The United Nations Must Go!

[Black Dog]

Did you mean "facetious"? Engrish preaze.

No. I meant fatuous. Don't you have dictionaries in America?

In fact, you totally befuddled me with that post.

So we can just add it to the list along with shiny buttons and colourful bits of string?

[GostHacked]

Questions is, if the UN was gone what so you replace it with....the Bilderberg group!! opens the door to the New Worder Order!

Well, could be that the Bilderbergers already run the UN. Regardless of what name these eleites may go under, why expose themselves when hiding behind a wholesome sounding ideology to further their own greedy goals. In concept the UN is a very very great thing. But the people factor will always screw and f^ck things up for everyone. Some people are powerhungry and greedy and selfish. So you can hide behind the UN, people think it is a great idea and donate to the cause of the moment.

Beurocracy eats up more funds than anything else. Thin out that management heard and you save buckets of cash. One upper management type will earn 2x, 3x and up the salarie or the hourly wage of your bottom run workers. The guys that actually produce and do most of the work. Cut out the middle man, and Africa would not starve at all. Food distrobution is the problem and the world is not having a food shortage.

So yes, mailing cash to the people directly will help them out. Everyone gets cash. everyone can purchase the essentials. Or send the essentials to them directly.

[jawapunk]

But if the UN doesn't exist, what other organization will have extremely long and vague acronyms?

[Michael Hardner]

The UN has done more to help the desperately poor in African than any other organization. They have quietly and effectively saved millions from misery.

But because people still hate the US, we need to disband the UN ? And replace it with ?

Your thread makes no sense whatsoever. It advocates allowing millions to die for reasons of vanity, basically.

[ScottSA]

The UN has done more to help the desperately poor in African than any other organization. They have quietly and effectively saved millions from misery.

But because people still hate the US, we need to disband the UN ? And replace it with ?

Your thread makes no sense whatsoever. It advocates allowing millions to die for reasons of vanity, basically.

Oh what nonsense this is. The UN doesn't even exist outside of the security council, and in terms of financial support, it doesn't exist outside of the US. The General Assembly is an increasingly radical talkshop, full of otherwise unemployable national elites, and the security council is essentially a working arm of the US state department, with the added joy of annoying post-relevant and population bomb countries like France and China supplying the stumbling blocks whenever possible. The only "aid" that Africa gets is USD and whatever "Organization of African Unity" (ha...that's a laugh in its own right) troops the US manages to bribe into "peacekeeping," under the assumption that poor black villagers would rather get shot than see a resurgence of colonialism through palefaces running around. Wouldn't want a repeat of the century of peace and prosperity that colonialism brought (Belgium excepted), now would we?

[Higgly]

Weren't they an ethnic group, long extinct, who resided somewhere near or on the current territory of Israel.

Here is a cite from the Wikipedia entry...

The Philistines occupied the five cities of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath, along the coastal strip of southwestern Canaan, that belonged to Egypt up to the closing days of the Nineteenth Dynasty (ended 1185 BC). The biblical stories of Samson, Samuel, Saul and David include accounts of Philistine-Israelite conflicts. The Philistines long held a monopoly on iron smithing (a skill they possibly acquired during conquests in Anatolia), and the biblical description of Goliath's armor is consistent with this iron-smithing technology.

This powerful association of tribes made frequent incursions against the Hebrews. There was almost perpetual war between the two peoples. the Philistine cities were ruled by seranim (סְרָנִים, "lords"), who acted together for the common good, though to what extent they had a sense of a "nation" is not clear without literary sources. After their defeat by the Hebrew king David, who originally for a time worked as a mercenary for Achish of Gath, kings replaced the seranim, governing from various cities. Some of these kings were called Abimelech, which was initially a name and later a dynastic title.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry.

You will see that there is no claim that the Philistines ever left the region.

My personal opinion is that there have always been at least two peoples who have inhabited Palestine since recorded time and that they would reap far more from celebrating their mutual heritage than trying to beat each other's brains out.

