olp1fan Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Didnt Harper make it so that it is treason for any Canadian who fires on our military or any of our allies military and our politicians? Its just odd cause would Harper not be helping treasoners fight their government in Libya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 How do you rebuild a country, well a civil war is being fought, without the military? NATO is the military, Canada's contribution to the NATO mission didn't necessarily have to be combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yea...it's just a coincidence that your prime minister paid a personal visit to Gadaffy in an effort to secure oil contracts for Canadian firms, the same firms that had to evacuate employees when the shootin' started. Say it isn't so... Pro-Gaddafi report resulted from privately-funded Canadian fact-finding mission SNC-Lavalin, the Montreal engineering and construction firm, which has several large contracts in Libya, acknowledged last week it had hired Vanier Consulting to report on the findings of its Libya mission but it is unclear whether other financiers also bankrolled the mission.“This is a very interesting case which we urge the Canadian public and government to explore,” the Canada Libya Council said in a statement. “These cases are critical in Canada’s future involvement with Libya, particularly the corporation’s future investments in the country.” SNC-Lavalin, bringing Canadian values to the world since 1911. Thank God we sold AECL to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 So Canada went in to ensure ITALY'S supply of oil? Absolutely! But not just Italy,there is also southern Europe,the European union and the geographical region as a whole. Stability is very important! And at some point it must have bein determined that western intervention was inevitable to maintain the stability. I'm sure there was a risk factor determined,someone at some time calculated those risks. The same anomaly is happening right now with Yemen and Syria. I'm sure someone somewhere and somehow is calculating all the possible outcomes and has determined the risk. Take oil exports out of the picture and then add Iranian influence and bingo,suprise suprise. Risk becomes too great for too little reward. Did you really believe human rights trumps economic stability? Ya right! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 NATO is the military, Canada's contribution to the NATO mission didn't necessarily have to be combat. Well we’re part of the alliance, and started in a military role (Which the NDP supported initially), so we should be prepared to finish it….. They’d have us pull out during the conflict….Like the cliché, you break it, you buy it….As much as it pains me to say, I can respect both the Liberals and the Green Party for their stances….One of continued support and the other constant opposition……The NDP’s stance smells of political opportunism….. An interesting question, would be if the NDP would support a UN backed, NATO led, operation in Syria or Iran…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The entire event was a bit over the top...Yes it is nice to be recongized ,a beer is nice, but not with parades and balloons.... NATO is the military, Canada's contribution to the NATO mission didn't necessarily have to be combat. No your right it did not have to be a combat role, which before Afghanistan thats all of what we did, all the NON Combat stuff....left all the hard stuff for everyone else...want a seat at the table you have to be willing to risk a piece of your ass.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's one thing to honour soldiers, which is fine. It's quite another thing to celebrate a military "victory"...The Harper gov also used its favorite military props for the celebration, having some jets do a flyover on Parliament Hill. I personally attended the Remembrance Day ceremonies on the Hill a couple of weeks ago and that too featured a flyover of jets and helicopters (& 21-gun salute). I guess the Harper gov got a kick out it, like a kid playing with his favorite toys. It was a strange occurrence; not quite unprecedented (the victorious men and women who served in the Second World War were given celebratory fetes all over the country after the cessation of hostilities), yet, it was conspicuously overblown for such a short conflict. Why not a more subdued event at Rideau Hall, where honours from the Crown are normally distributed? Regardless; flypasts are regular features of large public events, both related to the military and not; Canada Day, fleet reviews, jubilees, Remembrance Day. Ditto for gun salutes; they're accorded to various important figures at almost any official event as a matter of protocol, the number of guns fired dependant on the rank of the person being honoured. The gun salute mounted last Thursday was for the Governor General; he and the sovereign receive 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilter Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Naaa, we should have given the military the usual shaft that they've gotten over the last 40 years just to show them how much the Canadian public thinks of their effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Oh, and I don't really see the big deal with the ceremony. Similar ceremonies have happened before, and will happen again (even if they weren't exactly the same in the past). it was pure political propaganda, dear leader mugging for the media associating himself with military might...the roman generals did the same as did napoleon, hitler, Mussolini...over the top patriotism/nationalism...history has seen this combination of military pageantry and political propaganda play out many times before, it never leads to anything good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 it was pure political propaganda, dear leader mugging for the media associating himself with military might... were there any 'Mission Accomplished' banners? Suggestion coming forward that Harper had recently undergone his own like fitting and it didn't appear at the 'victory event' only because he was worried about size perceptions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 No your right it did not have to be a combat role, which before Afghanistan thats all of what we did, all the NON Combat stuff....left all