Mosque going up in NYC building

[guyser]

So not much more than the proposed mosque. You've made my point. The term mega-mosque is certainly appropriate.

Oh lord .......(takes hand and pats on head)

Today the Empire state Buildng would cost approx $1.68 Billion

Based on data that states $100 in 1930 is approx valued at $1204 of todays dollars.

Facepalm....get on it.

[Jack Weber]

Who cares IF, or HOW they "reach out" or if they do it at all?

Its a privately funded project on private property. They can build whatever the hell they want there as long as its legal.

Absolutely...But lets do away with the false advertizing about a "Community Outreach Centre" and call it what it was/is before there was proper and sufficient public outrage?

[BubberMiley]

I see you're having second thoughts on defending the Imam's character as beyond reproach. Looks like he's not the angle you and others have portrayed him as!

Uh... no, you just don't understand again. I have no idea what the guy's character is like and I don't care. My point is that people like AW now must resort to digging into the guy's past to make a case against the community centre. I don't see her digging into the pasts of anyone else in the world who hopes to open a community centre. Why is this special? No one can develop anything in lower Manhatten unless everyone agrees they are squeaky clean, or is this just a standard for muslim people?

Heavens, forgive me. We've gone down that road before, and that couldn't possibly be the answer. She's stated that so many times.

I wonder what the reason is then?

[Shady]

I don't see her digging into the pasts of anyone else in the world who hopes to open a community centre. Why is this special?

You're seriously asking why this is special? Um, building a mosque at the scene of the greatest terrorist attack in American history, perhaps world history, committed by Islamic terrorists. Yeah, what's the big deal?

[guyser]

Um, building a mosque at the scene of the greatest terrorist attack in American history, perhaps world history, committed by Islamic terrorists. Yeah, what's the big deal?

Dont know history much do you shady? At the scene too? What, did they move the mosque to ground zero.....oh and cue the laughing at you icon.

(pats head yet again)

What , are you mikedavids brother?

[BubberMiley]

You're seriously asking why this is special? Um, building a mosque at the scene of the greatest terrorist attack in American history, perhaps world history, committed by Islamic terrorists. Yeah, what's the big deal?

Again, if that's the point, what does his background as a landlord have to do with it? Sounds to me that the first line of argument has hit a brick wall and attacking the character of anyone involved is the next step.

But you would never resort to such measures, would you?

[DogOnPorch]

Dont know history much do you shady? At the scene too? What, did they move the mosque to ground zero.....oh and cue the laughing at you icon.

(pats head yet again)

What , are you mikedavids brother?

On 9-11, 51 Park avenue would have been far too close for folks to stand around going "Gee...those buildings are more than two blocks high."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV0BVZG1j7E

[BubberMiley]

Yep. Seems to be a bit of a problem there now, so the course of action is to attack me.

I take that means you'll avoid the question why his history of a landlord is suddenly of great concern, and whine about being attacked some more.

[Sir Bandelot]

I take that means you'll avoid the question why his history of a landlord is suddenly of great concern, and whine about being attacked some more.

Or being grotesquely misunderstood... no doubt this forum is some type of therapy

[Shady]

Again, if that's the point, what does his background as a landlord have to do with it?

His entire background has everything to do with it. Including his partner who's a 9/11 truther.

[jbg]

Excellent OP by an American Muslim* (excerpts):

He may not appear to the untrained eye to be an Islamist, but by making Ground Zero an Islamic rather than an American issue he shows his true allegiance.

******************

He really gets to the heart of the matter and says what he has to say very well. Well worth the read.

*Dr. Jasser, a medical doctor and a former U.S. Navy lieutenant commander, is the founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy based in Phoenix, Ariz.

I read that when it came out. Excellent Op-Ed. An d no one can accuse me of being anti-Muslim by referring to it; the writer is Muslim.

[BubberMiley]

His entire background has everything to do with it. Including his partner who's a 9/11 truther.

Are you interested in the backgrounds of other real estate developers in lower Manhattan?

[Jack Weber]

Are you interested in the backgrounds of other real estate developers in lower Manhattan?

Or major shareholders in Newscorp????

[BubberMiley]

An d no one can accuse me of being anti-Muslim by referring to it; the writer is Muslim.

What's wrong with being anti-Muslim? I'm as anti-Muslim Insert Religion as they come. That's not really the point.

[kimmy]

Are you interested in the backgrounds of other real estate developers in lower Manhattan?

Are we no longer proclaiming Imam Rauf to be the champion of peace? Is he now just another real-estate developer? Is Park 51 now just another real-estate development? We're lowering the bar on that one, are we?

I'm not aware of other real-estate developers being hailed as champions of unity, builders of bridges between communities, healers of the nation, and so forth. The sterling character of Imam Rauf has in fact been made a focal point of this discussion. His supporters claim it's unthinkable to question his motives in light of all his wonderful intentions and good works. If that's going to be the argument, then his works are entirely open for discussion, Bubber.

Iman Rauf's call for unity between Jews, Christians, and Muslims (but not atheists) is based on what he calls "the two greatest commandments", shared by all 3 Abrahamic religions: (1) to love god, and (2) to love all our fellow human beings as we love ourselves.

Now, I don't presume to know what sort of home he provides for Daisy. But I have a hunch that he would not house her in a tenement that's been flagged for safety violations. If he's letting people live in buildings that are being sued for building code violations, is he really "loving his neighbors"?