[M.Dancer]

There is zero evidence that palestinians and philistines aree the same people especially soince arabs didn't arrive in "palestine" till well after the 2nd century AD.

[jbg]

Here is a cite from the Wikipedia entry...

Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry.

You will see that there is no claim that the Philistines ever left the region.

My personal opinion is that there have always been at least two peoples who have inhabited Palestine since recorded time and that they would reap far more from celebrating their mutual heritage than trying to beat each other's brains out.

Funny you mentioned the Phillistines. In the OT there's a story about how Abraham dug some wells. After his death, the Phillistines plugged them with sand at night (rather than trying to use them and exclude the Hebrews). Isaac redug them.

Does the senseless destruction of the wells by the Phillistines remind anyone of the destruction, by the Gazans, of greenhouses left behind by the Israelis when they left in the summer of 2005? It sure reminds me of the incident. Seems that my view of history and politics is validated here, (link), essentially, that "the more things change the more they remain the same" or "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose".

[buffycat]

Funny you mentioned the Phillistines. In the OT there's a story about how Abraham dug some wells. After his death, the Phillistines plugged them with sand at night (rather than trying to use them and exclude the Hebrews). Isaac redug them.

Does the senseless destruction of the wells by the Phillistines remind anyone of the destruction, by the Gazans, of greenhouses left behind by the Israelis when they left in the summer of 2005? It sure reminds me of the incident. Seems that my view of history and politics is validated here, (link), essentially, that "the more things change the more they remain the same" or "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose".

So sad that you have bought the myth.

WRT greenhouses - it was mostly the settlers who destroyed them before they left. Some were bought and saved but it wasn't the Gazans who wrecked those.

btw - have you read the recent report by Nofer Ishai-Karen? . The link is to the English version translated from the Hebrew Haaretz.

[Michael Hardner]

Scott:

The only "aid" that Africa gets is USD and whatever "Organization of African Unity" (ha...that's a laugh in its own right) troops the US manages to bribe into "peacekeeping," under the assumption that poor black villagers would rather get shot than see a resurgence of colonialism through palefaces running around. Wouldn't want a repeat of the century of peace and prosperity that colonialism brought (Belgium excepted), now would we?

What about UNICEF ? Guess what the UN in UNICEF stands for.

[Sulaco]

Scott:

What about UNICEF ? Guess what the UN in UNICEF stands for.

UNderfunded UNless the US kicks in its gigantic share. Most UN funding comes from these here, the United States.

[Amazing Atheist]

I think the UN was intended to bring the world together. This however has not been the case, I think the major players in the UN need to reform it as opposed to abolish it.

[jbg]

UNderfunded UNless the US kicks in its gigantic share. Most UN funding comes from these here, the United States.

I think the UN was intended to bring the world together. This however has not been the case, I think the major players in the UN need to reform it as opposed to abolish it.

If it's going to be US money anyway, why shouldn't the US get credit for its beneficence (sp, it's late) rather than the credit going to some UN organization headed by people selected by tinpots? Edited November 9, 2007 by jbg

[jbg]

I hear deafening silence in response to my questions.

[ScottSA]

I think the UN was intended to bring the world together. This however has not been the case, I think the major players in the UN need to reform it as opposed to abolish it.

The "world" being "brought together" is a grand old idea. Rome, Napoleon, England, Marx (Lenin), and Hitler all tried it too, but unfortunately it means a lot of people die to no real effect. Now we're trying it under the assumption that barabarian tinpot dictators, formed into a talkshop and funded by the US, will do it so much better. I vote the UN disbands, goes home, and shoots itself in the head.

[Higgly]

If it's going to be US money anyway, why shouldn't the US get credit for its beneficence (sp, it's late) rather than the credit going to some UN organization headed by people selected by tinpots?

What beneficence? The US has been a fickle contributor at best. The US has consistently cut off funding to agencies it disagrees with, starting with the ILO, and working itself up to paying all of its UN dues.

