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Yes, he personally invaded another country and killed people. :rolleyes:

Why are you always pretending to be obtuse? Does it make it easier to post.

Man your the one to talk!

And yes he did personally invade Iraq!

Cheney can transform into a fighter/bomber.Didn't you know that?

All republican vise-presidents can transform into some kind of milatary devise and help the armed forces conduct raids and covert opperations.

No sorry I am just joking,he can't transorm into anything.

If he could transform into anything he would probably transform into a beer fridge or maybe a drag queen,I don't know which?You pick one.

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Is free speech ALL free speech?

The following quoted post and an earlier one in a different thread venue would appear to be in conflict. Since there has been much ado about free speech and restricting free speech as it suits some. I am puzzled how we can support free speech on one hand (by some) and justify limiting free speech on the other hand. To me free speech includes the right to offend within laws. That YOU may not like my opinion is your right, but that should not restrict mine. Advocating banning, censorship or restriction to your country because of an opinion differing from your own is pretty disingenuous and amounts to undue restriction of rights. (My personal opinion)

Meanwhile,

In Canada,(The USA has better free speech laws), some like Chaney and Ann Coulter and others including those for 'Right To Life" groups have been denied free speech by leftist louts through intimidation. Generally at Universities, but not just. Intimidation goes beyond free speech but that seems selectively ok to some???

An interesting opinion follows,,,,, difficult to disagree with the sentiments expressed but confusing and perhaps contradictory ?

name='WWWTT' date='19 March 2012 - 03:02 PM' timestamp='1332187375' post='774666']

Oh man I was going to make a comment here but this stupid bot is starting to rune things.

Anyways its good that people are excersing their right to protest Cheney!He did things that people feel was wrong and it is their right to let him now that if he comes to Canada they will let him know that they feel he acted inapropriately!

Thats the way the wheels of democracy turns-Don't like it-then you are anti democratic!

While here above a poster strongly supports the (democratic) right of protest in this case,

yet, in a prior post the same thinks I should be banned ( I conclude),

to restrict my rights to free speech?

Some might think that by supporting one's Democratic right to protest

above re; Chaney 

and yet suggesting that another's opining should be banned might be an example of hypocrisy.

A good example for concluding that might be your support of the right to voice an opinion on Chaney yet in th post I reference below you would deny me a right to speak and even would have me banned for my opinion. I ask you does that not seem hypocritical ? It might to some.

It would be perhaps, an interesting reconciliation of those views as being mutually consistent?

How do you reconcile what I deem to be an inconsistency re free speech rights and suppression by censorship or banning. Your view seems rather contradictory and I would certainly like to understand whether you are for ALL free speech, OR selective free speech.

Care to address the apparent conflict in position cited in the following earlier post?

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:35 PM

View PostPeeves, on 06 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

But see, I was working for my wages and they were stealing my money. They probably became staunch NDP'ers.

Your twisted buddy!

So much so that you are using the misfortunes of victim of crime to vent your frustration!

You should be banned from this site buddy!

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you're the one that apparently feels so strongly about it. How about you quit the double standard, and apply your outrage equally instead of selective? :rolleyes:

Stop being a hypocrite.

Wow I'm being called a hypocrite for the first time!Good for you Shady.

I don't understand the premise but good for you!

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Is free speech ALL free speech?

Care to address the apparent conflict in position cited in the following earlier post?

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Your twisted buddy!

So much so that you are using the misfortunes of victim of crime to vent your frustration!

You should be banned from this site buddy!

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Ya thats an easy one man!

On this site(mapleleafweb) you are not entitled to the same rights as the Canadian constitution and Canadian law!

If you got a problem witht that then bring it up with the Admin.

I don't make the rules around here.

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If you do not like the fact that Canadians are protesting your idol,crying about it is not going to change how many up here feel.

I don't care if Canadians want to protest VP Cheney, but he should be able to speak in Canada without fear or threat of violence just to shut him up. Some of you guys wouldn't know free speech even if it bit you in the arse.

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I don't care if Canadians want to protest VP Cheney, but he should be able to speak in Canada without fear or threat of violence just to shut him up. Some of you guys wouldn't know free speech even if it bit you in the arse.

You're forgetting the left's motto. "Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee."

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I don't care if Canadians want to protest VP Cheney, but he should be able to speak in Canada without fear or threat of violence just to shut him up. Some of you guys wouldn't know free speech even if it bit you in the arse.

It's the leftist's way. "Free speech for all that agree with me."

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Ya thats an easy one man!

On this site(mapleleafweb) you are not entitled to the same rights as the Canadian constitution and Canadian law!

If you got a problem witht that then bring it up with the Admin.

I don't make the rules around here.

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Well I don't accept or take a threat or suggestion of being banned lightly.

