US burn Koran, 14 killed in retaliation

[Wilber]

So you are saying that burning a Koran results in Muslims rioting and killing other innocent people. That it's a given. Burn a Koran, and people will die. Is that it? Have there been murders committed every time a Koran has been burned? If that's true, where do you think the fault lies?? Seriously.

If I did nothing illegal, and others reacted illegally out of their anger over it, I would not be expected to be taken to task over it, especially when it's perfectly acceptable to engage in the same behavior regarding a different group of people. So I would expect those who did the killing to be taken to task over it. By the same token, I don't blame movies or books or speeches or music lyrics for deaths. I blame those who do the killing. You keep ignoring my questions regarding flag burning, and of course it's obvious as to why. You are applying your standards to only one group of people, and to answer my questions would be to have to admit that to yourself.

I notice you didn't answer my question. It is a very simple one really.

[Oleg Bach]

Why does America believe that through freedom of speech you should be able to spit in a persons face with that speech and not expect to get punched in the face?

[bush_cheney2004]

Why does America believe that through freedom of speech you should be able to spit in a persons face with that speech and not expect to get punched in the face?

Because one of your fat ass kings told us we couldn't do it.

[Oleg Bach]

Because one of your fat ass kings told us we couldn't do it.

Why do I suddenly feel like your dad..."B C - stop that!.... " Just like my youngest son...I have a video of him attempting to stoke the wood stove when he was a toddler...my mother attempts to restrain the babe....and he says to her "but I want too"..

This jerk with the big stash was asked to explain himself...as to if his sensational burning of a book might have been a bad idea. He goes on about educating Islamic on the concept of free speech and expression...What a hypocrite and nit wit. First he is negative and burns the book -then he suddenly becomes fatherly and wants to help those he hates - so which one is it - burn or help?

[bush_cheney2004]

...What a hypocrite and nit wit. First he is negative and burns the book -then he suddenly becomes fatherly and wants to help those he hates - so which one is it - burn or help?

...definitely burn.

[Guest American Woman]

Why do I suddenly feel like your dad..."B C - stop that!.... " Just like my youngest son...I have a video of him attempting to stoke the wood stove when he was a toddler...my mother attempts to restrain the babe....and he says to her "but I want too"..

This jerk with the big stash was asked to explain himself...as to if his sensational burning of a book might have been a bad idea. He goes on about educating Islamic on the concept of free speech and expression...What a hypocrite and nit wit. First he is negative and burns the book -then he suddenly becomes fatherly and wants to help those he hates - so which one is it - burn or help?

Who cares?? It doesn't matter why he did it, it only matters that he had the right to do it and that those who reacted by rioting and killing are responsible for their own actions. "The devil made me do it" doesn't hold up in court.

[Oleg Bach]

That's a lot of crap - you know that the average person is stupid and can be enflamed and incited to violence...Look at the weapons of mass destruction scenario - thousands killed over a lie. If the situation was one of dealing with enlighted individuals on both sides then I would say it is fair to burn what ever you want - but there are sinister forces in action that take advantage of the naive and stupid masses...This Rev...is not a bright man - and he actually thought no one would get hurt...well this dumby was wrong and so are you. You do NOT - enflame the mob...simple as that. If I were dictator of the world - I would jail this Reverend along with those that manipulate Islamics into violence.,

[Oleg Bach]

Let's burn The Art Of War..that should short out Dick Cheney's pace maker.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... If I were dictator of the world - I would jail this Reverend along with those that manipulate Islamics into violence.,

...and if you were Dictator of the World....I would mock you and your holy book!

Edited April 4, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[Jack Weber]

That's a lot of crap - you know that the average person is stupid and can be enflamed and incited to violence...Look at the weapons of mass destruction scenario - thousands killed over a lie. If the situation was one of dealing with enlighted individuals on both sides then I would say it is fair to burn what ever you want - but there are sinister forces in action that take advantage of the naive and stupid masses...This Rev...is not a bright man - and he actually thought no one would get hurt...well this dumby was wrong and so are you. You do NOT - enflame the mob...simple as that. If I were dictator of the world - I would jail this Reverend along with those that manipulate Islamics into violence.,

While I agree that "The Good Reverend" is not the sharpest knife in the drawer...And I can imagine the collective IQ of his "flock" barely qualifying with the IQ of the average piece of furniture...

What does it say about the looney tunes Islamofascists half way across the world that they would get inflamed by this nut and shoot up the place and anyone they feel symbolically does'nt agree with them???

