betsy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) So! He was also the first person to propose putting communications satellites in geosynchronous orbits, back in 1946. But I guess you know more about science than he did! And you say.... "SO!" The way you said it, there shouldn't be any question about it! You make it sound he is an authority on the ...whaaaat was that again? How the aliens will look like? ...that's it's gonna be exactly the way he described it! And what's so funny is you're so serious about it! Edited May 27, 2009 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Speaking of aliens....why is it that it's always assumed they will be more advanced and civilized than us??? Unless they've made initial contact with us, why can't we assume that chances are, they could also be primitive? Seriously...can anyone explain? I'm just curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Arthur C. Clarke has/had a degree in mathematics and physics as well as being a radar specialist in WW2 (Battle of Britian). A qualified engineer/scientist if need be. You can thank Clarke for cable/satellite TV as it was he who figured out Geo-stationary orbits. His writings are more science fact than science fiction as a good number of his predictions have come true. Edited May 27, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Speaking of aliens....why is it that it's always assumed they will be more advanced and civilized than us??? Unless they've made initial contact with us, why can't we assume that chances are, they could also be primitive?Seriously...can anyone explain? I'm just curious... because we have been around for a very short period of time essentially at the beginning of our time on the planet let's say 100K, so were still babies...I'm no math smarty but I'll bet statistically most intelligent species will either be very advanced, we're still at the beginner stage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Speaking of aliens....why is it that it's always assumed they will be more advanced and civilized than us??? Unless they've made initial contact with us, why can't we assume that chances are, they could also be primitive?Seriously...can anyone explain? I'm just curious... This should be an easy one for anyone to figure out. We can't exactly do insterstellar travel at this time. We have a real problem with even getting back to the moon. So if we are to meet any aliens, the most likely scenario is that they would be coming to us instead. And since we have not met any yet, it is nothing but speculation of what they will look like or how they will act or even what their make up is (like carbon based, or silicone based or whatever based). Logical people understand this. If they are primitave, they are either in the same technological state as we are, or less so. They can't get off their rock as we can't travel too far from our own rock. DogonPorch You can thank Clarke for cable/satellite TV as it was he who figured out Geo-stationary orbits. His writings are more science fact than science fiction as a good number of his predictions have come true. You can thank many scifi writers with contributuions in practical science. Most hard sci-fi writters have degrees in science and mathmatics. Now we must let the others know about the two genres. Hard sci-fi can get really technical on the math and physics and whatnot and that is used to create the story line and add to it. Soft sci-fi is just a great story in a sci-fi world without all the technical descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Speaking of aliens....why is it that it's always assumed they will be more advanced and civilized than us??? Unless they've made initial contact with us, why can't we assume that chances are, they could also be primitive?Seriously...can anyone explain? I'm just curious... Nobody has claimed any or all xeno-civilizations would be more advanced than ours. As I mention in my profile... My best guess...Chance of life on other planets: 99.999% Chance of life within 50 light years: 75% Chance of intelligent life within 50 light years: 0.0000001% Chance of intelligent life within 50 light years AND existing in the same time frame as us: 0.00000000001% ...or something to that effect. There's a formula known as the Drake Equation which tried for a ballpark figure re: chances of life on other planets; but even it has to be revised due to planets being far more common than first speculated. NASA/JPL's Kepler mission (launched 03/2009) is a probe designed to pick out Earth sized planets and smaller around distant stars by measuring changes in luminosity (transit method) or various other measurable data sets. It should increase the number of known exo-planetary systems by many fold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_Mission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoplanets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_method http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation Finding xeno-civilizations of any kind isn't going to be easy. Having at least discovered radio would be one of the major thresholds re: detecting said civilization. Then you must factor in general relativity re: how long it takes for the signal to reach Earth. Surely even you have seen "Contact". For all we know...a signal was already sent and we missed it...(see SETI program). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI Edited May 27, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 So, if we happen to encounter an intelligent civilization, would this prove evolution? Because for ID to work, aka creationism aka god, it seems that for what the bible teaches us, that we are created in the image of god. Can he have more than one pet? You would also wonder if there was religion among those out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 So, if we happen to encounter an intelligent civilization, would this prove evolution? Because for ID to work, aka creationism aka god, it seems that for what the bible teaches us, that we are created in the image of god. Can he have more than one pet? You would also wonder if there was religion among those out there. Indeed. This is why I mentioned that a Creationist should be worried as to why 'God' is still making new stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Those figures mean nothing...Some say that the sun will not go out for billions of years - and some say that it could go out in the next second - both are possible... no one really knows for sure - some say there are millions of life forms all over the universe because it is endless and so vast - that there MUST be others - that is possible - and it is also just as possible we are the only ones - and if we were - we would respect the planet more - and love humanity more.. ..with the increased and popular belief in aliens or extra-terrestrials - comes a lessening of respect for our home and world and global family - less attention is paid to the starving and suffering of children - because our egg heads are so selfish that a facination with the unknown is more powerful than a facination of the known - They care more for a dead rock in space than a starving village - that they think is expendable ---- If some of these delluded egg heads were asked the the question " Do we fund health care better and take care of our suffering - or do we take that money and invest in in Nassa - they pick Nassa - because they are jerks - nerds that are more interested in machines than humans..more interested in comic book characters they call "greys" - more interested in a flash of light in the sky then stopping the last flash of light excaping a dieing human - it's a disgrace - How can we think about what is outside our home when your family is suffering and in need - are they nuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Those figures mean nothing...Some say that the sun will not go out for billions of years - and some say that it could go out in the next second - both are possible Wrong. Stellar eveolution is well understood. Just because YOU don't have a clue doesn't mean something isn't understood. Your ignorance on the subject isn't an excuse...nor evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Ok, I have found those vids. Basicly the Id supporters say to not trust a guy in a lab coat (because that makes you have the smarts) or anyone with a phd in any science field. But, alas here is a chemist in a lab coat for creationism. So, maybe they are right, lab coats are not to be trusted. Here is the Kent Hovind wannabe. Althought he does not have Kent's stage presence or charisma .. but they do have a good hint of smarmyness. The earth is 6000 years old. Dinosaurs!!! xekul's respone is gold. These so called sessions, conferences ect ect ect ect .... it seems like they got a lot of people together to make these flicks. They were made in a little town in Mexico I LOVE THIS CLIP !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs...feature=related I know what ya can do with the banana !! It fits there too. I guess. Um ... I wonder what they have to say about .. squash, watermellons. coconuts. Those don't fit in my hands very well. If god were smart he would have made all the different fruits the same shape like a banana. Biblical Fail? HOW BIG did the Ark have to be to hold all the animal pairs and food to survive the Flood? I heard that they did not need to bring seed on board. How long would fruit last on a 40 day 40 night flood? Questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Are you asserting that Socrates was a epistemological nihilist? Socrates knew one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 So, if we happen to encounter an intelligent civilization, would this prove evolution? Because for ID to work, aka creationism aka god, it seems that for what the bible teaches us, that we are created in the image of god. Can he have more than one pet? You would also wonder if there was religion among those out there. I didn't see anything in the Bible that says we are the only ones created by God. Or that we're the only ones created in His image. Who knows, He could've done the same thing in another galaxy...and it's possible that there is religion there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) So, if we happen to encounter an intelligent civilization, would this prove evolution? A more revealing question is: if science happen to create new life forms, would not this prove creation? Edited May 28, 2009 by benny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 A more revealing question is: if science happen to create new life forms, would not this prove creation? Very good - and if mere mortal scientist can be that creative - that would make them creationists - and if we can be creationist - we can not bar God from the same process---that would be like us taking the place of God and out lawing all competion - which is God - maybe those that are atheists and haters of creationism do it our of sheer evious contention....ohhh I get it -----secularist - evolutionist are just wanna be creationists - so I was right - they DO want to play God ---- interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 A more revealing question is: if science happen to create new life forms, would not this prove creation? If a tree falls in the.................................blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I didn't see anything in the Bible that says we are the only ones created by God. Or that we're the only ones created in His image. Who knows, He could've done the same thing in another galaxy...and it's possible that there is religion there too. Yeah it's possible that right now in a galaxy far far away (3 million light years) god created the universe 6000 years ago....but personally in the multiverse we all know the world sits on the back of A'tuin the great cosmic turtle http://www.ie.lspace.org/books/whos-who/atuin.