jdobbin Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcJn5XlbSFk I'll let this speak for itself. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Would it be funnier if that lovable Jon Stewart lampooned Canada instead....oh wait...he did! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shakeyhands Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Funny, at least thats what I assume it was supposed to be. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
waldo Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Would it be funnier if that lovable Jon Stewart lampooned Canada instead....oh wait...he did! Fox f’tards – schlock talk show… that they punted Rachel Mardsen from their cast of half-wits speaks volumes. if you’re talking about Jon Stewart’s segment on Harper’s perogy move, that was quite well done, quite fair and quite funny… really nothing spiteful or “mean-spirited”. coming off the news from today, that Fox segment… reinforces the ever-lovin sterotype of the arrogant, insular, blustering right-wing a-holes that eat-up the Fox network drivel. 4 Canadian soldiers killed, 8 wounded in Kandahar Quote
jdobbin Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) if you’re talking about Jon Stewart’s segment on Harper’s perogy move, that was quite well done, quite fair and quite funny… really nothing spiteful or “mean-spirited”. Stewart's show is a comedy show. I didn't realize that the FOX show was supposed to be a parody or comedy show. Since it on the news network, I thought it was a news show. coming off the news from today, that Fox segment… reinforces the ever-lovin sterotype of the arrogant, insular, blustering right-wing a-holes that eat-up the Fox network drivel. I think it probably shows that some Americans of a right wing persuasion don't know Canada is in Afghanistan and don't appreciate the contribution. I think it should put to rest the argument that Harper made that Canada's involvement earns respect and recognition The mission may be many things but it doesn't register with those on FOX who think Canada hasn't done anything. Edited March 21, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcJn5XlbSFkI'll let this speak for itself. 116 of our bravest are now dead and about 300 wounded in action. And these trollops all laugh it off. "nap", "pedicures" and mentions of "capri pants" by a bunch of ignorant, coddled and immature faux Americans who hide behind and laugh at the sacrifices of those at the sharp end. To a person, that panal isn't worth the oxygen they consume. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 A few loud, obnoxious idiots poking fun at our military doesn't bother me. What does bother me is a belief that is widely shared to the point where it has become common wisdom among large segments of the population on both sides of the border. This belief is that the US's oversized, overpriced military has kept us (and Western Europe) safe. This is one of those nuggets of common knowledge that is only believable until you think about it. What is it they think they are protecting us from? Vietnam? Panama? Korea? Iraq? Give me strength. The main basis for our security are oceans between us and the rest of the world. Imagine you live in a town with no police force. The house next door is occupied by a bunch of guys armed to the teeth. These guys resist every effort to get a police force and insist that things have to be done "their way". It seems like they're always fighting with other people in town and it's always the other guy's fault. They've attacked you before but that was a long time ago. Now, they insist they're your buddies. Does living next to these guys make you feel safe? The fact is that the view of America as defender of the free world is isn't shared by most of the people they claim to be protecting. Most of the world sees the U.S. as a rogue nation trying to impose its own views on the world. Americans themselves, of course, are sheltered from those views by a compliant media that has long ago stopped questioning the government or the basic view of the US as a force for good. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
DrGreenthumb Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 A few loud, obnoxious idiots poking fun at our military doesn't bother me. What does bother me is a belief that is widely shared to the point where it has become common wisdom among large segments of the population on both sides of the border. This belief is that the US's oversized, overpriced military has kept us (and Western Europe) safe. This is one of those nuggets of common knowledge that is only believable until you think about it. What is it they think they are protecting us from? Vietnam? Panama? Korea? Iraq? Give me strength. The main basis for our security are oceans between us and the rest of the world. Imagine you live in a town with no police force. The house next door is occupied by a bunch of guys armed to the teeth. These guys resist every effort to get a police force and insist that things have to be done "their way". It seems like they're always fighting with other people in town and it's always the other guy's fault. They've attacked you before but that was a long time ago. Now, they insist they're your buddies. Does living next to these guys make you feel safe? The fact is that the view of America as defender of the free world is isn't shared by most of the people they claim to be protecting. Most of the world sees the U.S. as a rogue nation trying to impose its own views on the world. Americans themselves, of course, are sheltered from those views by a compliant media that has long ago stopped questioning the government or the basic view of the US as a force for good. Amen brother. