Guest American Woman Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Shows how much of a wuss he really is. He can handle going to Iraq and Afhanistan, but cannot handle us Canadians? Laughable. He brings his own security when he goes to Iraq, and he doesn't announce it to the masses ahead of time. In other words, it's not a publicized event, open to the public. Edited March 22, 2012 by American Woman Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 22, 2012 Author Report Posted March 22, 2012 Shows how much of a wuss he really is. He can handle going to Iraq and Afhanistan, but cannot handle us Canadians? Laughable. Yup pretty ironic that he'll send other people's kids into a warzone, but he won't send himself to Canada out of personal safety concerns. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest American Woman Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 Yup pretty ironic that he'll send other people's kids into a warzone, but he won't send himself to Canada out of personal safety concerns. You're really sitting on both sides of the fence here, aren't you? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 He brings his own security when he goes to Iraq, and he doesn't announce it to the masses ahead of time. I don't think one gets to be VP and SOD (etc) by being a 'wuss'. As well, at 71, he might not want to have fist fights with or dodge thrown objects from hard-done-by Canadian protesters/anarchists/pitchfork carriers. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 I don't think one gets to be VP and SOD (etc) by being a 'wuss'. As well, at 71, he might not want to have fist fights with or dodge thrown objects from hard-done-by Canadian protesters/anarchists/pitchfork carriers. 71 with a heart condition. Even the organizer of the event referred to the protesters in Vancouver - who required police in riot gear to get them under control - as "thugs." I don't get where the "this is Canada!" - as if nothing violent/bad ever happens in Canada - mindset is coming from. As I said, I'm not fan of Cheney, but I can see the situation for what it is. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 71 with a heart condition. Even the organizer of the event referred to the protesters in Vancouver - who required police in riot gear to get them under control - as "thugs." I don't get where the "this is Canada!" - as if nothing violent/bad ever happens in Canada - mindset is coming from. As I said, I'm not fan of Cheney, but I can see the situation for what it is. Vancouver has a reputation for being a hot-bed of Anarchists and other types of carrer protesters thanks to the welfare/social system they wish to destroy and the convienient location of the DTES to most venues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Eastside Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Vancouver has a reputation for being a hot-bed of Anarchists and other types of carrer protesters thanks to the welfare/social system they wish to destroy and the convienient location of the DTES to most venues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Eastside Interesting. I seem to recall reading that Vancouver has one of the highest crime rates in North America. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Interesting. I seem to recall reading that Vancouver has one of the highest crime rates in North America. It's sordid and splendid at the same time, the DTES. Lots of meth and heroin use. But also one of the oldest parts of the city...includes Chinatown and Gastown. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Posted March 23, 2012 You're really sitting on both sides of the fence here, aren't you? What do you mean? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Interesting. I seem to recall reading that Vancouver has one of the highest crime rates in North America. Property crime. Vancouver's violent crime rate is not the best, but it's certainly not the worst. Overall, violent crime is much less of a problem in Canada than the country that Cheney lives in, and so he shouldn't be concerned. It isn't like the US hasn't had violent protests recently...see Oakland. Again, this is obviously a very dangerous country. Quote
jbg Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Agreed. Peaceful protesting is fine, but blocking people's right to speak is just wrong. Although, some speaking engagements have been cancelled in Canada seemingly just have from the shher (probably mean "sheer") size of the peacefully protesting (though loud and vocal & seemingly not happy lol) crowds being a safety concern in themselves even though they posed no imminent threat, which is understandable. I think that's what happened at one Ann Coulter event if I recall. But still, there have been more than enough other not-so-pleasant incidents. The problem is that drowning out a speaker is on the very borders of peaceful protest. There is no debate on ideas if one side drowns the other out and prevents them from speaking.Even if violence were not an issue, why would a speaker come to speak if it's predictable that no one will get to hear him or her? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bleeding heart Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Furthermore, I'm becoming less and less impressed with Canada's "tolerance" regarding giving everyone a voice. Canada has never been especialy famous for "giving everyone a voice." Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Property crime. Vancouver's violent crime rate is not the best, but it's certainly not the worst. Overall, violent crime is much less of a problem in Canada than the country that Cheney lives in, and so he shouldn't be concerned. It isn't like the US hasn't had violent protests recently...see Oakland. Again, this is obviously a very dangerous country. "Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 American Woman, on 22 March 2012 - 07:19 PM, said: You're really sitting on both sides of the fence here, aren't you? What do you mean? Seems to me you agreed that the concern for Cheney was security issues, not that Canada was "too dangerous" as they are two different things (the latter being the media's words, not Cheney's), and that taking past history into consideration, his concerns are legitimate - yet you agree with "Shows how much of a wuss he really is. He can handle going to Iraq and Afhanistan, but cannot handle us Canadians? Laughable." Either he has legitimate concerns - or he's a wuss and it's laughable that he "cannot handle [you] Canadians". To agree with both appears to be "sitting on both sides of the fence." Furthermore, it took police in riot gear several hours to "handle [you] Canadians." It wasn't a real "laughable" situation. Quote