[Guest American Woman]

That's a lot of crap - you know that the average person is stupid and can be enflamed and incited to violence...Look at the weapons of mass destruction scenario - thousands killed over a lie. If the situation was one of dealing with enlighted individuals on both sides then I would say it is fair to burn what ever you want - but there are sinister forces in action that take advantage of the naive and stupid masses...This Rev...is not a bright man - and he actually thought no one would get hurt...well this dumby was wrong and so are you. You do NOT - enflame the mob...simple as that. If I were dictator of the world - I would jail this Reverend along with those that manipulate Islamics into violence.,

Ummm. No, I'm not wrong. It's a fact that the pastor had the right to burn the book and it's a fact that those who reacted by killing people are responsible for their own actions. Stupidity isn't a defense in a court of law any more than 'the devil made me do it.' I guess, though, that we can only thank God that you aren't dictator of the world.

[DogOnPorch]

What does it say about the looney tunes Islamofascists half way across the world that they would get inflamed by this nut and shoot up the place and anyone they feel symbolically does'nt agree with them???

Poor dinner guests?

[Oleg Bach]

While I agree that "The Good Reverend" is not the sharpest knife in the drawer...And I can imagine the collective IQ of his "flock" barely qualifying with the IQ of the average piece of furniture...

What does it say about the looney tunes Islamofascists half way across the world that they would get inflamed by this nut and shoot up the place and anyone they feel symbolically does'nt agree with them???

They are exactly the same mind set. BUT it is not illegal to be stupid - in the Islamic world or in America. Nor is it illegal to be evil in both places. You can not pass a law that oppresses the stupid - neither here nor there...That is a problem in a free and totalitarian society. So it seems that perhaps a good and benevolent dictatorship might come in handy in both places. There would be an eventual problem....just as with corporations - once the founder dies the whole thing goes on animalistic auto-pilot. The founders of both faiths are long gone..with them is also gone the spirit.

[Shady]

Yeah, and here are some more places: Middle East Council of Churches

Here's a better example.

Punjab Governor Salman Taseer assassinated in Islamabad

The influential governor of Pakistan's Punjab province, Salman Taseer, has died after being shot by one of his bodyguards in the capital, Islamabad.

Mr Taseer, a senior member of the Pakistan People's Party, was shot when getting into his car at a market.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the guard had told police that he killed Mr Taseer because of the governor's opposition to Pakistan's blasphemy law.

Many were angered by his defence of a Christian woman sentenced to death.

Link

Pakistan militants assassinate Christian politician

Minister for minorities Shahbaz Bhatti was shot by men in shawls in broad daylight while he was travelling in a car near a market in the capital, Islamabad, police said.

Mr Bhatti was the second senior official this year to be assassinated for opposing the blasphemy law. Provincial governor Salman Taseer was shot dead by his own bodyguard in January.

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Christian accused of blasphemy dies in Pakistan jail

A Christian man accused of blasphemy has died in a Pakistani jail, reviving fears for the safety of minorities targeted under the country's blasphemy laws.

Authorities at the Karachi jail said Qamar David, 55, who was sentenced to life imprisonment last year for allegedly insulting the prophet Muhammad, died of a heart attack on Tuesday.

Link

Pakistan's only Christian minister killed

Shahbaz Bhatti was Pakistan’s Minister for Minorities and today he paid the price for belonging to the most despised Pakistani minority of all: Christians. He was shot dead in his car for the crime of campaigning to reform the country’s medieval blasphemy laws. Those laws are used to make life hell for Christians

Link

Some Christians in Pakistan convert fear into safety

At least 20 to 25 former Christians adopt Islam each week by pledging an oath and signing a green and white document in which they accept Islam as “the most beautiful religion” and promise to “remain in the religion of Islam for the rest of my life, acknowledging that blessings are only from God.”Link

[Oleg Bach]

In other words if Jesus or Mohamid were alive both would say - "Its the spirit of the law that is the law...it's just a god damned book for Christ's sake...or Mohamids sake! A book! That is like saying that when you burn a chruch to the ground you are killing God...These are infidels...to kill in the name of God is to plainly state that THE ALL MIGHTY is NOT almighty and needs assistance in the murdering of those that might harm God (book) - it's bullshit.

[Oleg Bach]

Here's a better example.

I find Islam to restrictive to be "beautiful". At least Jesus was smart about living in the material world and injesting material such as certain foods and alcohol..."It is not what goes into the mouth of the man that defiles him...for what he injests passes though the body and goes into the sewer - it is what comes from the heart and OUT of the man that defiles the man...to para phrase - This concept is spiritual - Judiac and Islamic ideas seem very material and NOT spiritual.

