. By that time the Tories could be seating as the Third Party. Every poll I've seen so far believe Harper knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Well, well, well..... Duffy's criminal defense lawyer, Donald Bayne, just threw a big bomb into the middle of the room. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-s-lawyer-says-expenses-approved-by-senate-pmo-1.2128886 Duffy was totally within the rules, but the rules were politically embarrassing when he actually used them. So they concocted the whole scenario to make it look like he was abusing the rules,. AND concocted the payment ... for him to keep quiet , and treatened to throw him out.Buying favours and threatening a senator is a criminal offence, for which Nigel Wright is already under investigation. A bombshell indeed, if Wright spoke on behalf of the PMO, not as a private 'friend' as the PM claimed earlier. As you said: If Harper thought he had trouble before, the next few days and weeks should be entertaining as hell.!!! . Edited October 21, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Well, well, well..... Duffy's criminal defense lawyer, Donald Bayne, just threw a big bomb into the middle of the room. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-s-lawyer-says-expenses-approved-by-senate-pmo-1.2128886 Duffy was totally within the rules, but the rules were politically embarrassing when he actually used them. So they concocted the whole scenario to make it look like he was abusing the rules,. So....let me make sure I understand....you're saying you believe that Duffy is actually innocent of any wrong doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 The PMO decided they wanted to sweep a political embarrassment to their Tory base under the rug Please...even if it was revealed that the PMO was the headquarters for NAMBLA the base would remain as loyal as the day is long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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