Mr.Canada Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 They seem to be Tea Party supporters... I don't see why some people are against the Tea Party. They want lower taxes and for government to show more respect for their hard earned tax dollars. How is this a bad thing? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
pinko Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) I don't see why some people are against the Tea Party. They want lower taxes and for government to show more respect for their hard earned tax dollars. How is this a bad thing? If the debt is to be reduced tax increases will be necessary as a matter of necessity. If you have been following the events from the Ronald Raygun era onward you will realize that the trickle down theory pushed by morons like Reagen and that old whore Thatcher haven't worked at least for ordinary folks. Edited February 19, 2011 by pinko Quote
GWiz Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 If the debt is to be reduced tax increases will be necessary as a matter of necessity. If you have been following the events from the Ronald Raygun era onward you will realize that the trickle down theory pushed by morons like Reagen and that old whore Thatcher haven't worked at least for ordinary folks. Don't leave Moroney here in Canada out of that equation, eh... Would it be pushing the envelope to say it's ONLY worked for the richest 2-3% (that were rich to begin with for the most part) and not just "ordinary folks" (whatever that means)... Although people like Bill Gates et al that came out of the "computer age" I'd have to also classify as "ordinary folk"... It's complicated... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 It's complicated... It's not complicated.....you makes your choices...and you takes your chances. Choosing "Union Yes!" has just crapped out. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Free market cons blowing surplus money (because they are the ones who should control the "public purse") IMPOSSIBLE!!!! There was no surplus. It's part of the freedloading, public sector propaganda. PolitiFact has already categorized this assertion as completely false. Stop repeating lies. What do these rubes supporting the governors actions do for a living? All kinds of things. But they don't take tax money to fund their salaries. They earn it on their own. I don't see why some people are against the Tea Party. It's just a diversionary tactic to take attention away from the public sector unions and their unsustainable pension system and benefits. The private sector did away with defined benefit pension plans long ago. Because they're essentially a pyramid scheme. But public unions want to keep them, so they can get everyone else to fill in the void of funding. It's criminal. Quote
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 It's not complicated.....you makes your choices...and you takes your chances. Choosing "Union Yes!" has just crapped out. Naaaa, but you're right, it is pretty simple, there's the haves and then there's the haves, the rest just aren't... Ooops, I mean - 1. (Interesting stat I heard last night - richest 400 people in the U.S. = 110 MILLION poorest Americans, sustainable? Maybe not...) Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Free market cons blowing surplus money (because they are the ones who should control the "public purse") IMPOSSIBLE!!!! Wrong expression... PROBABLE!!! Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Shady Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Wrong expression... PROBABLE!!! Even more wrong expression... Lie!!! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (Interesting stat I heard last night - richest 400 people in the U.S. = 110 MILLION poorest Americans, sustainable? Maybe not...) Even those "poorest Americans" live better than many others in the world. I don't see many leaving for China. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 These are the public sector brainiacs we're dealing with! Should she really be educating children? Quote
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Even those "poorest Americans" live better than many others in the world. I don't see many leaving for China. I dunno about that, that may be a change that's closer than you think, as I've mentioned to you before I believe... At 110 Million (1/3 of Americans) that's going up into the "so called" middle class isn't it? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 I dunno about that, that may be a change that's closer than you think, as I've mentioned to you before I believe... At 110 Million (1/3 of Americans) that's going up into the "so called" middle class isn't it? The research has already been done...even the American lower middle class lives like kings compared to many other nations, including many in Europe and Asia. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Mr.Canada Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) If the debt is to be reduced tax increases will be necessary as a matter of necessity. If you have been following the events from the Ronald Raygun era onward you will realize that the trickle down theory pushed by morons like Reagen and that old whore Thatcher haven't worked at least for ordinary folks. If they raised taxes for three years or so and put all that revenue into paying down the debt only. After which time they returned the tax rate to it's previous state more people would be fine with it I'm guessing. See the problem is that when a government raises taxes it also raises spending. If it didn't raise spending then yes it would work well but that isn't what happens. Edited February 20, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 ...See the problem is that when a government raises taxes it also raises spending. If it didn't raise spending then yes it would work well but that isn't what happens. Agreed...spending and recurring entitlement costs are the real issue, not revenue. So called "rich people" already pay most of the taxes, but there are only so many rich folks to go around. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 The research has already been done...even the American lower middle class lives like kings compared to many other nations, including many in Europe and Asia. BC, do you know how sad and desperate downward comparisons like that look and sound? If you have to resort to a "better than" (especially to 3rd world undeveloped and underdeveloped countries) arqument my friend things are even worse than I thought in America today, and that "you guys" know it... