British Petroleum....had better cough up the cash!

[AnnaK]

I’ve been recently captivated by the Arctic theme, control and perspective. I believe Arctic is going to help Canada take off quickly… if it goes the right way. Imo biggest alarm presently is USA. They are intensely instigating divisions between countries of the Arctic Club setting them on each other and doing other fishy things.

The grand American idea imo is to disrupt consolidation of those states vs belligerent America. American aggressiveness is no brainer as it is. Yankees are least interested in the natural objective distribution of the Arctic space (according with the sector principle or depending on the shore line length). In this case their Arctic gains aren’t going to be as huge as those of Russia and Canada. So America is after animosity in Arctic Club and using force to make the biggest piece of Arctic pie.

One thing is sure. That’s taboo now to play by America suggested rules. See how it works with them. Quite recently a shady ‘mutually beneficial’ deal was agreed upon by USA with Canada, Denmark and Norway. What’s next? Americans quit it as soon as it turned out to be that vast portion of hydrocarbonates would go to Norway. Common practice just with the Americans….

[GostHacked]

They ARE drilling a relief well. But it takes time to dig that far, that deep. Unfortunately you can't just snap your fingers and have it done.

The relief valve should have been started when the disaster hit. No back up plan seemed to have been in place. If they started a month ago, they'd be in a lot better position to actually close the leak. Considering all other attempts had failed.

All along it's been , we will attempt A. Fail .. Ok plan B .. fail ... C?? fail!! ON and on. A relief valve could be close to completion at this time or at least started well under way, at the same time other plans are attempted. The relief valve was one proposed at the start. If it is put in place it could alleviate the flow from the broken well enough for it to be capped by one of the other methods that failed.

More spill baby spill.

Chief Wiggum - Oh boy, this is gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

[eyeball]

The relief valve should have been started when the disaster hit. No back up plan seemed to have been in place. If they started a month ago, they'd be in a lot better position to actually close the leak. Considering all other attempts had failed.

They should drill two holes simultaneously at every deep water site so that one or the other can be used as the relief valve in case one or the other blows.

[GostHacked]

They should drill two holes simultaneously at every deep water site so that one or the other can be used as the relief valve in case one or the other blows.

Not a bad idea at all. As long as something is learned and more safety precautions are put into place, then all will be better. if nothing is learned, then we can expect the same scenario to happen when the next oil rig blows up. It's just a matter of time before it happens again.

[Shady]

Deepwater drilling only exists because they've depleted resources closer to shore.

Actually, you're completely wrong. Deepwater drilling exists because environmentalists have pushed for drilling closer to shore to be banned. They've also managed to thwart efforts to drill on land in many places that have large oil deposits. It's also the same behavior that's prevented any new nuclear power plants from being constructed in America for 30 years. People like you and your ilk. The oil is on your hands.

[BubberMiley]

I suppose if I didn't have a real-world source that backed up my fantasies, I would just repeat them again in the hopes that someone would believe my lying ass.

[Shady]

I suppose if I didn't have a real-world source that backed up my fantasies, I would just repeat them again in the hopes that someone would believe my lying ass.

Are you denying the fact that large oil reserves closer to shore are currently off limits to drilling? Are you also denying the fact that shallow water drilling has a great record of safety and any leak can be stopped very quickly?

Which one of those are you denying? Or are you denying all of them?

[GostHacked]

I suppose if I didn't have a real-world source that backed up my fantasies, I would just repeat them again in the hopes that someone would believe my lying ass.

I personally like the one where no matter what happens it's all Obama's fault.

[Shady]

I personally like the one where no matter what happens it's all Obama's fault.

Nice deflection.

[BubberMiley]

Which one of those are you denying? Or are you denying all of them?

I provided you a nice, reputable source claiming that offshore drilling is necessary because sources closer to shore have been depleted, and because technology and the price of oil have rendered offshore drilling profitable.

Are you denying that source's veracity? If so, can you provide a source which backs up what you claim?

I'm still waiting.

[Shady]

I provided you a nice, reputable source claiming that offshore drilling is necessary because sources closer to shore have been depleted, and because technology and the price of oil have rendered offshore drilling profitable.

Are you denying that source's veracity? If so, can you provide a source which backs up what you claim?

I'm still waiting.

Oh, I have plenty of sources. I just wanna make sure I have you on record, denying. So you're denying that there's no large oil reserves closer to shore? And you're denying that drilling done in shallower waters is far safer, and leaks can be capped in a very short period of time?

