Sleipnir Posted November 6, 2012 Report Posted November 6, 2012 show us how please. The way it has always been since McKenzie King in 1921. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Boges Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) I wonder if this will follow Justin around? Mulroney was from Quebec, Was he one of the century's great PM's? Edited November 22, 2012 by Boges Quote
Topaz Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Justin wants to be the leader of the Liberals and there's a big difference between be the leader and being the PM. I think it would be better for him, lead the party for a few years before taking the PMO. Quote
Boges Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Well starting April 2013, if he wins he has around 2 years to practice. Quote
guyser Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Probably follow him around as much as Harpers fire wall letter. All said, it was a dumb thing to say. Quote
Argus Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Probably follow him around as much as Harpers fire wall letter. All said, it was a dumb thing to say. It will follow him a lot more closely because it wasn't something said years ago while in the private sector. It was said TODAY while he's campaigning for the Liberal leadership. Added to what that nitwit McGuinty said the other day it will probably do in the Liberal Candidate in Calgary. And you can be damned sure that if he wins the leadership the Tories will be using this in a national ad campaign, especially in the West and Ontario. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 It will follow him a lot more closely because it wasn't something said years ago while in the private sector. It was said TODAY while he's campaigning for the Liberal leadership. It was said two years ago, look at the transcript. But, It may well become a thorn in his side. Shades of daddy im afraid. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Well a poll out today shows once agin he'd form a majority government in an election. Quote
dre Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 As someone who supported Trudeau the elder as a youth, who shook his hand, I am utterly dismayed with the idea that his son could achieve this type of support with no remarkable ideas - especially at a time when ideas are what is needed. Why? Its no secret that theres two major reasons the liberals find themselves in the position they are.... 1. Sponsorhip. And 2... their failure to elect a leader that Canadians like. It doesnt suprise me at all that the Liberal party would do much better with a leader that Canadians approve of... I cant imagine why you would be dismayed by something so easy to understand. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Michael Hardner Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Why? Its no secret that theres two major reasons the liberals find themselves in the position they are.... 1. Sponsorhip. And 2... their failure to elect a leader that Canadians like. It doesnt suprise me at all that the Liberal party would do much better with a leader that Canadians approve of... I cant imagine why you would be dismayed by something so easy to understand. Did you read my post ? I will reiterate for you. " I am utterly dismayed with the idea that his son could achieve this type of support with no remarkable ideas - especially at a time when ideas are what is needed.". You can be dismayed and still understand why it's happening. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Did you read my post ? I will reiterate for you. " I am utterly dismayed with the idea that his son could achieve this type of support with no remarkable ideas - especially at a time when ideas are whatever is needed.". You can be dismayed and still understand why it's happening. Maybe what we need in our democracy - "government by the people" - is leaders who listen to the ideas of the people instead of doing the bidding of - eg - the Power Corporation. With corporate power brokers in the driver's seat, we don't have "government by the people". Think JTrudeau is such a man who believes in and strives for real democracy, not the sham we've had where our elected 'representatives' in the ruling party are muzzled and prevented from representing the ideas of their constituents and forced to support the corporate agenda of their political masters, an agenda that takes wealth from the poor and middle class and funnels it to the wealthiest, those who really 'run things' and run us only for their personal profit. Edited November 23, 2012 by jacee Quote
Boges Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Think JTrudeau is such a man? No, because his ideas are simply to pander to Quebec. Remember when he said that he'd rather be a Separtist than live in a Harper run Canada. The man has some extreme opinions. I'm too young to have a relevant opinion of PET but I'd imagine he was a bit better at being a uniter than Junior here. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Maybe what we need in our democracy - "government by the people" - is leaders who listen to the ideas of the people instead of doing the bidding of - eg - the Power Corporation. With corporate power brokers in the driver's seat, we don't have "government by the people". Think JTrudeau is such a man who believes in and strives for real democracy, not the sham we've had where our elected 'representatives' in the ruling party are muzzled and prevented from representing the ideas of their constituents and forced to support the corporate agenda of their political masters, an agenda that takes wealth from the poor and middle class and funnels it to the wealthiest, those who really 'run things' and run us only for their personal profit. His daddy worked for Power Corp..... Quote