Smallc Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 "Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." I know you are but what am I? Do you deny that the US had a higher violent crime rate? Do you deny that the Us has had protests that were less than peaceful, even recently? Quote
dre Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 The problem is that drowning out a speaker is on the very borders of peaceful protest. There is no debate on ideas if one side drowns the other out and prevents them from speaking. Even if violence were not an issue, why would a speaker come to speak if it's predictable that no one will get to hear him or her? The problem is youre ignoring human nature. People that are extremely unpopular and divisive, are going to have a hard time at public appearances. They will get booed, jeered, and shouted down. If I do something thats incredibly offensive to the community at large, then thats what going to happen. You can complain about it all you want, but thats how the "community" works. Actions have consequences, and Mr Cheney is learning that first hand. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 The problem is youre ignoring human nature. People that are extremely unpopular and divisive, are going to have a hard time at public appearances. They will get booed, jeered, and shouted down. If I do something thats incredibly offensive to the community at large, then thats what going to happen. You can complain about it all you want, but thats how the "community" works. Actions have consequences, and Mr Cheney is learning that first hand. Oh really? How was the average Vancouver anarchist hurt by Dick Cheney? Tell them to get jobs? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Posted March 23, 2012 Seems to me you agreed that the concern for Cheney was security issues, not that Canada was "too dangerous" as they are two different things (the latter being the media's words, not Cheney's), and that taking past history into consideration, his concerns are legitimate - yet you agree with "Shows how much of a wuss he really is. He can handle going to Iraq and Afhanistan, but cannot handle us Canadians? Laughable." Either he has legitimate concerns - or he's a wuss and it's laughable that he "cannot handle [you] Canadians". To agree with both appears to be "sitting on both sides of the fence." Furthermore, it took police in riot gear several hours to "handle [you] Canadians." It wasn't a real "laughable" situation. He also applied for and was granted 5 draft deferments during the Vietnam War. He is a wuss. There are legit security concerns, but I wouldn't think that would bother such a wannabe hardass. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Actions have consequences, and Mr Cheney is learning that first hand. Mr. Cheney doesn't appear to be the one who's "incredibly disappointed" by his cancellation; the organizers and the people who held tickets are the ones being deprived. Furthermore, I doubt whether someone gets to be VP without knowing that actions have consequences. "Actions have consequences" is why we went to war - and by "we," I include Canada. Edited March 23, 2012 by American Woman Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) He also applied for and was granted 5 draft deferments during the Vietnam War. Granted 5 times. Perhaps he was against the war in Indochina like the noble Draft Dodgers. He is a wuss. There are legit security concerns, but I wouldn't think that would bother such a wannabe hardass. Ever been in a violent riot? Edited March 23, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 He also applied for and was granted 5 draft deferments during the Vietnam War. He is a wuss. There are legit security concerns, but I wouldn't think that would bother such a wannabe hardass. So ignoring legitimate security concerns = wuss? Quote
Guest Peeves Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 http://www.booksie.com/editorial_and_opinion/essay/lolahatter0912/free-speech:-death-by-denial-or-life-by-acceptance Canada needs something more akin to First Amendment rights. (more at link.) Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. Charles Bradlaugh Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Posted March 23, 2012 Furthermore, I doubt whether someone gets to be VP without knowing that actions have consequences. "Actions have consequences" is why we went to war - and by "we," I include Canada. Yes Canada did go to war in Afghanistan. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dre Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Oh really? How was the average Vancouver anarchist hurt by Dick Cheney? Tell them to get jobs? No people around the world just generally hate his guts because he helped disseminate lies and propoganda that got a whole lot of people killed. Like I said... you can whine about it all you want, but people who are extremely unpopular have a hard time in public. Its human nature. No different than Nickleback getting booed off stage, really. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 No people around the world just generally hate his guts because he helped disseminate lies and propoganda that got a whole lot of people killed. Like I said... you can whine about it all you want, but people who are extremely unpopular have a hard time in public. Its human nature. No different than Nickleback getting booed off stage, really. Those idiots would 'protest' if their welfare cheques were late. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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