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 A more revealing question is: if science happen to create new life forms, would not this prove creation? No..if Uri Geller created life....maybe....but even then chance are it's a grift to fleece suckers like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 A serpent tempted Eve, who was aware of the prohibition, to eat the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (Genesis 3:1-6). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) A serpent tempted Eve, who was aware of the prohibition, to eat the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (Genesis 3:1-6). In the begining there was only chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared. Then Erebus slept with Night, who gave birth to Ether, the heavenly light, and to Day the earthly light. Then Night alone produced Doom, Fate, Death, Sleep, Dreams, Nemesis, and others that come to man out of darkness. Meanwhile Gaea alone gave birth to Uranus, the heavens. Uranus became Gaea's mate covering her on all sides. Together they produced the three Cyclopes, the three Hecatoncheires, and twelve Titans. However, Uranus was a bad father and husband. He hated the Hecatoncheires. He imprisoned them by pushing them into the hidden places of the earth, Gaea's womb. This angered Gaea and she ploted against Uranus. She made a flint sickle and tried to get her children to attack Uranus. All were too afraid except, the youngest Titan, Cronus. Gaea and Cronus set up an ambush of Uranus as he lay with Gaea at night. Cronus grabed his father and castrated him, with the stone sickle, throwing the severed genitales into the ocean. The fate of Uranus is not clear. He either died, withdrew from the earth, or exiled himself to Italy. As he departed he promised that Cronus and the Titans would be punished. From his spilt blood came the Giants, the Ash Tree Nymphs, and the Erinnyes. From the sea foam where his genitales fell came Aphrodite. Cronus became the next ruler. He imprisoned the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires in Tartarus. He married his sister Rhea, under his rule the Titans had many offspring. He ruled for many ages. However, Gaea and Uranus both had prophesied that he would be overthrown by a son. To avoid this Cronus swallowed each of his children as they were born. Rhea was angry at the treatment of the children and ploted against Cronus. When it came time to give birth to her sixth child, Rhea hid herself, then she left the child to be raised by nymphs. To concel her act she wrapped a stone in swaddling cloths and passed it off as the baby to Cronus, who swallowed it. This child was Zeus. He grew into a handsome youth on Crete. He consulted Metis on how to defeat Cronus. She prepaired a drink for Cronus design to make him vomit up the other children. Rhea convinced Cronus to accept his son and Zeus was allowed to return to Mount Olympus as Cronus's cupbearer. This gave Zeus the oportunity to slip Cronus the specially prepaired drink. This worked as planned and the other five children were vomitted up. Being gods they were unharmed. They were thankful to Zeus and made him their leader. Cronus was yet to be defeated. He and the Titans, except Prometheus, Epimetheus, and Oceanus, fought to retain their power. Atlas became their leader in battle and it looked for some time as though they would win and put the young gods down. However, Zeus was cunning. He went down to Tartarus and freed the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires. Prometheus joined Zeus as well. He returned to battle with his new allies. The Cyclopes provided Zeus with lighting bolts for weapons. The Hecatoncheires he set in ambush armed with boulders. With the time right, Zeus retreated drawing the Titans into the Hecatoncheires's ambush. The Hecatoncheires rained down hundreds of boulders with such a fury the Titans thought the mountains were falling on them. They broke and ran giving Zeus victory. Zeus exiled the Titans who had fought against him into Tartarus. Except for Atlas, who was singled out for the special punishment of holding the world on his shoulders. However, even after this victory Zeus was not safe. Gaea angry that her children had been imprisoned gave birth to a last offspring, Typhoeus. Typhoeus was so fearsome that most of the gods fled. However, Zeus faced the monster and flinging his lighting bolts was able to kill it. Typhoeus was burried under Mount Etna in Sicily. Much later a final challenge to Zeus rule was made by the Giants. They went so far as to attempt to invade Mount Olympus, piling mountain upon mountain in an effort to reach the top. But, the gods had grown strong and with the help of Heracles the Giants were subdued or killed. Edited May 28, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 So much fine creativity up here on the part of the Greeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 So much fine creativity up here on the part of the Greeks. All true, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 All true, too. The Christian truth (called revelation) is that myths are teaching tools to achieve peace through sacrifices of innocent victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The Christian truth (called revelation) is that myths are teaching tools to achieve peace through sacrifices of innocent victims. Burning the witches: November 4th, 1585, Baden Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 And you say.... "SO!" The way you said it, there shouldn't be any question about it! You make it sound he is an authority on the ...whaaaat was that again? How the aliens will look like? How carefully do you read, before responding to a post? I'm still trying to figure out how you conflate satellites in geosynchronous orbit with aliens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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