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[WWWTT]

No matter how you try to spin it, you're just going to have to stop qualifying it with "the most" and live with it.

It's been repeated over and over ad naseum now that this is a qualification that you, nor the several other Canadians agreeing with you and insulting bc and me, cannot make. It's been pointed out to you time and again why. Your need to believe otherwise does nothing to change the reality.

This comment makes no sence???

I thought you and B_C were trying to spin this argument away from the poll coming out of the US favouring Canada.

Well B_C anyways

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[Guest American Woman]

AW, I like you. You seem like a good person, a smart person. But for some reason when you get into certain debates (like this one) with Canadian posters having opinions on the US that make you feel slighted because of your nationalistic pride, logic seems to fly out the window with you and it's impossible to have a fair, rational debate with you.

Are you serious here?? How is the U.S. being slighted in either case - whether Canada is "most important" to the U.S. or not? I've made very "logical" arguments and have been quite fair and rational. If you cannot recognize that, you are the one with the problem. Just because I'm not agreeing that Canada is "most important" does not make me irrational. Quite frankly, I've been a helluva lot more "rational" than those insisting that Canada is most important. I feel I've been quite "fair" and can just imagine the responses I'd be getting from those in this thread if I were insisting to know - disregarding what Canadians think - what's most important to Canada/Canadians.

Unbelievable, really.

You get your back up and get all butt-hurt.

Have you even read this thread?? I'm not "butt-hurt" in the least; it's the Canadians who feel the need to hold the position of "most important" who are "all butt-hurt." You want to make this personal? About my feelings/emotions on the issue? I've been refraining from saying it, but since you brought it up with your so off-the-wall analysis of my reaction, here's what I think: I think the need to believe Canada is "most" important to the U.S, "more" important than any other country in the world, is pathetic. I think the mindset is in the line of the small fry who needs to believe he's the BFF of the Big Man on Campus.

I have all have all kinds of respect and admiration for Canada and believe that our countries share a unique situation, but I do not have the need to believe the U.S. is "the most important country" to Canada, and if Canadians said we weren't, I wouldn't argue with them, trying to say what I, as an American, think is "most important."

I've given examples of why other nations are "just as important," but y'all refuse to acknowledge it - and then insult me. I shake my head in bewilderment of it all.

Looking at the threads in the "US Politics" forum, if I were an American maybe I'd be reacting the same, dunno. It's just hard to debate you on US political matters because you make it all "American vs Canadian". I tried to make my previous post as respectful and analytical as I could, it still didn't work.

This is about the U.S. - of course what Americans perceive as "important" vs what Canadians perceive as important is going to be an issue. You honestly can't see that??

I'd debate you on this but it's just going to go in circles, so let's just agree to disagree.

There's nothing to "debate;" you can keep providing statistics, but that's not conclusive to the claim. It's a subjective claim that Canadians are trying to make about the US, and that's what's ridiculous, when it comes right down to it.

Wa??? Again, I think I'm very fair on the US. I criticize them when they deserve it, I also praise them and have several times on here argued how the US is under-appreciated, especially as the global hegemon. I posted a thread last week titled "This is why America is great" for crying out loud! Can't win with you.

Your insistence that "the US asked for it," "asked for" the murder of thousands of civilians, says it all, imo - and now you want to insist that your country is "most important" to us? I see that as quite hypocritical at best.

[WWWTT]

Americans determine what's most important to the US; you don't get to determine the value of the stats provided. I'll repeat for you one more time - Americans have different criteria in some regards as to what's "most important," and only Americans get to determine that.

I believe the poll said that 96% of Americans like Canadians or Canada?Am I wrong?

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[Guest American Woman]

This comment makes no sence???

I thought you and B_C were trying to spin this argument away from the poll coming out of the US favouring Canada.

Well B_C anyway

No one is arguing the results of the poll - which is about regard for Canada, not the "importance" of Canada.

Yes, as I've often said, Americans have the highest regard for Canada/Canadians. As I've said repeatedly, there is no where else I'd rather live if I couldn't live in the U.S., but that's a separate issue from whether or not Canada is the "most important" country to the U.S.

B_C and I haven't even said that there is any other country that is "most important," "more important" than Canada; in fact, we've said the opposite. We have said that there is no country that is more important - but no country holds the "most important" spot; there is no such spot.

Edited February 19, 2012 by American Woman

[WWWTT]

No one is arguing the results of the poll - which is about regard for Canada, not the "importance" of Canada.