wyly Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 trudeaus comment on albertans "socio-democratic agenda" was spot on, I'd rather someone more socailly progressive take the lead and quebec generally leads the way in that department..if given only two choices who would we want leading our country a redneck bible thumper or trudeau?....rob anders as PM? I shudder at the thought... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 trudeaus comment on albertans "socio-democratic agenda" was spot on, I'd rather someone more socailly progressive take the lead and quebec generally leads the way in that department..if given only two choices who would we want leading our country a redneck bible thumper or trudeau?....rob anders as PM? I shudder at the thought... You really would characterize Harper as a "redneck bible thumper"? Talk about offensive stereotypes. Quote
Guest Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 You really would characterize Harper as a "redneck bible thumper"? Talk about offensive stereotypes. There's no such thing as an offensive stereotype going from left to right. You know that. Quote
wyly Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 You really would characterize Harper as a "redneck bible thumper"? Talk about offensive stereotypes. absolutely, he's just politically more astute than trudeau not saying what he thinks, that ended stockwell days political quest for leadership...check out harpers church and it's twisted values, a moderate sensible person would switch churches but not harper... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Guest Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 One of the things that makes Harper such a good leader is that he is able to separate his private life (in which I have absolutely no interest, so long as he breaks no laws) and his public life. He is absolutely the best PM the Canadians could have hoped for during the last decade or so. A good article on the man from today's National Post(CONFG) http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/22/john-ivison-harper-may-exhibit-the-compassion-of-an-icicle-but-he-gets-the-big-things-right/ Quote
Boges Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 absolutely, he's just politically more astute than trudeau not saying what he thinks, that ended stockwell days political quest for leadership...check out harpers church and it's twisted values, a moderate sensible person would switch churches but not harper... Is this more hidden agenda foolishness? When has he ever put his religion into his policies as PM. He's taken great steps to avoid such things even if there are people in his party that are religiously motivated. You can't be a big tent party like the CPC is and not have some "bible thumpers" in the fold. I'm sure there are plenty of Dippers that are flat-out communist, but they don't reflect the direction of the party. As for being a redneck. That imagine of him at the Stampede in Cowboy gear made it clear he doesn't do the rural cowboy thing that well. Quote
wyly Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 because it's not vocalized does not mean it isn't present, publicly admitting it would end his career he never would've been elected...a smart politician hides/disguises his objectives and the reasons for doing so... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Sleipnir Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 trudeaus comment on albertans "socio-democratic agenda" was spot on, I'd rather someone more socailly progressive take the lead and quebec generally leads the way in that department..if given only two choices who would we want leading our country a redneck bible thumper or trudeau?....rob anders as PM? I shudder at the thought... Rob Anders will never be PM, he's too explosive and polarizing of a figure. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Guest Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 because it's not vocalized does not mean it isn't present, publicly admitting it would end his career he never would've been elected...a smart politician hides/disguises his objectives and the reasons for doing so... How exactly could he get laws passed in parliament without vocalizing them? Semaphore? Talk about not dealing from a full deck... Quote
cybercoma Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 No, because his ideas are simply to pander to Quebec Look, I don't support the Liberals per se and I've certainly not been swayed by Mr. Trudeau yet, but this regurgitating nonsensical Conservative talking points needs to stop. This is no better than saying "Harper just wants to pander to Alberta" then quoting something he said in '96. You're above this kind of junk, I thought. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Is this more hidden agenda foolishness? When has he ever put his religion into his policies as PM.He hasn't. If his religion guided his political life, he would have joined the party of the Social Gospel: the NDP. Quote
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