The US sees this whole thing like a shareholder sees stock. If you buy 51% of the stock, you call the tune. Problem is that the US does not hold 51% of UN stock and never has.

[Lazarus]

Would one of those postage stamp nations include Israel?

Israel as a nation is wholly dependent of the largess of American support in terms of treasure, armaments, and backing in the UN SC. Remove any of the first two or possibly the third as well and Israel would soon cease to exist.

Israel by all rights should be a vassal state of America, however somehow Israel has reversed this relationship and made America her vassal.

[Higgly]

Israel as a nation is wholly dependent of the largess of American support in terms of treasure, armaments, and backing in the UN SC. Remove any of the first two or possibly the third as well and Israel would soon cease to exist.

Israel by all rights should be a vassal state of America, however somehow Israel has reversed this relationship and made America her vassal.

Israel has consistently bypassed direct discussions with its neigbours and with the Palestinians and negotiated over their heads with the the US, with the UK, and with () France. This is why the Middle East is in such a big mess.

[Michael Hardner]

j

I hear deafening silence in response to my questions.

Maybe people are confused - do you want the UN to disband or to thank the US for its generosity ?

Speaking of deafening silence, see my point about UNICEF...

[ScottSA]

Israel by all rights should be a vassal state of America, however somehow Israel has reversed this relationship and made America her vassal.

I see we've been reading the Protocals again. It's the Jooooooos!

[Higgly]

j

Maybe people are confused - do you want the UN to disband or to thank the US for its generosity ?

Speaking of deafening silence, see my point about UNICEF...

I think he wants to see the N in UN replaced with an S.

Speaking of an S, did somebody fart?

[jbg]

Israel as a nation is wholly dependent of the largess of American support in terms of treasure, armaments, and backing in the UN SC. Remove any of the first two or possibly the third as well and Israel would soon cease to exist.

And how would the Arab countries fare if the oil, which is by rights private property of the companies that developed it, were returned to its owners, and these "countries" received no financial support? At least Israel has some real hi-tech industry.

Israel by all rights should be a vassal state of America, however somehow Israel has reversed this relationship and made America her vassal.

How about the fact that Israel is potentially a huge forward base of the US if it needed to project its power? Also, how about the fact that Israel doesn't forbid the Koran or New Testament? Ever try bringing a Bible into Saudi Arabia?

By the way, this post is directed at the Board, not at the Jew hater who's post I'm nominally responding to.

What beneficence? The US has been a fickle contributor at best. The US has consistently cut off funding to agencies it disagrees with, starting with the ILO, and working itself up to paying all of its UN dues.

And who, exactly then, is funding the UN? And if the US funded fully what would happen to the money?

Curious minds must inquire.

[bush_cheney2004]

Israel as a nation is wholly dependent of the largess of American support in terms of treasure, armaments, and backing in the UN SC. Remove any of the first two or possibly the third as well and Israel would soon cease to exist.

Israel is unremarkable in such things compared to other nations also receiving American support. Indeed, before the UN ever existed, one former Empire and Commonwealth came hat-in-hand for the same treasure and armaments.

Israel by all rights should be a vassal state of America, however somehow Israel has reversed this relationship and made America her vassal.

Israeli baiting won't work in this context.....Americans still elect the US Congress and Head of State. They are even allowed to be pro-Israeli, just as some are pro-Canadian.

Edited December 15, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Moonlight Graham]

The UN needs reform, not abolishion. It has certainly done more good than harm over the years. UN Peacekeeping forces have done some noble work, and at least we have an international check on some of these tyrants in Iran and Sudan....even though the U.N. actually won't do anything about them.

[jbg]

The UN needs reform, not abolishion. It has certainly done more good than harm over the years. UN Peacekeeping forces have done some noble work, and at least we have an international check on some of these tyrants in Iran and Sudan....even though the U.N. actually won't do anything about them.

I'm at a loss. The UN has checked the Janjaweed's savagery? And President Ah'maDinnerJacket? Those people are the raving lunatics that run the UN.

I sure don't want my tax dollars funding it.