pinko

Don't expect Saipan to be realistic. If you do you will be disappointed.

It remains to be seen how the Supreme Court addresses this issue nowithstanding the opinions offered here.

You make some good points. Would you not agree that Vancouver is somewhat of an anomaly?

You mean Governor Perry the man who wants to seperate from the USA.

"the first wife could ask for a divorce if she objected to her hubby having a 2nd wife...which is what wives do now when hubby has girlfriend...the rich and the powerful have always had more than thier share of multiple women that isn't anything new and it hasn't destablized our society..." You have an interesting way of framing the issue in relating the mores of the cult to that of society at large. If I am not mistaken in Canada a divorce can be proceeded with by either gender and in some cases via joint application. Both bigamy and polygamy are currently prohibited in Canadian law and the desire to denote extra-marital relationships as being that of husband and wife is a misnomer. Whatever the shortcomings and permissiveness of the modern day society may be there is no comparison between the degree of control exercised within the cult by the likes of Blackmore and Osler in Bountiful, B.C. and those of these rich guys you speak of. Secondly I am wondering if these rich guys you refer to routinely have sex with minors. What does destabilize our society is the exploitation of children and that is an issue, aside from polygamy, that needs to be addressed. Here is a book which may be instructive to the issues at hand. "The Secret Lives of Saints: Child Brides and Lost Boys in a Polygamous Mormon Sect" [Hardcover] Daphne Bramham (Author)

With a life sentence now in place for Jeffs I wonder if this will deter the use of underage girls within the confines of this cult. I include in that the FLDS location in Bountiful.

I am telling you no such thing. I am suggesting you have created a strawman argument on a false premise.

Hardly sexist nonsense in a cult setting such as that of the FLDS. I am wondering if you have done any reading about the FLDS value system. You have also conventiently overlooked the so called "Lost Boys" in your effort to misrepresent the opposition to the indoctrination utilized by the old white guys within the cult hirearchy in controlling those within the cult.

The alpha apes also control the finances and with this the lives of those under their thumbs.

Well put.I take the position polygamy should not be legal.

Among Clinton fans, particularly older women, the language was frequently far more caustic. “Obama has no spine and no balls,” said a 67-year-old New Yorker. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/07/hillary-clinton-2012-calls-grow-with-anger-at-obama-debt-capitulation.html?om_rid=NsfrMk&om_mid=_BOQDgOB8coIc1J Looks like buyer's remorse. Obama is seen as weak and ineffective.

If you are seriously considering a home ownership option here is a link related to rental vacancy rates. http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=43

No hurry. They will get the remainder next time.

In British Columbia the provincial government has instituted court action. Evidence and argument have been presented by a variety of parties and a decision is pending from the B.C. Court of Appeal. I would suspect the case is headed to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Here is what the Criminal Code states in relation to polygamy: "Polygamy 293. (1) Every one who (a) practises or enters into or in any manner agrees or consents to practise or enter into (i) any form of polygamy, or (ii) any kind of conjugal union with more than one person at the same time, whether or not it is by law recognized as a binding form of marriage, or ( celebrates, assists or is a party to a rite, ceremony, contract or consent that purports to sanction a relationship mentioned in subparagraph (a)(i) or (ii), is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. Evidence in case of polygamy (2) Where an accused is charged with an offence under this section, no averment or proof of the method by which the alleged relationship was entered into, agreed to or consented to is necessary in the indictment or on the trial of the accused, nor is it necessary on the trial to prove that the persons who are alleged to have entered into the relationship had or intended to have sexual intercourse. R.S., c. C-34, s. 257. The question before the court at the moment is whether such a prohibition violates religious freedom outlined in the Charter. If Muslims are practicing polygamy in Canada they are doing so in violation of the law as it currently stands.

I am not a supporter of NAFTA nor was I a supporter of the original FTA between Canada and the USA.

When I was down in Texas I noticed that all the yard work in the gated area my son lived in was done by Mexicans. Most of those call centre jobs and auto manufacturing jobs have moved elsewhere. You need to keep up with the times.

Agreed although divorce may also do you part. Once children are in the mix that definitely makes the relationships more complex.

You need a violin to accompany your perceived victimhood.

In my view a committed relationship is one in a marriage which is exclusive to two partners to the exclusion of all others. Under my definition that would exclude more than one marital partner. In the province we live in the family residence is jointly owned. There is an expectation that there be an equitable division of labour within the family home and as well, subject to means, a proportionate contribution in financial terms. Certainly a wife (or husband) may decline or accept sex with a marriage partner. The whole idea of polygamy is counterintuitive to the exclusivity I have described above. What you appear to miss from these polygamous collectives is that women and children are treated as chattels and may be disposed of by the leadership within the cult. Many of the women who have escaped these oppressive conditions described the systemic abuse suffered at the hands of the likes of Jeffs and others.

I think Oleg correctly described the nature of these relationships and if you follow his logic(which I do) it should be abundantly clear why polygamy is singled out. To my knowledge the Province of Ontario hasn't endorsed the concept of Sharia law although it may very well be considered within some segments of the Muslim community. As for aboriginal women on reserves those changes were negotiated against a backdrop of collective as opposed to individual ownership on reserves and as constrained by the Indian Act. The benefit for those first nations signing onto such a scheme isn't limited to women. If you are interested may I suggest your read "Beyond The Indian Act-Restoring Aboriginal Property Rights".

It seems as if you have given this a lot of thought. When my wife and I bought our first house in 1973 we paid $15,000 for it. During that period of time we were able to gain equity in this first older home and move through a series of new homes and eventually to a custom built home on acreage. Of course during this same period of time interest rates reached double digit proportions. We sold our acreage at a time when the market was some what depressed and perhaps didn't gain as much as we could have otherwise. Since then we have downsized twice and now live in a small bungalow witn no mortgage. We have no regrets in choosing ownership over rental even with the extra expenses described in your post associated with ownership. Of course we had the necessary cash flow to meet the cost of a mortgage and the other expenses related to ownership. If you have the necessary cash flow and can establish your credit with a bank or credit union it may well be worth your while to find a home that meets your needs. Depending on the rental vacancy rate in your community you may find home ownerhsip more appealing especially if there is high demand and limited supply of rental properties.

Add to that the Criminal Code prohibits polygamy and the equality provisions of the Charter suggest the activities within these compounds work at cross purposes in liberating women from these arcane rituals. Were it not for the indoctrination of these people at birth I am reasonably certain most women would not tolerate these oppressive relationships.

Maybe some Canadians saw Obama as a beacon of hope especially when considered in the context of the Bush Administration.