Its fine you feel that way,but I prefer bush_cheney2004 speek for himself.

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[GostHacked]

AW, I like you. You seem like a good person, a smart person. But for some reason when you get into certain debates (like this one) with Canadian posters having opinions on the US that make you feel slighted because of your nationalistic pride, logic seems to fly out the window with you and it's impossible to have a fair, rational debate with you. You get your back up and get all butt-hurt. Looking at the threads in the "US Politics" forum, if I were an American maybe I'd be reacting the same, dunno. It's just hard to debate you on US political matters because you make it all "American vs Canadian". I tried to make my previous post as respectful and analytical as I could, it still didn't work.

Are you serious here?? How is the U.S. being slighted in either case - whether Canada is "most important" to the U.S. or not? I've made very "logical" arguments and have been quite fair and rational. If you cannot recognize that, you are the one with the problem. Just because I'm not agreeing that Canada is "most important" does not make me irrational. Quite frankly, I've been a helluva lot more "rational" than those insisting that Canada is most important. I feel I've been quite "fair" and can just imagine the responses I'd be getting from those in this thread if I were insisting to know - disregarding what Canadians think - what's most important to Canada/Canadians.

I think you proved MG's post correct. And I said before, you make arguments where there really is none. Flipping people off because you don't like their stated opinion .. OPINION, which you seem to take as a fact or as a generalization as to what a group thinks about a certain topic. It's almost like your reading comprehension has hit the floor. Take time to read the posts and understand them. Stop being so reactionary. Although it does make for good entertainment in my view (but that's just MY OPINION)

[waldo]

No one is arguing the results of the poll - which is about regard for Canada, not the "importance" of Canada.

wow! Whatever the OP poll, any single poll, is worth... this poll, as a long standing, multiple decade+, year-to-year Gallup poll, is more representative than most - it actually trends the same question focused on the percentage of Americans with a "favourable view" of Canada.

so, the thread shifts away from the OP; a thread results with you beating down on the distinction between "favourable" and "most"... with a bonus from BC2004 stating, "most Americans don't think about Canada, at all". Apparently, with your presence on MLW, you/he are working to offset the suggestion that, "most Americans" don't think about Canada!

but it gets better! When a stat focused on U.S. international trade surfaces, showing Canada as the single country with the largest import/export trade dollar-value relationship, suddenly that's discounted because the collective EU does minimally more trade with the U.S as compared to the single country Canada. Wow - way to reach!

in any case, since you're championing the cause on speaking for the right of "most Americans" to uniquely qualify their own "most important" designation, to you, in your view, what is the single most important country to the U.S.? Pick one country - just one country... feel free to add your own qualifications in choosing that one country - just one country.

[Guest American Woman]

wow! Whatever the OP poll, any single poll, is worth... this poll, as a long standing, multiple decade+, year-to-year Gallup poll, is more representative than most - it actually trends the same question focused on the percentage of Americans with a "favourable view" of Canada.

so, the thread shifts away from the OP; a thread results with you beating down on the distinction between "favourable" and "most"... with a bonus from BC2004 stating, "most Americans don't think about Canada, at all". Apparently, with your presence on MLW, you/he are working to offset the suggestion that, "most Americans" don't think about Canada!

but it gets better! When a stat focused on U.S. international trade surfaces, showing Canada as the single country with the largest import/export trade dollar-value relationship, suddenly that's discounted because the collective EU does minimally more trade with the U.S as compared to the single country Canada. Wow - way to reach!

You do realize you quoted me - and then proceeded to comment on what b_c has said - as if it were me who had said it - right??

in any case, since you're championing the cause on speaking for the right of "most Americans" to uniquely qualify their own "most important" designation, to you, in your view, what is the single most important country to the U.S.? Pick one country - just one country... feel free to add your own qualifications in choosing that one country - just one country.

What part of THERE IS NO COUNTRY THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT don't you understand?

[Wild Bill]

You do realize you quoted me - and then proceeded to comment on what b_c has said - as if it were me who had said it - right??

What part of THERE IS NO COUNTRY THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT don't you understand?

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I have seen in a long while, AW!

I must apologize for some of my Canadian brethren. They seem to believe that we must both wake up every morning with thoughts of love for each other. When we meet in airports we should have huge and spontaneous group hugs!

That's just not real life! We all have enough on our plate every day just trying to cope with the demands of life to spend much time worrying about how much our countries love each other.

