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If any provices start breakig away from Canada, you can bet that the US will gladly take them on and make them another state. Fat chance of any of you getting independence from the rest of Canada. Once that happens Canada is dead as a country and we might as well all become Americans. I'd say stop the seperatist talk and all start talking together as once voice. If we keep on all this infighting we might as well be as dead as the Separation Party of Alberta.

I see this on the same level as huge corporations getting together to have a bigger stake in the economy. When that happens, layoffs are not far behind. This will not increase the economy of Canada. This will hurt it even more. This will hurt Canada just likie NAFTA has had in the past, and SUPER NAFTA will take us down the road to a North American Union.. F&(k that. This is a goal of globalization as well. one currency eventually, but pssshaw you say.. but look around you

Alberta Seperatists? Sure. But allies of the past may not be allies of the future. This happens even in our current state of countries. One world government is not an idea I can support. Smaller countries (like lets say canada breaking up) will just cling together to from alliances for ecomonic and security. Saftey in numbers. Go too big, and you forget the little guys Go too small and you loose sight of the bigger picture.

This proves that Afghanistan should have been their priority from the start, which it became a back burner issue when Iraq was invaded. The US, UK and Canada were all involved with Afghanistan. Canada opted out of the Iraq plan (in my view) because they had to deal with one problem at a time. Now all of a sudden the focus is back on Afghanistan, the focus should have STAYED there. And now more troops are needed? That tells me someone really fudged up.

The United States has used more nuclear weapon technology on other countries than any country on earth. Bunker busters (tactical nukes which the US plans to build bigger and better bunker busters) Depleted uranium for ammo in the A-10 Warthogs. With all that spread around, one nuke from NK or Iran will not really make a lick of difference in comparison to how the US has used nuclear weapon technology around the world against other enemies. Yah yah look at the reasons WHY Iran and NK ar trying to build nukes (NOT A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM). Self preservation and protection (remeber the bravery of being out of range. My bullet can hit you, but you cannot hit me, so I am going to kill you) IF any of you think that Iran or NK just want to wipe any country off the map is shortsighted and narrow minded. If all you believe that 'heys they hate freedom and democracy' (tired of that crap) from all the talking heads, then you really need to open up the eyes and the mind and really see what is going on. Iran and NK are not stupid to just launch nukes at random. If Iran of NK launched a serious nuke threat against any country, then it would be turned into a big piece of glass. Kim Jong Ill is NOT THAT STUPID to risk that. Neither is the leader of Iran, he is not that stupid to risk his entire country being turned to glass for him launching one nuke.

As far as I see it there is great bias in the new media. Something I have noticed with CNN.com ... Important articles of news will show up on Sunday or Sunday evening. The breaking news usually regards some law passed or an ally of the US doing something wrong. It will be shorlived on the mian page then within an hour or so, pushed to the back links where you gotta dig for it. I have seen this several times. But then other articles (like OMG PARIS HILTION HAD TO DRIVE HER PETS AROUND) get front page and stay there. I am sure there is bias in the news, but I am not sure how far it goes. But it's there and you can read it every day in the news.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Only because they did not learn anything the FIRST time This is the reason why most Christians are 'born again' .

They know who it as and aren't charging him? Is there a news item on that? I'd react the same as you, but I sure as h#ll would not want my kid going to jail over it. Kids make stupid mistakes, and they deserve punishment but nobody would be making my kid a martyr for the sake of a appeasing the outrage of intollerant old f@rts. And I repeat, PM Harper should have kept his mouth shut over this. Political opportunism of that kind is not worthy of the nations leader. You realize it is a NATIONAL MONUMENT FOR OUR DEAD SOLDIERS. Harper SHOULD say something about it. It is the tomb of the unknown canadian soldier. Public property of ANY kind is not an acceptable place to just piss whereever you want. I see people downtown Ottawa do that all the time. Drunk people who are too drunk to have a little control and self respect. Jail time may be a bit much I agree, but a heafty fine and some community service should set him straight. Or maybe some public speaking tours. "yes I am one among many jerks who pissed on the unkown soldier tomb/monument. If this is not acceptable, why don't we piss on all monuments. How about the Eternal Flame near the front gate of Parliment? Samuel Champlain's statue that overlooks the Ottawa River? (also my favourite vantage point in the whole city) Have some self respect, and some self control. We live in a civilized modern society. We have toilets and indoor plumbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAdeZuns3A http://www.spp.gov/ WTF is going on around here? North American Union. The first time I heard of this was when I was a kid back in high school in the late 80s. I though at first it might be cool. I was also aware of the EU which was being talked about around that time as well. I thought it would never really happen. After the EU was formed I was sure something like this was going to happen in North America. Some other unions I see for the near future, are South America and Eastern Asia. The agreement was made back in 2004/2005 with Martin, Bush and Fox. Why the hell was this not reported in the news? Or were we just not paying attention? I simply do not like it. All identities will be erased. You will no longer be Canadian, or American or Mexican. you are a citizen of the NAU.... Canamerimexians?? Meximericanas??