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 So called "rich people" already pay most of the taxes, but there are only so many rich folks to go around. That's PURE BS BC, and you know it... Not even if they paid 100% of their annual earnings would that be true... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Shady Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 That's PURE BS BC, and you know it... Not even if they paid 100% of their annual earnings would that be true... Nope, he's completely right. The top 5% of wage earners pay something like 60% of all income taxes. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 BC, do you know how sad and desperate downward comparisons like that look and sound? But they are not desperate...American (and Canadian) garbage dumps are veritable gold mines to others around the world. If you have to resort to a "better than" (especially to 3rd world undeveloped and underdeveloped countries) arqument my friend things are even worse than I thought in America today, and that "you guys" know it... Many parts of Asia and Europe are developed. Maybe you should get out more! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 That's PURE BS BC, and you know it... Not even if they paid 100% of their annual earnings would that be true... Sorry, but you just don't know what you are talking about. How could you....you don't work for the IRS. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jake Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 One of the first things that Ronald Reagan did after being elected President was busting the air traffic controllers' union. After bringing home the 52 hostages held for 444 days, due to Jimmy Carter's incredibly incompetency. Congratulations, Governor Scott Walker! You are a real American hero! It's about time someone stood up to the unions. We the taxpayers can not afford to fund union pensions and health care benefits. They don't fund ours. We have to pay for our own retirements and health care. Quote OOH-RAH… HONOR, INTEGRETY, PRIDE. A MARINE WAY OF LIFE UNTIL WE DIE!!! SEMPRE FI!
Jack Weber Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 It's about time someone stood up to the unions. We the taxpayers can not afford to fund union pensions and health care benefits. They don't fund ours. We have to pay for our own retirements and health care. Enjoy the freedom to line the pockets of the money taking insurance cabal... Sucker!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GostHacked Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Looks like this is spilling over into Ohio and Indiana now .... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/dnc-expands-mobilization-protests-ohio-indiana_n_824743.html Thousands descended upon the Ohio statehouse Thursday to protest a bill that would eliminate collective-bargaining rights for state employees and curtail the rights of local-level government employees. The debate is similar to that in Wisconsin: Supporters say it's necessary to deal with budget problems, while opponents say it's nothing but a vicious assault on unions. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-16/union-protests-at-ind-statehouse-on-gop-proposals.html INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Several hundred steelworkers hit the halls of the Statehouse on Tuesday to protest what they called an "anti-worker agenda" of the Republican majorities in the Indiana House and Senate.The future of the bill drawing the strongest ire of the union members remained uncertain as a Republican committee chairman said a decision had not been made on whether so-called right-to-work legislation would be considered this session. Organizers said more than 600 United Steelworkers members from around the state attended Tuesday's event. Labor unions have opposed a bill moving through the Legislature to fix Indiana's debt-ridden unemployment insurance fund that would reduce jobless benefits for many recipients and soften tax increases on businesses. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Looks like this is spilling over into Ohio and Indiana now .... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/dnc-expands-mobilization-protests-ohio-indiana_n_824743.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-16/union-protests-at-ind-statehouse-on-gop-proposals.html And there ya' have it,folks... Hagelian Dialectic to bring about RTW... Free Marketeering scum at its finest!!! Edited February 20, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bloodyminded Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Exactly. And the worst part of all of this, is that these public unions use tax dollars to run ads and support political candidates. Who in turn, when elected, make sure the unions get even more in salaries, pension and benefits. It's a fancy racket they've got going. Tony Soprano would be very impressed. Since you brought it up, you know that Tony was more impressed with union-busting (in one episode) and union-intimidation (in another). I'd think you'd admire this. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
pinko Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) If they raised taxes for three years or so and put all that revenue into paying down the debt only. After which time they returned the tax rate to it's previous state more people would be fine with it I'm guessing. See the problem is that when a government raises taxes it also raises spending. If it didn't raise spending then yes it would work well but that isn't what happens. The fact of the matter is the uber rich have been given a free ride over the decades and this in turn has caused a considerable shortfall in government revenues. The deep pockets of the Koch brothers are evident in this dispute in Wisconsin and you can be sure their wealth will be used in a manner in keeping with their place in the world of the rich. The teabaggers are financed by folks like Dick Armey(http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090415_obamas_cup_of_tea/). The Americans need to get out of the wars they have financed on the backs of the middle class and the poor and regulate and redistribute income in a much more equitable manner. Edited February 20, 2011 by pinko Quote
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