[Shady]

Here's a map illustrating the areas currently, and for decades, that have been banned from any drilling. You'll notice they're all areas closer to shore, and in shallower waters.

MAP

Here's another one. Even better.

MAP

Edited May 31, 2010 by Shady

[GostHacked]

Nice deflection.

What am I exactly trying to deflect? Maybe you can give me some of your amazing wisdom and shed some light on that.

[Shady]

New permits for shallow-water oil wells should be allowed amid deepwater investigation

Link

Wait a minute. I thought there weren't any resources in shallow water?!

Of course there is. It's just that most shallow water areas have been off limits to exploration.

[Shady]

Shallow-water drilling permit ban should be lifted, Southern and Alaskan senators say

Link

[BubberMiley]

Nice try, but first, they're talking about a ban that was implemented since the spill. Second, I was asking for a link that indicated that offshore drilling was necessary because of a ban on shallow drilling, as you suggested. This link does not say anything of the sort.

Since after several days you have been unable to provide that link, I will accept that as your humble apology for once again lying. It's tough being the "truth detector," isn't it?

Continue.

Edited May 31, 2010 by BubberMiley

[Shady]

Nice try, but first, they're talking about a ban that was implemented since the spill. Second, I was asking for a link that indicated that offshore drilling was necessary because of a ban on shallow drilling

Are you unaware of the ban on offshore drilling that's been in place for decades? The ban that President Bush attempted to lift a few years ago. Did you not take a look at the maps I posted? That illustrate all of the coastal waters that are off limits to exploration? This is the last time I'm wasting my time with you.

Since 1981, a congressional moratorium has prohibited oil and gas drilling along the east and west coasts and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, an area accounting for some 80% of the US's outer continental shelf.

Since then offshore drilling and exploration have only been allowed in the western and central regions of the Gulf of Mexico plus parts of Alaska

BBC

And why do you think a ban on drilling and exploration would be necessary if there wasn't any oil and gas there? Yep. That's what I thought.

Your ridiculous claim that deepwater drilling ONLY exists because there's no more oil and gas in coastal waters is absurd, and incorrect.

[BubberMiley]

This is the last time I'm wasting my time with you.

That's probably your best bet---scurry away because you still can't find anything that backs up your claim that deepwater drilling would not be happening if they would just allow the little bit of drilling closer to shore that could still produce results.

Edited May 31, 2010 by BubberMiley

[Oleg Bach]

BRITISH PETROLEUM DOES NOT WANT TO LOSE THIS POTENTIALLY VERY LUCRATIVE WELL. In order to stop the leak they would have to destroy the well - these so-called relief wells are NOT relief wells but NEW wells..these are con men running this dog and pony show. All the high tech bullshit and "finest minds" are simply not going to cut it--- there is no real will to plug up this damned portal to hell - BP is so over whelmed with institutional greed and power mongering that they are incapable of doing the right thing..wait till AUGUST? Are these people complete and utter lunitics?

NOW - I realize you guys out there in Alberta are begining to realize that this tragic event will damage the oil industry for ever..Brute strength and simplicty is what will plug this shit hole - and I don't give a damn if the well is for ever sealed..BP has forfeited the right to any continued use of this particular deposit.

HERE is my idea- First a crib- the kind that the use for the pouring of concrete in the making of bridge over water support foundations must be lowered down - a large one placing the shit hole dead centre..secondly a perfect disc of iron - about a foot thick must be created...large--about 25 feet in diameter...thirdly at the bottom side of this disc should be a cone shaped object - larger than the exit pipe after it is trimmed..inside this cone should be a massive amount of lead...on the exterior of this cone should also be a coating of lead..that will for a gasket - or a strong rubber compound.

IMAGINE a super huge old fashioned plumb bob that will fit into the pipe..the tolerance should be slightly crude ---THEN this disc and con - which is perfectly balanced...should be suspended by a large stainless steel cable..dead center..lower the cone into the well opening - leaving a few inches of play in order not to collapse the fragile pipe...Keep the cable light and not let the full weight of the disc and cone touch the pipe----have your massive supply of concrete on the ready - start to fill the crib--as the level comes up close to the cone - wait for a bit till the concrete is semi-set - then lower the full weight of the disc and cone....quickly place as much concrete on top of the full configuration --- in other words you will have a massive block of concrete and the well will be permanently sealed - then tell BP to F**K off and start writing cheaques...