-k

[Shady]

Are you interested in the backgrounds of other real estate developers in lower Manhattan?

Only the backgrounds of so-called real estate developers who claim that their project is for peace-making and bridge-building. And who's project is at the site of a major terrorist attack in which the developer's religion is directly related to those attacks, and the 3000 people who died at the site in which he wants to build.

[kimmy]

do you also supersize your fries?

The hyperbole is pretty funny.

The "UTRA-MEGGA-MOSQUE" ... "TOWERING OVER" and "CASTING ITS SHADOW" on the 911 memorial. THE HUMANITY!!!!

Never mind the fact that its 3 floors of a relatively small 13 story building thats about 4 blocks from the memorial.

He was referring to the hyperbole. The use of the word "SUPERMOSQUE" to make the project seem bigger than it is... thus supersizing it.

And it's not like you guys are trying to downplay it by referring to it as "a humble mosque", "a modest prayer space", "a simple community center", right?

"Super" is derived from Latin and as a prefix indicates "above" or "beyond".

As Park 51 will, aside from being a mosque, also house a swimming pool, a halal food court, an auditorium, a fitness center, and of course a 9/11 memorial. It certainly sounds like it is "above" and "beyond" a typical mosque to me.

I also doubt whether many mosques cost $100 million to build or stand 13 stories tall, so it is also "super" in the sense of being exceptionally large.

It is also "super" in the wonderful qualities being attributed to it by its supporters. Healing! Fighting intolerance! Creating unity! It sounds like it is almost supernatural.

It also apparently has "super" powers! It is able to transform from "a humble mosque" to "a modest prayer space" to "a simple community center", almost like

.

So I feel that "supermosque" is an entirely reasonable description of Park 51.

-k

[dre]

And it's not like you guys are trying to downplay it by referring to it as "a humble mosque", "a modest prayer space", "a simple community center", right?

"Super" is derived from Latin and as a prefix indicates "above" or "beyond".

As Park 51 will, aside from being a mosque, also house a swimming pool, a halal food court, an auditorium, a fitness center, and of course a 9/11 memorial. It certainly sounds like it is "above" and "beyond" a typical mosque to me.

I also doubt whether many mosques cost $100 million to build or stand 13 stories tall, so it is also "super" in the sense of being exceptionally large.

It is also "super" in the wonderful qualities being attributed to it by its supporters. Healing! Fighting intolerance! Creating unity! It sounds like it is almost supernatural.

It also apparently has "super" powers! It is able to transform from "a humble mosque" to "a modest prayer space" to "a simple community center", almost like

.

So I feel that "supermosque" is an entirely reasonable description of Park 51.

-k

How about SUPREME ULTRA GLOBAL SUPER MEGA MOSQUE?

BTW... catch Cory and Trevor (The Axis of Feeble) trying to defend what they felt were attacks on your waste line? Classic...

[Shady]

Kimmy not only wins on the substance of her post, but also because of her link. Any post that incorporates a Wonder Twins reference wins hands down!!!

[dre]

Again, if that's the point, what does his background as a landlord have to do with it?

Its commonly referred to as the "everything but the kitchen sink" strategy. People who dont want this project are scouring post-hoc for to justify their initial positions. If this guy so much as stole a candy bar when he was a kid, yer gonna hear about it by the time we hit page 500.

Its been really neat actually.... watching the argument evolve.

First we had...

The Muslims should have empathy!

Then it was like "Its too big!".

Then "too close"... not enough blocks away!

Then it was because Muslims are mean to women.

Then it was the name of the project.

Then it was the source of funding for the project.

Then it was the sincerity of this guy.

Hes not serious about building bridges.

He wasnt anti Hammas enough.

Now its his credentials as a residential landlord.

And these people are just getting started!!! Pretty soon theyll trot out chix he diddled when he was a teenager. You say "what the hell does that have to do with it?" and theyll be all like "Those are facts man!".

Edited September 16, 2010 by dre

[dre]

Kimmy not only wins on the substance of her post, but also because of her link. Any post that incorporates a Wonder Twins reference wins hands down!!!

"Substance"? That was an obvious attack on Kimmys weight!

[BubberMiley]

Now its his credentials as a residential landlord.

Don't forget whether he has acquaintances that might be tr00thers!

[waldo]

How about SUPREME ULTRA GLOBAL SUPER MEGA MOSQUE?

BTW... catch Cory and Trevor (The Axis of Feeble) trying to defend what they felt were attacks on your waste line? Classic...

which one is Cory... which one is Trevor? Who's the brains?

[BubberMiley]

Only the backgrounds of so-called real estate developers who claim that their project is for peace-making and bridge-building. And who's project is at the site of a major terrorist attack in which the developer's religion is directly related to those attacks, and the 3000 people who died at the site in which he wants to build.

At least you're honest that you blame muslims as a whole for 9/11. I can accept that. It's the weasels who are too frightened to admit that who annoy me. What's the big deal?

[Guest American Woman]

It's the weasels who are too frightened to admit that who annoy me. What's the big deal?

I don't know. You tell me. Why are you weasels too frightened to admit that you support and root for al-Qaeda? What's the big deal?

Figure that out, and I think you'll figure out the other.