British Petroleum....had better cough up the cash!

[Oleg Bach]

Big oil has a bad attitude and lacks human spirit. It's simple - they have the mindset of drug dealers - they are not a respectable lot..to say the least - stop respecting big bucks and empower yourself.

[Oleg Bach]

Big oil has a bad attitude and lacks human spirit. It's simple - they have the mindset of drug dealers - they are not a respectable lot..to say the least - stop respecting big bucks and empower yourself.

As per usual, I reply constantly to myself. If you want to know the true emotional and social values of a corporation go back to the founding company. British Petroleum among others - not pointing the single finger at these guys - got it's start way back as the British East Indian Trading Company.. The would go to the orient and bring back goods - it was very lucrative. One of them got to thinking " We send empty ships to the east and return them full of good. Why not double our profits and send full ships to the east and full ships back again." That was the start of the drug trade on an industrial level..The Brits along with others would dock along the way and load up with very cheap opium - and disperse it at the end of the route - addition took hold..and then prices went up - much like the price of modern fuel.

The people that par took in dope were not your average young men and woman - the were usually the bright and the curious...young people that were potential leaders...millions did not fulfill their full potential - and genetically speaking millions did not pass on their gifts to offspring..and the genetic pool went into crisis...I swear that this is what opened the door to communism in China...that all the intelligent persons had been destroyed and all that was left were the drone working types. THIS worked out well for the Brits and others..Now western capitalist could finance socialism and create a huge slave state of drones that could be easily manipulated - and great enrichment took place for the Brits - and others.

China has a long memory and those bright enough to see the big picture hold the west in contempt for this. They figured that if you can do that to our children we will do it to yours - hence opium and other products were sent to the west coast of America - it was about 1949 when the drug war began. A type of socialism was taking place in America - and eventually by the 70's those stupid hippies arrived..and drugs slowly gained more power over our youth..millions of bright young people did not reach their full potential and leadership suffered in the long run - instead of the brightest moving to the top of the business and political game - the mediocre took charge - and as we see they are a push over for those at BP "and others" ....

AMERICA is fully addicted to oil - drugs - booze and perversity in the form of unhealthy sex..and bastards grow rich as we perish............"My people parish for lack of knowledge".

BP and others....still have this elitist attitude and actually have laundered their own sense of values to the point that they believe they are good guys --- put it this way - when a person enriches themselves through the weakness of other - It is a parasitic relationship - we are the host and they are the blood suckers - as said before - they are not that smart - but they are also addicted to status and luxury along with a sense of eternal entitlement.

BP really are out of touch with reality - much like former President Bush and Cheney were..the forget their foundations and where they actually came from - Bush came from a family that sold weapons to the Nazis - and those weapons killed AMERICANS..the enrichment that took place created not one but two Presidents - just as the cursed Kennedy's sold booze and damaged the poor...what goes around comes around and now BP will finally reveal itself for what it is to the dismay of the share holders and CEOs.

[GostHacked]

Then stop acting like one.

I'll probably get a ban for this but I really don't fucking care anymore.

Shady. I'll say this once. Go fuck yourself. You call everyone an idiot and it is about time you stop. Every time you call someone an idiot, I end up glazing over your comments because nothing after 'idiot' is not worth reading anymore from you.

Tinfoil hat alert!

If they wanted to stop it they would have.

Actually, the longer the oil flows, the more money BP owes. It hasn't made one penny on any of the oil that's flowed into the ocean. Use your brain. If they could have so easily stopped this leak at the beginning, they would have done so. Because it would have only taken a few months for them to tap the oil reserve again, after the leak had been stopped. It's common sense.

Common sense is something you seriously lack. They are making every attempt to salvage the operation, not stop it. They want the oil to continue flowing so they wont have to build another well. At least this way they can still make a recovery and the well can be a profit in the future. With this recent incident, they may not get another chance to drill a well in the same location. Those regulations might just get enforced now. But I doubt it.

Yeah, why did not Bush enforce the regulations? It's all the Obama's fault is it not? Idiot. The oil is still spilling.

You know, you people are getting quite annoying. You advocate policy that makes drilling for oil and natural gas more and more difficult. You essentially push drilling farther and farther offshore, in more risky circumstances. You set up regulations that inhibit the development of engineering and technology that can clean up leaks and spills. And then when something inevitably goes wrong, you throw your hands up and yell "see, see, told you bad stuff was going to happen." All the while, still driving your cars, and using your petroleum produced products, such as televisions and computers.

