kimmy Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Posted September 14, 2012 You better pray, kimmy, you better pray, cuz they're not gonna give up one more inch. NOT ONE MORE INCH!!!! oh no! When the bible is outlawed... When the cross is an offense... When Christmas is a crime... Each Person can make a difference. When Rights are being destroyed... Faith provides the courage to take a stand. Freedom has a price. Are you willing to pay it? Pray And Stand up Before it's Too Late! Paul Bob Revere, riding across Boston America on his horse Harley to warn the patriots that the English atheists are coming. Sounds thrilling! The Bible outlawed! The cross an offense! Christmas a crime! I don't think I've ever seen Christian persecution fantasies ever expressed so vividly. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
betsy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Posted September 14, 2012 This is like pep-talk Walmart-style. Rah! Rah! Rah! Okay....to each his own. I'll leave you guys at your morale-boosting moment. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 14, 2012 Report Posted September 14, 2012 Are Christians in the West so spoiled that they think respect for others is persecution now? Do they know what real persecution even looks like? Quote
BubberMiley Posted September 14, 2012 Report Posted September 14, 2012 Are Christians in the West so spoiled that they think respect for others is persecution now? Do they know what real persecution even looks like? Or the "lion's share" of what Jesus actually preached? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
msj Posted September 14, 2012 Report Posted September 14, 2012 Looks like closer to home we have some more Christians complaining about their loss of privilege: Church Leaders in Toronto Upset at Having to Pay Fair Price for Rental Space One example: Raising the cost for community groups to rent out school space. Not only is the price going up, there’s been an overhaul of the categories (PDF) indicating which groups get cheaper (subsidized) rates.... Did you catch that bit at the end? Turns out religious groups aren’t getting special treatment anymore. In fact, they’ll have to pay the same rate as, say, adult sports leagues who want to rent out the gym. As you might predict, Christian leaders in the area aren’t handling this news very well Hmmm, with gays moving towards equality (moving on up) and Christians moving towards equality (moving on down as they lose their special privileges) it's no wonder they whine so much. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
kimmy Posted September 22, 2012 Author Report Posted September 22, 2012 Todd Starnes, head of the Christians Acting Like Victims department at Fox News, has looked at the response to the "Innocence of Muslims" video, and ask why not charge the creators of South Park with blasphemy. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
GostHacked Posted September 22, 2012 Report Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) Todd Starnes, head of the Christians Acting Like Victims department at Fox News, has looked at the response to the "Innocence of Muslims" video, and ask why not charge the creators of South Park with blasphemy. -k If anything South Park could be considered more anti-jewish. I am a huge fan of South Park, and they are equal opportunists when it comes to bashing religion. Christians, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Islam .. even Scientology has had their spotlight on the show. Edited September 22, 2012 by GostHacked Quote
kimmy Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Posted October 11, 2012 Several times in this thread, I've posted about Republicans who are fighting back against the President's "War On Religion". Arkansas state representative Loy Mauch has become the latest Republican to take a stand against President Lincoln's war against Chri-- wait-- Lincoln? ...well, yes. Rep. Mauch is still damned upset about the War Of Northern Aggression, or "the Civil War", as us foreigners call it. The Arkansas Times, possibly prompted by a couple of other outrageous comments from Arkansas Republicans, went looking through Mauch's past letters to the editor, and came up with some of his greatest hits. Highlights include: If slavery were so God-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn't there a war before 1861?The South has always stood by the Constitution and limited government. When one attacks the Confederate Battle Flag, he is certainly denouncing these principles of government as well as Christianity. Nowhere in the Holy Bible have I found a word of condemnation for the operation of slavery, Old or New Testament. If slavery was so bad, why didn't Jesus, Paul or the prophets say something?This country already lionizes Wehrmacht leaders. They go by the names of Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Custer, etc. These Marxists not only destroyed the Constitution they were sworn to uphold, but apostatized the word of God. Either these depraved infidels or the Constitution and Scriptures are in error. I'm more persuaded by the word of God. I'm very proud my ancestors stood up to Northern aggression. The Confederate flag to me is not only a symbol of our brief period of independence and our loyalty to the 1789 Constitution, but also a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order. What else is there to say about that? The two other Arkansas Republicans in the news recently: Charles Fuqua wants parents to have the authority to have their unruly children put to death, because it says so in Deuteronomy 21:18-21. and Jon Hubbard says that slavery was actually good for blacks because getting into the greatest country on earth as a slave was better than life in sub-Saharan Africa. Hubbard also says that desegregation of schools is turning white-kids dumb, and compares Christians who accept desegretation to Germans who stood idly by as Hitler rose to power. What is going on in Arkansas?! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bleeding heart Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 Wow. What the hell? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Shakeyhands Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 This is like pep-talk Walmart-style. Rah! Rah! Rah! Okay....to each his own. I'll leave you guys at your morale-boosting moment. Betsy, THESE are your people! I'd think that you would want to defend them and explain to us their motivations through slick use of bible quotes and semantics. I am disappoint. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