So where were my stated opinions contrary to the parameter of speech as allowed here. It would seem to me that your accusatory remarks advocating banning are more pejorative than anything I said.

So, then, you can't reconcile the apparent conflict in your position on support of free speech in the one case and advocating banning without citing reason, in another?

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Hold on a second there buddy!

Cretein did not allow Canada to go into Iraq!

Iraq was the turning point for the US.Before Iraq there was still much sympathy for the US after 9-11.

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Yes he did. With UN-authorized coalition force from 34 nations led by the United States, against Iraq.

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Neither do I, we agree.

The young people here in Canada especially I have noticed, on campuses and whatnot, do not seem to have any idea what the Charter is or what it entails, or at least have no respect for it. I've taken university classes recently in political science, and the kids are smart as a whip, but for some reason when it comes to political action outside the classroom many of them turn into idiots, and scary ones at that.

Let's just say, I'm quite concerned for the future of Canadian politics.

Apparently we are in agreement. I seriously did not get that from what you originally posted, and as I said, Cheney has legitimate security concerns in Canada. Your country isn't all sugar and spice, and demonstrators have been known to get out of hand. I do think it's too bad when people try to shut other people's voices down. If everyone succeeded in doing that, we would be left with silence. Furthermore, listening to someone we don't agree with is a learning experience. What is the point of only listening to those we agree with? I don't understand that mindset. At any rate, it's one thing to demonstrate against someone's views/politics - quite another to try to keep them from speaking (especially when their tactics to silence them go beyond exercising their freedom of expression).

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The young people here in Canada especially I have noticed, on campuses and whatnot, do not seem to have any idea what the Charter is or what it entails, or at least have no respect for it.

This also seems true of many of the people and things being protested, especially Cheney.

Let's just say, I'm quite concerned for the future of Canadian politics.

That ship clearly left it's berth years ago.

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Apparently we are in agreement. I seriously did not get that from what you originally posted, and as I said, Cheney has legitimate security concerns in Canada. Your country isn't all sugar and spice, and demonstrators have been known to get out of hand. I do think it's too bad when people try to shut other people's voices down. If everyone succeeded in doing that, we would be left with silence. Furthermore, listening to someone we don't agree with is a learning experience. What is the point of only listening to those we agree with? I don't understand that mindset. At any rate, it's one thing to demonstrate against someone's views/politics - quite another to try to keep them from speaking (especially when their tactics to silence them go beyond exercising their freedom of expression).

Well said. We need an applaud 'moti.

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This also seems true of many of the people and things being protested, especially Cheney.

That ship clearly left it's berth years ago.

Actual safety concerns have caused cancellations before Chaney.

A controversial event at the University of Ottawa featuring right-wing U.S. pundit Ann Coulter was canceled due to apparent safety concerns, after 200 students gathered in protest outside.

Lawyer and political activist Ezra Levant, who was slated to speak before Coulter, broke the news to the half-filled auditorium in Marion Hall, after chaos at the registration table and a pulled fire alarm caused delays. “The police and the security have advised that it would be physically dangerous for Ann Coulter to proceed with this event and for others to come in,” Levant said.

http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2010/03/23/coulters-u-of-o-event-canceled/

I'm pretty sure any anti-Israeli or anti- American would be welcomed by these hate groups with open arms. Probably even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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Actual safety concerns have caused cancellations before Chaney.

A controversial event at the University of Ottawa featuring right-wing U.S. pundit Ann Coulter was canceled due to apparent safety concerns, after 200 students gathered in protest outside.

Ohhhhh noes, where are my Depends?

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Well I don't accept or take a threat or suggestion of being banned lightly.

So where were my stated opinions contrary to the parameter of speech as allowed here. It would seem to me that your accusatory remarks advocating banning are more pejorative than anything I said.

So, then, you can't reconcile the apparent conflict in your position on support of free speech in the one case and advocating banning without citing reason, in another?

Oh ya I remember now,you wanted a couple of kids beaten up as punishment for a crime they commited(beating up on another kid)And then you went on a rant suggesting that these kids were somehow going to be NDP members or something like that right?

Yes thats right it sounded like you were using the victims unfortunate circumstance to satisfy your vengence for a similar event that you described happening to yourself.

Oh well I guess the admin. did not justify your literature a warrant for you to be banned,did you get suspended?

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Oh ya I remember now,you wanted a couple of kids beaten up as punishment for a crime they commited(beating up on another kid)And then you went on a rant suggesting that these kids were somehow going to be NDP members or something like that right?

Yes thats right it sounded like you were using the victims unfortunate circumstance to satisfy your vengence for a similar event that you described happening to yourself.

Oh well I guess the admin. did not justify your literature a warrant for you to be banned,did you get suspended?

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A more convoluted recall I have never read.

Now I understand you, I will act accordingly.

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