Regulations need to be enforced on the oil companies. BP has had a history of violating many regulations. The oil refinery that BP owned in Huston Texas that blew up in 2005 is a prime example of BPs track record. Yes enforcement needs to be done, and you can blame the government for not enforcing the regulations. ALL administrations share this responsibility.

You people really are the scum of the earth. :angry:

See first statement. Spill baby Spill.

[Oleg Bach]

Soon as you lose your temper and are a victim to emotionalism - they win - that's how the world is controlled..stimulate the mass to emotion - love - hate - anger and they are played like a violin. BPs adds are emotional...and their damage control system is not working...As if BP is going to make it right. They do not have the will or character to right a wrong. IF YOU want to join the billionare sect - you had better be prepared to bring harm upon the masses or you will never get hired.

[GostHacked]

Soon as you lose your temper and are a victim to emotionalism - they win - that's how the world is controlled..stimulate the mass to emotion - love - hate - anger and they are played like a violin. BPs adds are emotional...and their damage control system is not working...As if BP is going to make it right. They do not have the will or character to right a wrong. IF YOU want to join the billionare sect - you had better be prepared to bring harm upon the masses or you will never get hired.

Sometimes it feels good to vent. And it's Shady, so I am not gonna lose sleep over it.

[Oleg Bach]

Sometimes it feels good to vent. And it's Shady, so I am not gonna lose sleep over it.

Don't think that it is really venting - when I lose it, it is more light righteous indignation. We all have the power to generate great wrath. The most important thing as you mature is to know when to use the big guns. Give Shady a broadside and be rid of him..as for swearing a destructive oath with words like f*ck etc..don't bother - It sounds like a desperate threat to intimidate - never threaten - either destroy the guy verbally in one swoop-- or don't bother...When a person is communicating and he sheilds himself in a lie..look for the one pin hole opening..that is usually counter logic..then stick the pin in and give it a twist - there is you lesson in deviant manipulation..send the cheaque via wire.

[Shady]

Hey Oleg, you never answered the questions.

Hey Oleg. I see that you continue to use your petroleum products as well!

Who knows. Maybe the computer you use to post in this forum was made from oil extracted from an offshore well! Why don't you help out our great earth. Stop using the internet. Stop using your computer. Lower the demand for oil and all of the products produced from it. Come'on Oleg. For the earth! Why are you being so greedy?

[GostHacked]

Hey Oleg, you never answered the questions.

Red Herring.

[bloodyminded]

Hey Oleg, you never answered the questions.

I understand this quesiton, and I think it deserves a serious answer:

We all have to live in this world; it is not reasonable to suppose a person should utterly cut himself off from society in order to avoid its evils or its benefits.

Really, your charge is Oleg's hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of anyone who agrees with Oleg (as I sometimes do). That's an understandable charge; but in fact, there's no way to totally free oneself from such hypocrisies, if that's what they are. You, Shady, have personally and profoundly benefitted from the so-called "welfare state"....we all have.

That doesn't mean you should move to some anarchic hellhole.

But neither does it mean you should stop criticizing what your principles tell you to criticize.

There are hypocrisies that are too monumental to be accepted. Say Saddam Hussein was denouncing military aggression; or Mugabe was complaining about dictatorships. OK, that's hypocrisy too obviosu to ignore.

But when it comes to ordinary folks, benefitting from our system and yet criticizing it...I don't see that as truly wanton hypocrisy. There's no easy way out of it, and we're all responsible for it in some way or other, so there's no sense in accusing Oleg or anyone else of the same things we're all "guilty" of, if indeed guilt is the right word.

[Oleg Bach]

Red Herring.

Big red herring and a straw man argument..I don't have a phone - nor do I have any luxury items - the computer belongs to a family member..and if it was to disappear immediately - I do not give a shit. With no petroleum product at my finger tips I would not have to respond to Shady..who it seems is a very irritating little man to cowardly to make a stand for anything..talk about people with out thought or purpose...I suppose that if it were not the plastic contained in the computer - SHADY would attack me for drinking out of a plastic water bottle two months ago..Shady my friend - give me a clean bed and a spartan existence and I will be fine - YOU on the other hand are product.

[Oleg Bach]

I understand this quesiton, and I think it deserves a serious answer:

We all have to live in this world; it is not reasonable to suppose a person should utterly cut himself off from society in order to avoid its evils or its benefits.