kimmy Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Posted October 28, 2012 We momentarily break from Persecuted Christians in America to take a look at... Non-persecuted Christians in America! Recently a church in Texas made headlines by posting a sign out front that read "Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim! Vote for the capitalist, not the communist!" Aside from spreading inaccuracies about the President, this was controversial primarily because churches are not supposed to endorse political candidates. It's a violation of the tax code and can cost them their tax exempt status. In theory, at least. But not in practice. As it turns out, a rule put in place in 1984 requires that audits of churches must be initiated by a regional director. But in 1996, the IRS was reorganized in a way that eliminates the position of regional director. A 2009 court challenge threw out an audit of a church because the audit was not initiated by someone with appropriate authority. As a result the IRS has been unable to initiate any audit of churches since then because they have no policy on who is actually able to initiate an audit of a church. So, clearly, campaign away, pastors! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Sleipnir Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Remember the reason for the season! Because if you're celebrating Yuletide without the Yulfuor, you've just got ... tide. -k You celebrate the Norse mythology? Because that's where yule comes from. Edited October 29, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Bonam Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 You celebrate the Norse mythology? Because that's where yule comes from. Norse mythology is a heck of a lot cooler than Christianity or Islam. If you're gonna worship something might as well be something interesting. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Discuss… Edited November 8, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
The_Squid Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/YV1Em.jpg Discuss… Batshit crazy and not even worthy of serious discussion as that would lend this nut bar, and his comments, some iota of validity. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Discuss… http://www.notso.com/rtwords.htm This quote is from 1993... "Democratic congress" is the giveaway. I noticed it also because these guys just aren't as relevant anymore, they're not quoted in the way they once were. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
msj Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 I noticed it also because these guys just aren't as relevant anymore, they're not quoted in the way they once were. So, you're saying that our persecution of Christians is successful? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Mighty AC Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 I think many Christians define persecution as the slow but inevitable decline in political power. The education system is placing greater emphasis on critical thinking, fewer children are being indoctrinated and the cocoon that protects religion from rational discussion and criticism is being eroded. I expect the fall from privileged status to equality among other belief systems will hasten going forward. Great tagline MSJ! Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 I do believe that people generalize about religious people and put them all in the same boat, which isn't fair. Basically they are getting the same treatment other minorities have received. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mighty AC Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'the same treatment'? We generalize based on the public face put on many identifiable groups. For example, people generalize about teachers based on the image presented by union leaders. Many teachers disagree with the union position, but that is what the public sees. Similarly vocal religious leaders/spokesmen and media outlets like Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Ray Comfort, etc have become the ones defining the Christian perspective. Edited November 8, 2012 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'the same treatment'? They're being pigeonholed, and marginalized generally. If you don't know religious people, it's easier to do that I suppose. Debating caricatures doesn't seem to be a useful way to spend ones time. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2012 Report Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) How are Christians marginalized in North America exactly? Edited November 8, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
bleeding heart Posted November 11, 2012 Report Posted November 11, 2012 I do believe that people generalize about religious people and put them all in the same boat, which isn't fair. Basically they are getting the same treatment other minorities have received. They're not a minority. And of the two groups, my understanding is that it's atheists who cannot hope to get elected. Mind you--to clarify--I don't feel that atheists are "persecuted." But the notion that Christians are persecuted is preposterous. It's saying that the majority of North Americans, including practically every single person with political power, is being "persecuted" by non-believers! It's a jaw-dropper, truly. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Michael Hardner Posted November 11, 2012 Report Posted November 11, 2012 They're not a minority. I Googled 21% of Canadians attend weekly religious service. And of the two groups, my understanding is that it's atheists who cannot hope to get elected. Mind you--to clarify--I don't feel that atheists are "persecuted." Saying that religious people are discriminated against doesn't proceed logically to saying atheists aren't, so I don't get your point. But the notion that Christians are persecuted is preposterous. It's saying that the majority of North Americans, including practically every single person with political power, is being "persecuted" by non-believers! There are examples of communities where certain types of religious expression are not understood or really welcomed. Do you really think it's not so ? If you agree, then you can understand how discrimination, prejudice and so on could happen. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bleeding heart Posted November 11, 2012 Report Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) I Googled 21% of Canadians attend weekly religious service. But I think the number who self-label as religious is a majority. Saying that religious people are discriminated against doesn't proceed logically to saying atheists aren't, so I don't get your point. I assumed you were claiming that religious people are discriminated agaisnt by non-religious people...and I was wondering how that could logically be the case, since those with the power and wherewithal to discriminate in any meaningful way are themselves, by and large, religious people. There are examples of communities where certain types of religious expression are not understood or really welcomed. Do you really think it's not so ? If you agree, then you can understand how discrimination, prejudice and so on could happen. Oh, sure...religious people are often misunderstood or unwelcome...but that's by certain community majorities...themselves usually religious. Again, i had thought you were speaking of non-believers discriminating or persecuting believers. Edited November 11, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
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