2012 debates

Shady · October 17, 2012

Our government is doing well, but, Romney isn't Harper.

He's a lot closer to Harper than Obama is.

BubberMiley · October 17, 2012

Rose Garden speech regarding the attack: "No acts of terrorism have phased this nation."

Smallc · October 17, 2012

He's a lot closer to Harper than Obama is.

I'm not so sure. Harper isn't the flip flopper that he is.

Shady · October 17, 2012

Rose Garden speech regarding the attack: "No acts of terrorism have phased this nation."

Yep, no acts of terrorism have phased America. Now, was Libya a terrorist attack, or a video protest?

Shady · October 17, 2012

I'm not so sure. Harper isn't the flip flopper that he is.

I guess. But I'm talking economic policy. Taxes, spending, governement. They're both conservative. You however, cheer for a policitican who's policies you wouldn't want our country adopting. But you're ok with other people having to live under them. It's pretty despicable.

sharkman · October 17, 2012

This is going to be one of those debates in which both sides declare victory, but I believe the polling data will show it to be pretty much a tie. After watching most of the debate I think both sides got some zingers in, but that's the way it usually is. Still wondering what happened to Obama in round one though. If he loses this election, that will be counted as one of the big reasons why.

BubberMiley · October 17, 2012

Yep, no acts of terrorism have phased America. Now, was Libya a terrorist attack, or a video protest?

Oh right, you don't understand anything when it is put in context. I forgot.

Moonlight Graham · October 17, 2012

He's a lot closer to Harper than Obama is.

Economically, Harper ran big deficits (increased the debt) based on Keynesian stimulus spending and used billions to bail out the auto industry etc. in response to the recession. Obama did the exact same thing, but Romney rejected the auto bailouts. So maybe Obama/Harper aren't so different.

dre · October 17, 2012

Economically, Harper ran big deficits (increased the debt) based on Keynesian stimulus spending and used billions to bail out the auto industry etc. in response to the recession. Obama did the exact same thing, but Romney rejected the auto bailouts. So maybe Obama/Harper aren't so different.

And really Mitt rejecting the bailouts is just an appeal to populism. Whoever was in charge would have done exactly the same thing, Be it Bush, OBama, Romney, Martin, Harper, Chretien, Clinton. And the leaders in pretty much every other country did the same thing too.

Now its true you can credit the Canadas prime minister for the fact we didnt get hit as badly by the economic crisis. But that prime minister isnt Harper its Sir John A Macdonald who nationalized Canadas central bank.

Edited October 17, 2012 by dre

blueblood · October 17, 2012

Economically, Harper ran big deficits (increased the debt) based on Keynesian stimulus spending and used billions to bail out the auto industry etc. in response to the recession. Obama did the exact same thing, but Romney rejected the auto bailouts. So maybe Obama/Harper aren't so different.

Harper had to run deficits or the opposition would have booted his party out of government. Hence the proroguing situation. We don't know what Harper would have wanted to do because he didn't have a majority with an election 3+ years away.

August1991 · October 17, 2012

This is going to be one of those debates in which both sides declare victory, but I believe the polling data will show it to be pretty much a tie.

It's curious that I found the first debate to be a tie but I think that Obama lost this second debate. Or should I say, that Obama may have won this second debate on points but he lost it because he appeared to be arrogant and swaggering. For the Democratic base (the 40% or so of committed Democrats), they may describe him as "forceful" but for the critical undecided, he showed a side of his personality that is rarely seen in public: he is filled with himself.

blueblood · October 17, 2012

Oh and Obama did much better tonight. According to CNN, Romney won on the money side of things and Medicare. Obama won on foreign policy and the debate itself.

Romney is in the harder space because he is advocating a more negative position on things than obama is.

John king stated that Obama needed to win on economic matters, the deficit, and Medicare, and unfortunately he didn't. It's a weird poll, but that's how they scored it.

Shady · October 17, 2012

Oh and Obama did much better tonight. According to CNN, Romney won on the money side of things and Medicare. Obama won on foreign policy and the debate itself.