the hard stuff for everyone else...want a seat at the table you have to be willing to risk a piece of your ass.. Really Army guy? Another instance where you don't know Canadian military history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) I heard they had a military victory ceremony during the grey cup too and that most people were disgusted by it Does Harper expect us to all of a sudden become nationalistic? Edited November 29, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I heard they had a military victory ceremony during the grey cup too and that most people were disgusted by itDoes Harper expect us to all of a sudden become nationalistic? Is the Grey Cup a federal government event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 SHWA: Really Army guy? Another instance where you don't know Canadian military history? Please fill me in then ? Since korea were have we split our blood in a military adventure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 No one knew in March that things were going to be this bad...but I maintain that it's unlikely that Canada's role in Libya (I'm not talking about the UK and France) had little if anything to do with oil. Canada had oil companies there and they all left until the war was over, IF it wasn't about oil, why were Canadian companies there in the first place , after all we have the oil sands? The oil coming out of Libya, is sweet and can easily made into gas. the France, Italy, England,Canada and the US were going to be the countries most hurt economy by the changes that Libya to its oil industry.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FVqEe6-7TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 No your right it did not have to be a combat role, which before Afghanistan thats all of what we did, all the NON Combat stuff....left all the hard stuff for everyone else...want a seat at the table you have to be willing to risk a piece of your ass.. and what hard stuff did we miss out on?...I must have been asleep for a decade or two and missed it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 and what hard stuff did we miss out on?...I must have been asleep for a decade or two and missed it.... Guess so, here is a small list of conflicts that Britian has been involved with. And while it may be true we have been involved in some of these take a look at our contributions and military size at the time, and ask your self did we pull our wieght. India, Palestine, Malaya, Korea, Suez Canal Zone, Kenya, Cyprus, Suez 1956, Borneo, Vietnam, Aden, Radfan, Oman, Dhofar, Northern Ireland, the Falklands War, the Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo, Take a look at our present defense pacts and take a look at how much we pay or how much we give up...do we pull our wieght not in my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be real Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Oh, and I don't really see the big deal with the ceremony. Similar ceremonies have happened before, and will happen again (even if they weren't exactly the same in the past). Military ceremony and thanking our service people yes we all agree it is good. That was complete political propoganda serving the Harper Conservitive Government, not the government for all Canadians. There is nothing noble or victorious about war. It is a failure of globel society. Just because none of us died doesn't make killing acceptable. Sometimes we will fail, hopefully we will learn from our mistakes. I was disgusted to see our military used in political propaganda, but this seems to be Harper's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be real Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Naaa, we should have given the military the usual shaft that they've gotten over the last 40 years just to show them how much the Canadian public thinks of their effort. Or our leaders could be honest with us and tell the nation about the energy concerns of other nato nations. Then they can explain why this mission took place and why others won't. It was a safer bet than Syria or Yemen and it still has oil. Sweet light crude dude, the best in a world addicted to oil energy. This said they did a fantastic job on there mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Is the Grey Cup a federal government event? no???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Or our leaders could be honest with us and tell the nation about the energy concerns of other nato nations. Then they can explain why this mission took place and why others won't. It was a safer bet than Syria or Yemen and it still has oil. Sweet light crude dude, the best in a world addicted to oil energy. This said they did a fantastic job on there mission. They sure did, bye bye gadhaffi!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 So Canada went in to ensure ITALY'S supply of oil? Italian & other some other European oil companies benefit most, but Italy's supply is the world's supply. Canada may or may not use Libya's oil directly, but access to more oil drives the price down for everyone. That said, oil wasn't the only reason Canada went in. They are a part of NATO, and Harper gets boners when he gets to drop bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hey Canada, enjoy your increasingly militarized state. It's going to be a long 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 it was pure political propaganda, dear leader mugging for the media associating himself with military might...the roman generals did the same as did napoleon, hitler, Mussolini...over the top patriotism/nationalism...history has seen this combination of military pageantry and political propaganda play out many times before, it never leads to anything good... Propaganda directed towards whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I heard they had a military victory ceremony during the grey cup too and that most people were disgusted by it Does Harper expect us to all of a sudden become nationalistic? Who’s most people? Is a military, RCMP, Provincial & municipal police/fire/paramedic honour guard any more “disgusting” at a hockey game? What about the Police Officer that sings/sung the national anthem prior to Ottawa Senators games? He seemed to get a warm response……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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