Really, your charge is Oleg's hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of anyone who agrees with Oleg (as I sometimes do). That's an understandable charge; but in fact, there's no way to totally free oneself from such hypocrisies, if that's what they are. You, Shady, have personally and profoundly benefitted from the so-called "welfare state"....we all have.

That doesn't mean you should move to some anarchic hellhole.

But neither does it mean you should stop criticizing what your principles tell you to criticize.

There are hypocrisies that are too monumental to be accepted. Say Saddam Hussein was denouncing military aggression; or Mugabe was complaining about dictatorships. OK, that's hypocrisy too obviosu to ignore.

But when it comes to ordinary folks, benefitting from our system and yet criticizing it...I don't see that as truly wanton hypocrisy. There's no easy way out of it, and we're all responsible for it in some way or other, so there's no sense in accusing Oleg or anyone else of the same things we're all "guilty" of, if indeed guilt is the right word.

I Have not driven a car in over three years - and I have not had any disposable cash in 10 years- I live hand to mouth - People on the street imagine that I am wealthy - I just look rich.. The system has used me as a proto-type - a man that survives on 6000 dollars a year.. But I am a clever boy and have up until lately always managed to rent nice country estates just before they go are sold..I lived like a king all my life - because I do not worship money or big oil or anyone..even God has his doubts about my loyalty.

[Oleg Bach]

I do not want to every hear the word democracy ever again. This ruse of freedom is tiresome and insulting. Private concerns control our legal system - hence a shadow government of sorts. Private people control our government - hence a shadow government..and private people who are unelected control our energy supply..our blood flow. Hence a shadow government - If private un-elected officals run the show..let them step out and run for office. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY...SO lets get honest and come out of the power closet. It is now a short matter of time that the average person will understand they are dupes..and once the dupe wakes up..a natural revolution takes place..rich is not forever nor is poor.

[Oleg Bach]

B P have now taken on the role of educators..whether they like it or not - that which is whispered in the darkness will eventually be proclaimed from the roof tops - and no matter what BP does...they are now yelling at the top of their lungs...NOTHING they do or say will hide the fact that their power has suddenly left along with their line of credit - They that were not steward of the earth thought they could dominate the earth - and now the earth has shoved it's black fist right down their throats...and they cry out...I have not drank the blood of the earth - yet their chins are dripping oil..good luck BP and I hope you come to your senses.

[GostHacked]

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/07/senator-nelson-says-bp-well-integrity-may-be-blown/

Looks like even drilling a relief well is not going to help the situation.

A couple more months at least !!!

That well needs to be blown and let collapse on itself.

[Oleg Bach]

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/07/senator-nelson-says-bp-well-integrity-may-be-blown/

Looks like even drilling a relief well is not going to help the situation.

A couple more months at least !!!

That well needs to be blown and let collapse on itself.

You keep the food seperate from the toxins.. that is the basic rule of survival. To blow the well and let it supposedly collapse on it self would release the whole under ground reserve..this would be a total disaster and destroy the whole gulf if not taint and injure the full extent of the Atlantic..The oil guys approach this problem like oil guys..Too much technology..to many high paid experts.

Oil men are not that best at stopping this thing - they are experts at getting the oil but have no expertise what so ever in putting it back - people fail to realize that - private concerns must do the job - these socialist capitalist types are not equipped mentally to do the work.

Bring in an expert engineer that builds bridges--who is expert in pouring concrete under water..remove that silly cap with the stupid vents---BPs problem is that too many "experts" are trying to make a big buck with to much space age technology.

Place a large crib around the whole whole under water sight - the kind that is used for river bridge foundations. Lower a huge plumb bob made of lead - a cone...place it partially in the opening of the pipe - the oil and gas will vent around the partially inserted cone... Then pour the concrete almost up to the level to the opening of the pipe//

Allow the concrete to partially set so it can give some support to the pipe before the cone is fully lowered, you do not want to collapse the the opening...

Finally......lower the heavey lead cone...fulling into the opening - and pour concrete like hell - and have ships on hand to pour more and more.. YOU HAVE TO BURY THIS MONSTER ALIVE - YOU DO NOT TOY WITH SUCH A DANGEROUS THING.

[Oleg Bach]

You keep the food seperate from the toxins.. that is the basic rule of survival. To blow the well and let it supposedly collapse on it self would release the whole under ground reserve..this would be a total disaster and destroy the whole gulf if not taint and injure the full extent of the Atlantic..The oil guys approach this problem like oil guys..Too much technology..to many high paid experts.