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Fox is the dumbest network on the planet. It's basically an extension of the idiotic far right of the Republican party. At least on a good note it's an embarrassment even to the average American but who the hell cares what Fox says? Everyone knows it's a freaking joke. Fox has no credibility. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 It's basically an extension of the idiotic far right of the Republican party. At least on a good note it's an embarrassment even to the average American but who the hell cares what Fox says? Everyone knows it's a freaking joke. Except for the advertisers and ratings..... Fox has no credibility. Sure...just ask Dan Rather. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Stewart's show is a comedy show. I didn't realize that the FOX show was supposed to be a parody or comedy show. Since it on the news network, I thought it was a news show. Fox's "Red Eye" is not a hard news show.....it is comedy...and written that way. I think it probably shows that some Americans of a right wing persuasion don't know Canada is in Afghanistan and don't appreciate the contribution. I think it should put to rest the argument that Harper made that Canada's involvement earns respect and recognition OK...then that would apply to the original Liberal Party decision as well. The mission but be many things but it doesn't register with those on FOX who think Canada hasn't done anything. Perhaps.....just as some Canadians think of the United States...like Heather Mallick and the CBC. Turnabout is fair play. Edited March 21, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 What does bother me is a belief that is widely shared to the point where it has become common wisdom among large segments of the population on both sides of the border. This belief is that the US's oversized, overpriced military has kept us (and Western Europe) safe. This is one of those nuggets of common knowledge that is only believable until you think about it. If the U.S. military and intelligence agencies were so great why was it so easy to attack them on 9/11 and why did it take a full 90 minutes for them to respond to a direct attack? Also, if this 'surprise' attack really caught them offguard, why did they allow President Bush to continue reading at the school? Wouldn't they believe that he was in immediate danger and since it was public knowledge that he would be at that school, shouldnt they have removed him to safety and evacuate the building rather than putting all those children in danger? Unless this was a false flag war, they showed the rest of the world they're easy targets. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 The mission but be many things but it doesn't register with those on FOX who think Canada hasn't done anything. Sadly, though done in a 'poking fun' way, there is a lot of truth in the segment. There was a huge story last week about this, in an interview with Andrew Leslie, head of our military. Despite what the Conservatives want you to believe, they are not spending the money on equipping our military, at least not in any meaningful way. A full court press of Conservative dishonesty and obfuscation General Leslie criticized the gov't for the tank boondoggle and expressed concern that two years after their purchase they are still sitting in mothballs. 650 million dollars later we have a bunch of scrap metal and the promise that they would be operational by 2011, has now been changed to we really have no idea. DND's second-hand tanks on idle "Hundreds of parts are needed for the Leopard 2 tanks now operating in Afghanistan. Canada did not put in place a proper logistics support mechanism for the tanks, resulting in a lack of 23 types of critical parts and a need for hundreds of more components." Dan Ross, the department's assistant deputy minister for materiel, had previously told a Commons committee that the refurbishment of the tanks would start this year and be finished by 2011. But his office now appears to be backing off that date The cost has now skyrocketed to 1.3 billion dollars and I think they will eventually be just landfill. We should be ashamed that it took our military leader going to the press, to make the Conservatives take action. "Andrew Leslie, said the military may need a year-long break from operations when the mission in Afghanistan ends in July 2011." Then Harper comes out publicly and says the war can't be won but he still wants our soldiers to continue dying for a failed mission. General Leslie has said that lack of equipment and soldiers means we may have no other choice but to take a break. Very sad. So much money and so many losses of life, for absolutely nothing. But on the bright side, we have a whole lot of scrap metal. Thank you Mr. Harper for spending my money so wisely. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Fox has no credibility. I agree but then I wouldn't be part of their targeted demographic. They provide a voice to the American conservative and seem to be very popular, I suspect even with many Democrats. 22 Minutes could very well parody this boondoggle. It's an embarrassment and we can't just shoot the messenger. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
