Topaz Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 The NDP has brought forward a private members bill, to allow 16 years old allow to vote in elections, do you agree? My view is 16 years olds brains are still developing and some of the decisions they make aren't the right ones. Of course, one can always say the same to some of the results of elections of the past! I'm not sure if they even know who their MP or MPP's are or what is a MP or MPP. I like to see a surprise test in schools just to see how much they do know about governments at the three levels. Quote
PIK Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Actually it should be raised. Kids have no idea and can be easly swayed by the NPD's eutopia world BS to vote for them. This is all about using children to get power. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 do you agree? Only if there are vast improvements in civics education across this country. Quote
Guest Manny Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Kids have no idea and can be easly swayed... Most voters. Quote
Shwa Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 The NDP has brought forward a private members bill, to allow 16 years old allow to vote in elections, do you agree? No. Quote
wyly Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Most voters. you beat me to it...really many of the adult members of this forum have no clue, clueless 16yr old's would only cancel out the clueless mature adults... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Only if there are vast improvements in civics education across this country. I'd bet there are few members on this forum that would graduate from high school if they had to retake the exams right now, many would hard pressed to do better then "are you smarter than a 5th grader"... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) No. In Agreement. On a side, can we also strip voting rights from people in Quebec of all ages? Edited November 30, 2011 by Boges Quote
punked Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 It is their future we are stealing so why shouldn't they get a say? Oh PIK has pointed out why they might not vote the way he wants. Conservatives don't even pretend anymore that they want to live in a democracy they want to live in a country where only people they would vote for get a vote. Quote
wyly Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 It is their future we are stealing so why shouldn't they get a say? Oh PIK has pointed out why they might not vote the way he wants. Conservatives don't even pretend anymore that they want to live in a democracy they want to live in a country where only people they would vote for get a vote. fossils like pik live in fear of the younger generation, every generation being more progressive then the preceding one piks archaic view of the world will be gone in 20 yrs as his generation dies off.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
WWWTT Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 This is an excellent idea! Getting Canadians involved in democracy is a good thing for Canada!Good thing for democracy! All advantage and no disadvantage. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 The NDP has brought forward a private members bill, to allow 16 years old allow to vote in elections, do you agree? My view is 16 years olds brains are still developing and some of the decisions they make aren't the right ones. Of course, one can always say the same to some of the results of elections of the past! I'm not sure if they even know who their MP or MPP's are or what is a MP or MPP. I like to see a surprise test in schools just to see how much they do know about governments at the three levels. I think the voting age should be raised to 30. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Tilter Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 The NDP has brought forward a private members bill, to allow 16 years old allow to vote in elections, do you agree? My view is 16 years olds brains are still developing and some of the decisions they make aren't the right ones. Of course, one can always say the same to some of the results of elections of the past! I'm not sure if they even know who their MP or MPP's are or what is a MP or MPP. I like to see a surprise test in schools just to see how much they do know about governments at the three levels. I think that 12 year olds should get the vote ---- Most of them are in the type of dreamy haze that the NDPrs thrive on ---- nah--- make it 8 yrs old--- some of them believe in Santa and that aligns closely with the NDP's Fiscal policies. Quote
Guest Manny Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 If you can vote you can also run for a position in government. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Actually it should be raised. Kids have no idea and can be easly swayed by the NPD's eutopia world BS to vote for them. This is all about using children to get power. And capped at 50. As people get older and lose their marbles they vote conservative. We must be equitable in our ridiculous banter. Teen agers actually predict the outcome of elections. They mostly follow their parents view of what they've been indoctrinated to believe. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Hydraboss Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 I believe strongly that there should be alignment of age restrictions. If it's 18 to vote, then it should be 18 for the right to die for your country (military service), 18 to drink (tell me you should be able to die for your country but not have a beer), and 18 as the age of consent. If the consensus is 16 across the board, then so be it. The problem with fighting the young age is that people like me want the "young, murderous, terrorist bastard" Omar to swing from a rope (preferably the way Saddam did), but don't want the same little bastards voting. Can't have it both ways. I'd rather the little bastard swing. So let them vote. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
olp1fan Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 to vote you should at the very least be a high school graduate Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 No. Ditto. Me thinks the NDP are raising this because they would most benefit from it. Not like it would even matter much. 18-24 y/o Canadians vote in such miniscule numbers already. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Idiots graduate high school all of the time. Quote
Battletoads Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Eh, no worse than allowing the old folks with failing minds to vote. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
wyly Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 I believe strongly that there should be alignment of age restrictions. If it's 18 to vote, then it should be 18 for the right to die for your country (military service), 18 to drink (tell me you should be able to die for your country but not have a beer), and 18 as the age of consent. If the consensus is 16 across the board, then so be it. The problem with fighting the young age is that people like me want the "young, murderous, terrorist bastard" Omar to swing from a rope (preferably the way Saddam did), but don't want the same little bastards voting. Can't have it both ways. I'd rather the little bastard swing. So let them vote. yup, we disagree on omar but ya we allow them to marry at 16, they can still join the reserves at 16, we allow them to drive at 16 where they make life and death decisions every time they get behind the wheel, at 16 they're free to leave home and live on their own and they can't be forced to return home if don't want to...let them vote... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
eyeball Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Should 16 years old be allowed to vote? Excuse me but allowed to vote? Screw that, they should be forced. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
wyly Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 to vote you should at the very least be a high school graduate well I'd agree but that would unfairly exclude people from a time where finishing high school was really required...being a uni graduate should be a minimum requirement for being an MP... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Wild Bill Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Eh, no worse than allowing the old folks with failing minds to vote. True, but at least they have some life experience, even if they don't always remember it clearly! Scientific studies have shown that the adolescent brain is not fully developed. It has more difficulty with cause and effect and envisioning future consequences of actions. This is why many young people can appear more rash than their innate intelligence would suggest. Sadly, it is also why they make such good soldiers. They tend not to fully grasp that THEY may die! At least until the shells start hammering, of course. When we are younger we are capable of absorbing new information more quickly. We just have poor filters! Our lack of brain development and life experience means that we tend to accept all such input as gospel. It takes another decade or so before we begin to develop a healthy skepticism. For this reason I would be against lowering the voting age. In fact, I think it should be restored to its former level of 21, with the exception of anyone in the military. If you're old enough to put your life on the line for your country you should be allowed to vote for its leadership. I agree with the point that this is just a naked power play by the NDP. Traditionally they tend to attract youth emotionally, by highlighting their idealism and humanity. They also tend to lose voters as they get older, as they tend to fare more poorly with practicality and pragmatism. They try to counteract this by attacking any criticism of flaws with their methods as being attacks on the nobility of their goals. Someone asking about any flaw in their approach is instantly branded as being 'mean-spirited' and generally 'not a nice person'. Their defense becomes ad hominem and somehow they never have to answer those awkward questions! Anyhow, I just don't think the average citizen is mature enough at 16 to make a considered choice. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
wyly Posted December 1, 2011 Report Posted December 1, 2011 Excuse me but allowed to vote? Screw that, they should be forced. then force everyone? Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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