Oil men are not that best at stopping this thing - they are experts at getting the oil but have no expertise what so ever in putting it back - people fail to realize that - private concerns must do the job - these socialist capitalist types are not equipped mentally to do the work.

Bring in an expert engineer that builds bridges--who is expert in pouring concrete under water..remove that silly cap with the stupid vents---BPs problem is that too many "experts" are trying to make a big buck with to much space age technology.

Place a large crib around the whole whole under water sight - the kind that is used for river bridge foundations. Lower a huge plumb bob made of lead - a cone...place it partially in the opening of the pipe - the oil and gas will vent around the partially inserted cone... Then pour the concrete almost up to the level to the opening of the pipe//

Allow the concrete to partially set so it can give some support to the pipe before the cone is fully lowered, you do not want to collapse the the opening...

Finally......lower the heavey lead cone...fulling into the opening - and pour concrete like hell - and have ships on hand to pour more and more.. YOU HAVE TO BURY THIS MONSTER ALIVE - YOU DO NOT TOY WITH SUCH A DANGEROUS THING.

What I have shown above is simple - low tech - in fact no tech at all. It will work..keep it simple stupid - to see those gadgets that look like they are made to sent to Mars will not work..this is earth - NOT Mars...What BP and Obama and the rest of those rats want is a nicely capped well - and another well beside it - they simply are to stubborn to give up the find..

This is ultimate greed - it is like a pig that is eating- it vomits as it eats - it is shitting while it eats..yet it keeps eating- greed is a form of mental illness--- we at present have mentally ill people trying to "contain" this well--not kill it...these people will end up killing all of us in the long run if they are not controlled- Obama is an oil man- just like the rest of them..and he is not that bright...he does not see the big picture.

[Oleg Bach]

A dead sea or ocean is exactly like a barren waste land- Imagine if all of the plain states where wheat and corn are grown were suddenly laid waste by an oil spill----just because you can not see the bottom of the sea - you assume that it does not matter..It is as important as the land.

[Oleg Bach]

SOMEONE who knows how should send my idea to BP - most ideas sent are by cut throat opportunist and inventors trying to get rich with their silly inventions..jam that frinking thing shut and bury it in cement... get it over with before we all regret it including BP. This incident will destroy the oil industry......................

By the way I walked across the bridge on Queen that hovers above the Don Valley Parkway - four lanes of traffic stopped in grid lock - all engines burning fuel..all persons going no where in a totally non-productive wasteful manner..this exists all over the world - billions of barrels of oil - wasted - we should immediately focus on and fix this problem - we are killing ourselves because we are not attempting to find a way of making oil useful - we waste about 90 percent of it - If we used only 10 percent wisely it would be a sustainable source of power and energy...it is the waste that is the problem. If used properly - profits might be down but the standard of living and the quality of natural life would go up. Think of it - billions of people who like snails dawn these machines like shells and just sit there going at a snails pass or less.

[GostHacked]

BP has had challenges before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/09/ap-impact-bps-error-prone-spill-response-plans-overstate-preparedness/

BP PLC's 582-page regional spill plan for the Gulf, and its 52-page, site-specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon rig are riddled with omissions and glaring errors, according to an Associated Press analysis that details how BP officials have pretty much been making it up as they go along. The lengthy plans approved by the federal government last year before BP drilled its ill-fated well vastly understate the dangers posed by an uncontrolled leak and vastly overstate the company's preparedness to deal with one.

Criminal negligence here folks.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/06/08/ac.steve.gordon.intv.cnn?hpt=C2

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=related;photovideo

[Oleg Bach]

BP has had challenges before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/09/ap-impact-bps-error-prone-spill-response-plans-overstate-preparedness/

Criminal negligence here folks.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/06/08/ac.steve.gordon.intv.cnn?hpt=C2

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=related;photovideo

Everyone assumes because the struggle to make money to eek out an existence that those at the top of the heap - eg. BP oil are much more clever - more smart or more wise and deserve this place of entitlement high up on the food chain. Evidently they are probably less smart than the average person.

As far as neglect and criminal negligence...when the BP boy said "I want my life back" shows that he is very un-empathic and is not aware of his natural and human surroundings - that he neglects them..as if in a world of his own. That might be criminal or it might be plain stupid.