Romney is in the harder space because he is advocating a more negative position on things than obama is.

John king stated that Obama needed to win on economic matters, the deficit, and Medicare, and unfortunately he didn't. It's a weird poll, but that's how they scored it.

You're right about that. In the CBS poll that showed Obama winning the debate 37% to 30%, they also showed Romney winning the issue of the economy 65% to 34%. That's another disaster for Obama.

Moonlight Graham · October 17, 2012

Harper had to run deficits or the opposition would have booted his party out of government. Hence the proroguing situation. We don't know what Harper would have wanted to do because he didn't have a majority with an election 3+ years away.

Fair enough I suppose.

bud · October 17, 2012

obama wants to give out candy to the american people by running a deficit, while romney wants to give out candy to the military industrial complex and the rich by running a deficit.

which harvard lawyer do you agree with?

Moonlight Graham · October 17, 2012

It's curious that I found the first debate to be a tie but I think that Obama lost this second debate. Or should I say, that Obama may have won this second debate on points but he lost it because he appeared to be arrogant and swaggering. For the Democratic base (the 40% or so of committed Democrats), they may describe him as "forceful" but for the critical undecided, he showed a side of his personality that is rarely seen in public: he is filled with himself.

I think Obama's increased forcefulness will be negated by Romney being even more so IMO.

Moonlight Graham · October 17, 2012

obama wants to give out candy to the american people by running a deficit, while romney wants to give out candy to the military industrial complex and the rich by running a deficit.

which harvard lawyer do you agree with?

well said sir

Smallc · October 17, 2012

Oh Shady:

As for who would do a better job of handling the economy, the president made some headway on closing that gap. Before the debate, 71 percent said they believed Romney would, while only 27 percent said they thought Obama would; after the debate, 34 percent said the president would better handle the economy, with 65 percent saying Romney would.

Obama would also be more likely to help the middle class, according to 56 percent of voters after the debate, compared with 43 percent who said that about Romney.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57533850/poll-obama-edges-romney-in-second-debate/

sharkman · October 17, 2012

obama wants to give out candy to the american people by running a deficit, while romney wants to give out candy to the military industrial complex and the rich by running a deficit.

which harvard lawyer do you agree with?

1) Romney has an aggressive plan to eliminate the deficit while Obama's track record on deficits speaks for itself.

2) Romney is not a lawyer.

Shady · October 17, 2012

Oh Shady:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57533850/poll-obama-edges-romney-in-second-debate/

If Obamas losing the issue of the economy by 71% or 65%, than he's in huge trouble.

bud · October 17, 2012

1) Romney has an aggressive plan to eliminate the deficit while Obama's track record on deficits speaks for itself.

how is he going to eliminate the deficit when he's going to be cutting taxes for the wealthy and putting even more money towards the military industrial complex? how are you so sure that his words about eliminating the deficit will come true when he hasn't even given the details in how he will do this? why are you falling for crap that has been repeated over and over and over by other party leaders?

2) Romney is not a lawyer.

he has his law degree from harvard. close enough.

dre · October 17, 2012

how is he going to eliminate the deficit when he's going to be cutting taxes for the wealthy and putting even more money towards the military industrial complex? how are you so sure that his words about eliminating the deficit will come true when he hasn't even given the details in how he will do this? why are you falling for crap that has been repeated over and over and over by other party leaders?

he has his law degree from harvard. close enough.

To believe either candidate/party will eliminate the deficit is pure fantasy.

bud · October 17, 2012

To believe either candidate/party will eliminate the deficit is pure fantasy.

we agree.

Bonam · October 17, 2012

So I just watched the debate. Gotta say, I think Obama did way better this time, and that he came across much better than Romney.

cybercoma · October 17, 2012

Actually, Obama lied about calling the attack terrorism.

Actually you're lying because you don't ever research anything you say. More damage to your credibility, Shady. When are you going to start being honest because all of your lies are really starting to make you look like an idiot.