ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Latest from Polltracker. Oh, my. The Liberals and NDP continue to climb while the Conservatives continue to drop. At this rate, could Harper's heroes come in 3rd? Liberals - 35.6 Conservatives - 30.4 NDP - 23.8 Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) What's wrong with making money?Nothing, so long as it's not because some politician tilted the playing field in your direction. Then it's like theft.Would you be OK (and if you say you would be, that's pure BS), if we hiked your income tax by 3%?I'd be a lot happier if they raised the GST and eliminated income taxes for the middle class on down. Edited October 15, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I'd be a lot happier if they raised the GST and eliminated income taxes for the middle class on down. How much would the GST be raised? Quote
eyeball Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 How much would the GST be raised?To the point at which it balanced with the income tax cut...to ordinary middle class workers.Tax the rich otherwise...every which way possible, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Nothing, so long as it's not because some politician tilted the playing field in your direction. Then it's like theft. I'd be a lot happier if they raised the GST and eliminated income taxes for the middle class on down. If you do that, you will hurt the poor who currently don't pay income taxes. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Very interesting interpretation by Professor Ian Lee on Charles Adler's new show on Sirius XM: https://soundcloud.com/canadatalks/charles-adler-interviews-ian-lee Summary? Quote
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Summary? The democratic electorate as a whole is smart. People are rejecting Harper and his social policy, as well as the things that they don't like, but not necessarily his fiscal policy. The Liberals, NDP, and Conservatives, when it comes down to it, have almost identical fiscal policies. Canadians as a whole (even if not as individuals) understand that and have seen through the claims of Trudeau not being ready. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 EKOS numbers showing Liberals and Conservatives neck and neck. LPC 33.5, CPC 32.6, NDP 22.9http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2015/10/marginally-significant-narrowing-of-liberal-lead/ Quote
eyeball Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 If you do that, you will hurt the poor who currently don't pay income taxes.Damn, I forgot to mention the guaranteed living wage, GST exemption for the poor and a recognition that volunteer labour is labour that should be accounted for as an in-kind contribution on your income tax return, i.e. you either get paid or get a tax break/rebate. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 The democratic electorate as a whole is smart. People are rejecting Harper and his social policy, as well as the things that they don't like, but not necessarily his fiscal policy. The Liberals, NDP, and Conservatives, when it comes down to it, have almost identical fiscal policies. Canadians as a whole (even if not as individuals) understand that and have seen through the claims of Trudeau not being ready. That was a very interesting listen. What remains to be seen is if the liberals are strict about how much they go over the deficit. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 The democratic electorate as a whole is smart. People are rejecting Harper and his social policy, as well as the things that they don't like, but not necessarily his fiscal policy. The Liberals, NDP, and Conservatives, when it comes down to it, have almost identical fiscal policies. Canadians as a whole (even if not as individuals) understand that and have seen through the claims of Trudeau not being ready. That was a very interesting listen. What remains to be seen is if the liberals are strict about how much they go over the deficit. In a way the tories have the libs painted into a corner long term. The tories kept their promise about slaying the deficit. Now the liberals have to keep theirs. 4 years for the tories to groom a new leader, hopefully with not the same crappy branding as harper. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
eyeball Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) EKOS numbers showing Liberals and Conservatives neck and neck. LPC 33.5, CPC 32.6, NDP 22.9 http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2015/10/marginally-significant-narrowing-of-liberal-lead/ The sweetest spot for Canada to be, in my opinion, would be a nearly hung conservative minority that is replaced with a progressive coalition.We'd likely see some progress towards the end of FPTP and the gnashing of conservative teeth would be the cherry on top. Edited October 15, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 To the point at which it balanced with the income tax cut...to ordinary middle class workers. Works for me as long as I can irresponsibly get a low paying job, then go into debt and wait for the rich, hard-working, responsible Conservative portion of our population to bail me out. 'Cause I'm entitled, eh? Quote
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 EKOS numbers showing Liberals and Conservatives neck and neck. LPC 33.5, CPC 32.6, NDP 22.9 http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2015/10/marginally-significant-narrowing-of-liberal-lead/ Its still the liberals right now that will win it. I would be shocked if the tories pulled it out and im on team blue. I cant explain it, the momentum "feels" like it belongs to the liberals. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Shady Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Its still the liberals right now that will win it. I would be shocked if the tories pulled it out and im on team blue. I cant explain it, the momentum "feels" like it belongs to the liberals. I agree about the momentum. I'd have to see at least another EKOS poll in a couple of days showing the same thing before I started to take it more seriously. Quote
Hydraboss Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 My focus is on just how many seats the LPC would have to lost to the NDP in Kwebek to hurt the chances of a Liberal minority. According to that Ekos poll, the NDP are trending upwards and if you look at 308 and The Signal, they disagree heavily on the CPC seat projection for that province. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 The sweetest spot for Canada to be, in my opinion, would be a nearly hung conservative minority that is replaced with a progressive coalition. If we get a conservative minority, expect Harper to game the system, just like he did in 2008. It's not worth the risk. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
blueblood Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 If we get a conservative minority, expect Harper to game the system, just like he did in 2008. It's not worth the risk. Any politician will "game" the system. If people want to elect a minority govt, thats a consequence Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
angrypenguin Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2015/10/marginally-significant-narrowing-of-liberal-lead/ Marginally Significant Narrowing of Liberal Lead RACE NOT OVER [Ottawa – October 15, 2015] As we sit less than four days out from Election Day, there is precious little to report. While we thought at the beginning of the week that the race would be clarified by now, it isn’t. The gap between the Liberals and the Conservatives has narrowed slightly and the Liberals’ advantage is longer statistically significant. The NDP remains in third place, although they are still a major player in this election. Regionally, Ontario continues to look very positive for the Liberals, while Quebec is looking very positive for the NDP. British Columbia, meanwhile, is a tight race with all three parties vying for the lead. The Liberals continue to dominate Atlantic Canada, while Alberta remains firmly in the hands of the Conservatives. The Conservatives still lead with seniors, although their advantage here has been weakened over the past week (the Hazel McCallion effect?). Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
webc5 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Anyone think the Jays game will effect the polls? Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Anyone think the Jays game will effect the polls? Yep. I think the Conservatives get the edge because of it as we know they have higher voter efficiency Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
BC_chick Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I agree about the momentum. I'd have to see at least another EKOS poll in a couple of days showing the same thing before I started to take it more seriously. After seeing Christy Clark win BC, I don't trust polls at all. They are amusing to follow, but that's about it. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 The democratic electorate as a whole is smart. People are rejecting Harper and his social policy, as well as the things that they don't like, but not necessarily his fiscal policy. The Liberals, NDP, and Conservatives, when it comes down to it, have almost identical fiscal policies. Canadians as a whole (even if not as individuals) understand that and have seen through the claims of Trudeau not being ready. Chrétien and Martin were hardly fire-breathing radicals. Change is gradual here. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I cannot be sad that the NDP are on the decline. They were too keen, as keen as Mulroney, to play dice with the separatists. The whole idea of shredding the Clarity Act honestly scared the ---- out of me, because it seems to me to be like waving a red flag in front of a raging bull. I never got this one to be honest. The Clarity Act is anything but. It basically say Quebec can't separate unless the number of votes is enough but nobody has really defined what enough is. So basically means Quebec can't separate unless ROC says so. I thought Mulcair's stance was way more ethical than LPC's. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
angrypenguin Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 After seeing Christy Clark win BC, I don't trust polls at all. They are amusing to follow, but that's about it. I thought the polls were favoring Christy Clark, but didn't reflect a majority, just a minority? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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