ironstone Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Fox is the dumbest network on the planet. It's basically an extension of the idiotic far right of the Republican party. At least on a good note it's an embarrassment even to the average American but who the hell cares what Fox says? Everyone knows it's a freaking joke. Fox has no credibility. At one time I watched CNN for the most part.Then,for a while there was the FOX channel,available for a free preview.Since that time,I have never come back to CNN and I find FOX to be much better.I really enjoy the O'Reilly Factor and find him to be tough,but fair.Hannity's America is another program I see sometimes.If you pay close attention to FOX,you will hear that they are just as tough on the Republicans as the Democrats.MSNBC is one network that I find quite biased,and with good reason.NBC is owned by General Electric,and GE's shares have plummeted for years snow.I guess the big man at the top of GE should take the blame for this.And he happens to be one of Barrack Obama's advisors.....yikes! Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
madmax Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Fox's "Red Eye" is not a hard news show.....it is comedy...and written that way. "Red Eye" is not a NEWS show. Fox News needs to be reclassified as a comedy network. The defenders of Fox News often compare Foxes reporting to the "the John Stewart Show". The John Stewart Show is a comedy show shown on the Comedy Channel. Fox News is 24 hours of newsfarce. But one "Pretends" to be real. The other "Believes" it is real. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I guess the big man at the top of GE should take the blame for this.And he happens to be one of Barrack Obama's advisors.....yikes! Funny line. Fox is OK. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Funny line. Fox is OK. Fox is correct - we act as if "Canada is at war" _ That we have a war time Prime Minister - and we have heros ---this is not a war - it is a mistake and appeasement to Richard Cheney and his buddy Rumsfelt..who are gone - as for heros - a hero is a person that goes in and fights and comes out alive with the other guy dead - we have road kill not heros ----we should lower our heads in shame everytime will kill another one of our own sons throught this useless deployment of troops in Afhanstan...go invade Pakistan or Saudi Arabia..but we won't because we are afraid of real war - where a thousand die a day - not singles sent home via the highway of heros to be autopsied by the curious. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 "Red Eye" is not a NEWS show. Fox News needs to be reclassified as a comedy network. The defenders of Fox News often compare Foxes reporting to the "the John Stewart Show". The John Stewart Show is a comedy show shown on the Comedy Channel. Fox News is 24 hours of newsfarce. But one "Pretends" to be real. The other "Believes" it is real. SO true lol! Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 "Red Eye" is not a NEWS show. Fox News needs to be reclassified as a comedy network. The defenders of Fox News often compare Foxes reporting to the "the John Stewart Show". The John Stewart Show is a comedy show shown on the Comedy Channel. Fox News is 24 hours of newsfarce. But one "Pretends" to be real. The other "Believes" it is real. Fox represents the less endowed Americans who are dummied down in order to maintain the internationally exploitive nature that is America - dehumanize - and you can plunder without guilt. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Some responses to the random points in this thread: The US (and Canadian) military protected North American from the USSR during the cold war. Oceans don't make N. America impervious to attack. The attacks of 9/11 exploited weaknesses in the system that allowed for the free movement of free citizens within national airspace. Fox News is an entertainment channel. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Sadly, though done in a 'poking fun' way, there is a lot of truth in the segment. There was a huge story last week about this, in an interview with Andrew Leslie, head of our military.Despite what the Conservatives want you to believe, they are not spending the money on equipping our military, at least not in any meaningful way. A full court press of Conservative dishonesty and obfuscation General Leslie criticized the gov't for the tank boondoggle and expressed concern that two years after their purchase they are still sitting in mothballs. 