AS mentioned - BP at this point will lose all of it's rights to this site... THE major problem here is that BP's will to profit even in the face of disaster is more powerful than there sense of logic and moral fiber.

[Oleg Bach]

Also - a cone will not be blown out..the come could simply be made of pure lead..lead is soft and will form a good seal..the reason of the stainless steal cable is to ensure that it will not corrode and create a pin leak in the future..The biggest danger would be to disfigure or collapse the pipe - at present BP will attempt to put an ill fitting valve atop the leak - this is silly and leaves chance for error..I clearly see why these men are screwing up..no one within this company can grip the thought of closing up what they see is a perfectly good well...even if this well is worth trillions - what it will destroy by August can not be replaced and could in effect after time cause a domino effect that will collapse all of AMERICA - these are trouble times - no time to think of profits..there is none!

[Oleg Bach]

Good luck and God speed - I hope with all my heart that these people contain this monster.

[Oleg Bach]

Someone said that this was not political. Now the administration wants to contemplate "crimminal charges"...They have it ass backwards. To discuss this idea at present is much like a potential rape trial..they are talking about being tough and full of justice. Mean while as they are warning the rapist of up and coming crimminal charges..the rape is still in progress- If this was not the worst form of politcal posturing..They would be concentrating on stopping the rape before getting all lawyered up on the crimminal level..I suppose Obama is appealing to the base emotion of the public...manipulating the hate for BP factor instead of really dealing with the issue at hand.

The other part boarders on anti-christism--imagine denying the governor of Louisiana the right to dump a bit of dirt across an inlet in order to protect some valuable salt water marsh? What the hell is that about..sounds like this little prick is proving the conspriacy nuts correct...that he is out to collapse the nation. Obamas elequence is not worth a rats ass. All the poetic statements mean nothing because this lacky is nothing.

The well should be shut down with brute force and forget the "scientific" babble from some high priced acedemics who have never lifted a shovel in their lives and who live by theory alone. I also suspect that some religious nut some where in Britian with to much time and power on his or her hands - is attempting to act out revelations and making one third of the waters bitter- killing one third of the creatures along with one third of the people..who the hell knows how these lunitics think?

One thing for sure is that AMERICA might just be suffering from a very stong dellusion..and Obama is completely useless...In other words the system is on auto-pilot, and a bad mechanization at that! This is very serious- the administration is so inept that they are actually waging war on their own nation and not even knowing it...this is akin to a massive attack on the south end of the states..and they just stand there doing nothing- because money is their god. All the money in the world will not matter if there is no world to spend and enjoy it in.

When you make a deal with the mythical devil, it always ends badly. The devil always rips you off...and the world is watching as America shows how truely weak they are. They can not even defend their boarders or their own coast. BP- will now skim up the oil and continue to sell the shit that is coming from this whole--and the people that buy it are the same people that BP is destroying- time to rethink this addiction...do we really need a million cars sitting in grid lock burning fuel as our popuplation goes off the work and creates nothing- and their real job is burning fuel?

They system is to complex to manage. The sytem is broken- and now America will suffer another fracture as she stumbles and limps into this new century- where corruption - violence and deception rules..If Obama was truely the patron saint and father of the nation- he would protect the children ( citizens) _ He is like a father that allows his own offspring to be raped and plundered and destroyed--what a loser...and what a lost nation that has lost it's sense of survival.

[Oleg Bach]

Why is this in American politics? I had no idea an underwater explosion was political.

This is the most serious turn of events to date---it appears to be the begining of the end..corporately..environmentally and mentally--greed is a mental illness- I rest my case.

[Shady]

these so-called relief wells are NOT relief wells but NEW wells

That's what a relief well is. It's a new well, so that the oil can be diverted from the old one.

[Oleg Bach]

That's what a relief well is. It's a new well, so that the oil can be diverted from the old one.

Why should these nuts get anymore oil from this particular well? Do they deserve to turn a profit at this point? If someone pissed in my soup, I really would have trouble inviting them over for dinner the next time. The reason that this well was not seal immediately is because they put to much thought and effort into trying to retrieve their investment. This is very improper..when the CEO who is responsible says "I want my life back" - in the mean time his actions have taken the life away from millions of humans and living creatures - it just shows you these people are not responsive to what is right and good..they are maniacs and we should stop respecting those that do not respect us - The BP people look at the populace as expendable chattel - as they also look at nature..no oil for BP - the well could have been sealed immediately...relief wells are not necessary - an immediate shut down by any means was the right thing to do - they did the wrong thing.