Most of the time, it's just not relevant to our daily lives! However, on those occasions when it IS relevant, both peoples have shown repeatedly throughout our shared history the respect and affection we have for each other.

In two World Wars, we fought together. America supplied more than enough men and materiel to tip the balance. Canadian corvettes and frigates guarded American convoys from U-boats.

Later, during the 9/1/11 crisis, the ordinary citizens of Gander, Newfoundland took stranded American people into their homes, providing beds, food, showers and laundry facilities for those who's planes had been grounded during that emergency.

No one cared about "love-in" polls at those times. Or tallied the economic factors. We simply pulled together with like-minded people whose values we shared and respected.

That is essentially all that's involved. That is also more than enough to matter!

[Guest American Woman]

Well said, WB - my sentiments exactly! As I've said, I believe, as many do, that the relationship our countries share is unique in this world. This poll shows - repeatedly - the respect and regard that Americans have for Canada/Canadians - which says a lot, imo.

[waldo]

You do realize you quoted me - and then proceeded to comment on what b_c has said - as if it were me who had said it - right??

nonsense - I fully qualified the BC2004 quote.

What part of THERE IS NO COUNTRY THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT don't you understand?

the one that has you chastizing MLW members for offering opinion on "most important", the one that has you adamant that only Americans get to decide, "what's "most important", and only Americans get to determine that." The one that has you rejecting the opinion of others.

Americans have different criteria in some regards as to what's "most important," and only Americans get to determine that.

and... now... the one that allows me to highlight your opinion, is nothing more than your opinion... an opinion as easily rejected, as the opinion you so easily reject.

[waldo]

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I have seen in a long while, AW!

I must apologize for some of my Canadian brethren. They seem to believe that we must both wake up every morning with thoughts of love for each other.

it's just another thread, par for the course, where we have the usual suspect arguing, for the sake of arguing - nothing more, nothing less. I ignored this thread earlier and just now jumped in at this late date, cause... I couldn't help myself!

in any case, I reject your opinion that "love" is included in AW's unqualified opinion list of "most important" criteria.

about that OP poll and favourable country ranking... you know, the poll that reflects upon the stated opinion that, "most Americans don't think of Canada, at all."

[Moonlight Graham]

This thread.

I'm done with it.

[olpfan1]

Well said, WB - my sentiments exactly! As I've said, I believe, as many do, that the relationship our countries share is unique in this world. This poll shows - repeatedly - the respect and regard that Americans have for Canada/Canadians - which says a lot, imo.

i doubt our relationship is much different than new zealand/ australia, sweden/finland among other border countries

[bush_cheney2004]

...so, the thread shifts away from the OP; a thread results with you beating down on the distinction between "favourable" and "most"... with a bonus from BC2004 stating, "most Americans don't think about Canada, at all". Apparently, with your presence on MLW, you/he are working to offset the suggestion that, "most Americans" don't think about Canada!

Correct...we do our part to keep you from slashing your wrists over such a lack of 'Merkin attention, even if mine often be in mocking tone and intent. But have no fear...America will continue to provide you with all the climate data and bureau acronyms you can eat.

[bush_cheney2004]

i doubt our relationship is much different than new zealand/ australia, sweden/finland among other border countries

Probably not, but some Canadians go that extra mile kilometer just to be loved. 'Cause we all know that you're nobody 'til somebody loves you thinks you're most important:

Edited February 19, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[WWWTT]

Correct...we do our part to keep you from slashing your wrists over such a lack of 'Merkin attention, even if mine often be in mocking tone and intent. But have no fear...America will continue to provide you with all the climate data and bureau acronyms you can eat.

This quote is so over the top it doesn't even make any sence?!?

You seem kind of desperate to keep some kind of argument going about Canada being an inferior country compared to the US.

Very distant from the original thread.

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[bush_cheney2004]

This quote is so over the top it doesn't even make any sence?!?

That's "sense" to me....see...we Americans mix it up just to be different from you, even if you are the most important country in the entire galaxy.

You seem kind of desperate to keep some kind of argument going about Canada being an inferior country compared to the US.

Nobody said that Canada was "inferior'....that's an entirely different thread!

Very distant from the original thread.

You mean like this:

[dre]

:lol:

[waldo]

...we do our part to keep you from slashing your wrists over such a lack of 'Merkin attention, even if mine often be in mocking tone and intent. But have no fear...America will continue to provide you with all the climate data and bureau acronyms you can eat.

just a