650 million dollars later we have a bunch of scrap metal and the promise that they would be operational by 2011, has now been changed to we really have no idea. DND's second-hand tanks on idle "Hundreds of parts are needed for the Leopard 2 tanks now operating in Afghanistan. Canada did not put in place a proper logistics support mechanism for the tanks, resulting in a lack of 23 types of critical parts and a need for hundreds of more components." Dan Ross, the department's assistant deputy minister for materiel, had previously told a Commons committee that the refurbishment of the tanks would start this year and be finished by 2011. But his office now appears to be backing off that date The cost has now skyrocketed to 1.3 billion dollars and I think they will eventually be just landfill. We should be ashamed that it took our military leader going to the press, to make the Conservatives take action. "Andrew Leslie, said the military may need a year-long break from operations when the mission in Afghanistan ends in July 2011." Then Harper comes out publicly and says the war can't be won but he still wants our soldiers to continue dying for a failed mission. General Leslie has said that lack of equipment and soldiers means we may have no other choice but to take a break. Very sad. So much money and so many losses of life, for absolutely nothing. But on the bright side, we have a whole lot of scrap metal. Thank you Mr. Harper for spending my money so wisely. I'm sure there has been a lot of wasted money but the real problem is that we as Canadians have no clear consensus about what we want our military to be. Any discussion about the military that falls short of cheerleading is considered politically incorrect because it means we're not "supporting the troops". So, meaningful debate is stifled and Canadian soldiers keep dying. In recent years, top Canadian generals have developed an activist streak in which they've started to appeal directly to the public. This is a dangerous trend towards politicizing the military. Religion and politics are a bad mix. The mixing of military and politics is toxic. I don't believe that Canadians want or need a gargantuan military. Weaponry is inherently high tech and expensive. We need to focus on those capabilities that are best suited to our geography. Our best defence is our geographical isolation. Trying to build a meaningful defence against our southern neighbors is a pointless exercise. So why all the hoopla about main battle tanks? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Fox is correct - we act as if "Canada is at war" _ That we have a war time Prime Minister - and we have heros ---this is not a war - it is a mistake and appeasement to Richard Cheney and his buddy Rumsfelt.. Apparently it is not a war but a 'mission', that our Prime Minister has admitted failed. Hill & Knowlton are happy though because the military contracts helped them tremendously. The families of the fallen soldiers must be so glad to hear that their sons and daughter died for nothing but cash. It's an embarrassment that our leading general now has to suggest that we take a year off from the 'failed mission' because we have no equipment to continue failing, and then ask our soldiers to go back and risk their lives again for a mission that has already failed and can't be completed successfully. Anyone else see that there's something wrong with this picture? Why take a year off? We should just come home. We've sacrificed enough. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Some responses to the random points in this thread:The US (and Canadian) military protected North American from the USSR during the cold war. Oceans don't make N. America impervious to attack. The attacks of 9/11 exploited weaknesses in the system that allowed for the free movement of free citizens within national airspace. Fox News is an entertainment channel. The 9/11 attacks exploited the weakness of the CIA - who have screwed so many of their informants that no one talks to them anymore - it also made clear the weakness of corporates attempting to protect a nation they are simply not interested in really protecting - If they were serious about protection - it would not have happened..they froze because Cheney and Bush and the boys are more concerned about themselves and did not know how to look out for the interests of others - They were trained to be selfish and overly focused on themselves since childhood - so what do you expect from this class? Also: As mentioned - America has the policy to dehumanize all others on the planet - what makes you think that they think differently about Canada - we are potential meat to these wolves.. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 The attacks of 9/11 exploited weaknesses in the system that allowed for the free movement of free citizens within national airspace. If we believe the official version of 9/11, that the U.S. military was that weak, than how can we even think of them as a super power? They were a nation of bumbling idiots. I don't believe the official version. At the very least they would have whisked the President to safety. Obviously he was too engrossed in the story book to think about the children who would be blown to bits if the planes were headed his way. The U.S. is not that inept. The second plane would have been shot down before it hit the second building and the American missile that hit the Pentagon would not have been fired. It's kind of no-brainer. It certainly wouldn't have been the first false flag war or 'surprise' attack to justify going to war. They played it beautifully. You're right about Fox though. They have an audience so they exist. You don't have to watch it. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
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