[Wilber]

Ummm. No, I'm not wrong. It's a fact that the pastor had the right to burn the book and it's a fact that those who reacted by killing people are responsible for their own actions. Stupidity isn't a defense in a court of law any more than 'the devil made me do it.' I guess, though, that we can only thank God that you aren't dictator of the world.

Who cares?? It doesn't matter why he did it, it only matters that he had the right to do it and that those who reacted by rioting and killing are responsible for their own actions. "The devil made me do it" doesn't hold up in court.

You are maintaining no one is responsible for the consequences of what they say or do, just because they have a right to say or do it. In other words F*** you, I have my rights.

[bush_cheney2004]

[Oleg Bach]

John Lennon was a suck still on the tit of his mother till the day he died - He also was a commie - when it came to tunes like "Imagine" - Not to mention he sent a few bucks it is said to arm the IRA...as for him being more popular that Jesus...he was not - the numbers talk for themselves - there were more Christians in existance world wide than Beatle fans. Besides I hate the Beatles they help kill Motown. So what's your point - that someone should have shot John Lennon for pretending he was Jesus...? By the time Lennon was killed he was over his days of dragging about that cumbersom messianic spirit.

[Jack Weber]

Poor dinner guests?

Well that's because they don't eat pork or ham...

What type of a culture does'nt like a good Cottage Roll??

Seriously???

[Oleg Bach]

Well that's because they don't eat pork or ham...

What type of a culture does'nt like a good Cottage Roll??

Seriously???

They love it. Some I am sure even like a glass of wine or ten on occasion...but it must be done on the sly like all good sinners.

[Jack Weber]

They are exactly the same mind set. BUT it is not illegal to be stupid - in the Islamic world or in America. Nor is it illegal to be evil in both places. You can not pass a law that oppresses the stupid - neither here nor there...That is a problem in a free and totalitarian society. So it seems that perhaps a good and benevolent dictatorship might come in handy in both places. There would be an eventual problem....just as with corporations - once the founder dies the whole thing goes on animalistic auto-pilot. The founders of both faiths are long gone..with them is also gone the spirit.

Actually,you can pass laws to get rid of the "mentally inferior"...See NAZI Germany and Eugenics laws...

In this case,the Islamofascists are quite NAZIesque,so I don't know where to go with that one...

[Oleg Bach]

Actually,you can pass laws to get rid of the "mentally inferior"...See NAZI Germany and Eugenics laws...

In this case,the Islamofascists are quite NAZIesque,so I don't know where to go with that one...

If we did that 90% of the people would have to go. What ever happened to the idea that a societies greatness is judges by how well they treat their weakest members? Look at the film footage of the enraged so-called Muslims - these are not university professors or doctors. There should be laws agaist the incietment to riot..which there are but they are not enforce here or there...seems we have similar problems as the Islamics. We do not shut down our trouble makers - nor do they.

[Oleg Bach]

Maybe both sides have slowly evolved into a system where trouble is a neccesity for the survival of a few paristes?

[Guest American Woman]

You are maintaining no one is responsible for the consequences of what they say or do, just because they have a right to say or do it. In other words F*** you, I have my rights.

What I'm saying, intending to say, is that unless the same principles are applied to all, we can't say it's "wrong" to do a particular thing. How can it be "wrong" to upset just one group of people because they violently over react? We should only consider the feelings of those who react by breaking the law and killing people? We should only give that consideration to one group of people?

We had thousands of Americans murdered on 9-11, yet when one American killed one Muslim in response, the reaction was 'it's not safe for Muslims on the streets of America.' Now one American burns a book and he's responsible for the killing done by others. It's the double standard that I find so unacceptable. That's really been my point all along and what my responses have been in regards to.

I do think there are times when people should take moral responsibility for their words and actions, specifically when their words and actions are directed at individual people, and are deliberately hurtful, such as bullying. I don't think this incident falls into the same category at all, especially since the people killed had nothing to do with anything. It's a case of "A" does something "B" doesn't like so "B" kills "C" and "A" must bear responsibility for it; "A" is definitely getting more criticism than "B", more negative press, and I find that bizarre.

I also find it at odds that people who criticize others for saying Islam isn't a religion of peace are saying that people should know that if they burn a Koran there will be rioting and killing as a result.

Edited April 5, 2011 by American Woman