[Oleg Bach]

Put me in charge and I would have had the leak plugged two weeks ago - but nobody listens to a nobody..and we are all nobodies in the eyes of BP and others like them.

[Oleg Bach]

Gee, I wonder if the gas prices will go up again because of the oil spill, we all know it doesn`t take much for a reason for them to do it!!

Interest is slipping away already as far as this crisis is concerned...but it will come back when prices go up as BP have us pay the expenses for their error.

[Oleg Bach]

It is an out of sight out of mind solution. Sweep the filth under the carpet. The use of "dispersants" is shameful - tons and tons of poison is hovering under the waves and tons more settle to the bottom to kill all living things creating an under water waste land...Dispersants should never have been used - It would be better to keep the stuff floating so you can clean it up - BP should be sent down to the bottom to sit in a chamber and have a British pop tune played into their ears for eternity - like Yellow Submarine for instance.

For every drop BP cleans up there will be a barrel on the bottom - just because they hid the bulk of the spill does not mean that they are good guys..also the use of certain chemicals that are banned in their homeland they used here..It is like a mother telling the kid not to spray the insecticide in the house - so the kid goes next door and sprays it in the neighbors house.

ALL deep sea drilling should be banned - all of these wells will eventually leak - if not now now then in ten years if not in ten then in one hundred years - and if not them - then eventually in 500 years - ALL will cough up their poison in time...BP is not concerned about the future or future generations - The gulf deposits are capable of destroying all sea life on the planet..and they will _ metal rusts..it comes apart but oil is forever..and oil flows with ease.

The solution is to create a system where oil is used in moderation - in a sustainable way. NOT used in a reckless profiteering manner that knows no bounds.. YOU can not take something that has been buried deep in the ground for millions of years and release it all into the sky - eventually the sky will become the ground and we will be buried alive. IT is a matter of time before this type of blind greed destroys the world..

There was a time when my sky was a deep beautiful blue - now on some days it is very pale and lifeless ..this is the effects of oil..

AS MENTIONED EARLIER - WHEN YOU SEE GRIDLOCK - THOUSANDS OF IDLE MACHINES - GOING NO WHERE BURNING FUEL..AND THIS IS GOING ON EVERYDAY IN THOUSANDS OF CITIES AROUND THE WORLD..IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THE HELL PB AND OTHERS ARE THINKING?

Imagine a very hot day in summer...air conditioners are running full blast and every person in the world has all their doors and windows open - or in reverse it is winter and all doors and windows are open. This is a case of bad management...we all think that power comes out of the wall from no where - that it comes out of the pumps from some eternal supply...there are limits in a closed environ - we live on a sphere..with a thin coating of atmosphere .....life is delicate..fragile - conditions have to be perfect - BP and other and ourselves do not realize that we can wipe ourselves out in the next two generations..we will either be cooked alive of freeze alive or both.

OIL is good - it is like a fine stake - but you can not eat it three times a day. OIL is also a lifeless product - it is dead - and if you eat dead you become dead.

We must stop respecting the rich and powerful..as if they are gods..those on the Gulf coast are now complaining about job loss through BP - what good is a job if you do not have a quality of life - America is fat - and unhealthy - let them live a more natural life - cos' artifical energy is killing them.

[Oleg Bach]

I guess destruction of the planet in part is old news - oh well -life goes on - but for how long?

[Oleg Bach]

Who is going to clean up the bottom of the sea? Who is going to go and collect up all the droplets and raging plumes and bottom sludge that is smothering the feeding grounds? Who - NO ONE! The idea of making oil neutral in weight chemically ,so it hovers not at the top and not at the bottom is a crazy idea but it works - for BP..

Dispersing the oil is really criminal, BP believes as long as the stuff does not come into contrast with the white sands of the beaches is that it is cleaned up ---someone should do a study on how many times oil companies have used chemicals to simply sink oil spills and hide them..there may have been thousands of minor spills where BP and others have in effect just dumped the oil in effect and sank it..probably done at night - It is illegal at sea to dump poisons over board - but I bet it is done all the time under the guise of that fancy word DISPERSE.

There may be millions of tons through out the gulf that is laying on the bottom to deep to notice - UNTIL A STUDY IS DONE ON HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DISPERSED SINCE THE GULF WENT INTO DEVELOPEMENT..ALL DEEP DRILLING SHOULD BE STOPPED - THE WHOLE DEEPER SECTION OF THE GULF MIGHT BE ONE MASS OF OIL ALL READY.