I don't know what scares me more, these guys desecrating a war memorial or this kind of liberal indifference to it shown above. Yep, who cares? Don't punish him, that's what ah said, huh? Could be a young offender?? IS a young offender, but has not been charged with anything, so I think the Citizen is in the clear on this one. How would you react if you picked up the paper and discovered it was YOUR kid on the cover? I bet total embarassment would be just shy of how you would feel. My dad would have beat the tar out of me for such blatent disrespect of public property. I would feel utter shame if that was me or my kid or even a close friend on the cover. Utter f*cking shame. He should feel like an ass, cause he is an ass. I agree with I Miss Regan on this one myself.

Sure: if it worked and we actually had any reason to believe North Koprea would ever actually launch a nuclear attack on North America which would result in the agressors total annihalation. And we all know that Iran is a bigger threat than NK right??

As was pointed out, your private information may be provided to the US government based on whether or not they do business in the US. This has nothing to do with technology - it could have been done in the days of paper files. But phone surveillance and internet surveillance seems to get more attention. I don't like the bulk disclosure of financial records - it's too easy for the government to lose the information, or send it to the wrong people. But I still think letting CSIS and anti-terrorism teams have access to call records and ISP records in order to generate leads is a very good idea that makes us more secure, and doesn't affect the average Canadian in the least. But with the mantra now of 'more of a threat from homegrown terrorists than foreign terrorists' you are an average Canadian, and well, are being investigated. Paper was slow, the Internet makes all this information easily and readily available by anyone. Paper trails can run dry, everything digital is traced and tracked by something.

Maybe after 4 or 5 years they realize they can't catch him this way. Maybe it's a CIA plant to get Osama to get a false sense of security and then relax slightly. Then again, with the New York Times leaking any advantage the CIA has, I opt for the giving up theory. Oh come on, they can kill Uday Qusay., and even the late Zarqawi was found and killed. But they cannot get the master mind behind everything? I thought this was the most wanted man on the list? If anything they should be creating additional units to hunt Osama. Also take note of the date in the article. LATE 2005. False sense of security? I would assume Osama is alot smarter that that. IF I were Osama, I would take this as a ruse and actually be MORE careful about what I do.

With the one kid beaing on the Ottawa Citizen, I hope his mom is proud. If I was there, I would have pinned him down and end up pissing on him. Pissing on that tomb is just wrong in every way.

This war on terror is bullshit as I see it now. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/04/cia.binladen.ap/index.html The special CIA unit that was hunting BinLaden has been disbanded. Umm WHY? The man that suposedly orchestrated 9/11, the man who suposedly helped out Saddam. First they stopped looking for WMDs now they seemed to have stopped looking for Bin Laden. That is not suspicious to you all??

No exactly. The bathwater is still good. Many people do not understand alot of this new technology and can easily be taken advantage of, by ciminals, and your own government. Technology is changing, and so are our laws governing its use. One should be aware of what they are getting into. Read the policies ect. If any of you people have installed software, a game or office suite, you were to be sure to read the entire End User License Agreement{EULA). Right?

Actually the more you talk about it, the more people will take note of it. I would hate for all this stuff to get swept under the rug because 'you are not suposed to talk about it' Screw that. Be a patriot and QUESTION authority. So yeah talk about it, make people aware of it. Know your own rights and freedoms. Don't let the government take away your freedoms and privacy. If you have any articles of imortance please post them in this thread!. This was part of the purpose of this thread is to make people aware of how all this wonderful technology can be used against you, when it is to benifit you and society as a whole.

Another article in the Ottawa Citizen regarding Canadian ISPs monitoring your information. Brought a few more things to light. There is a new article in the Bell/Sympatico agreement (since they have reserved the right to 'change services/policy without notice') Article is on page A10 of the Ottawa Citizen (Monday July 3, 2006, writer - David Reevely. They have revised the service agreement to : The article questions what 'other governmental requests' means. What does it mean? Leaves it pretty open in my opinion. What kind of things can they ask? I guess anything. Hows this to further this thread. I know you have some questions regarding technology and I would like to answer it as best I could. If I cannot find the answer, I will do my best to locate it somehow. Kind of a poll here : What forms of communication technology do you understand most? (and scale it 1-10) What forms would you LIKE to understand more? Where do you think your privacy(information) can be easily compromised? Where do you think your privacy(information) can be easily abused?

Were any of these machines used in Canada's last election at all?

In reply to the VOIP. Since it goes through your Internet connection, yes it can be monitored as well. I think it may be easier to monitor since you need an Internet connection and they require an IP address to get online. Easier to track and trace. I don't know if there is a 'hide number' when using it. There is no *69 to get the number of who just called you. Most of the VOIP services do not have even essential 911 services. The privacy issues are still there with VOIP and almost anyone on the net can intercept or monitor the call. http://www.networkworld.com/weblogs/convergence/012219.html This is an example of the NSA/ATT fiasco currently going on in the U.S. (I posted this in the US Forums some time ago) And by reports it happened in late 2001 or early 2002. 10 Different locations around the US at ATTs major datacenters. I am not a real expert on VOIP so I cannot say all that it could entail. But just being connected to the Internet eventhought it may use a slightly different protocol, it is subject to the same monitoring methods.

hahahahahaha - I love it when Canadians talk tough. You sound like a fool when you say you are going to teach us a lesson by "pulling the plug" on us. Newflash, the US is a country of ~300 mm people compared to what not even 40mm in Canada and our GDP being almost 12 times as large as yours. LOL I know eh? More guns, more weapons, bigger military, bigger drug problems, bigger crime problems. bigger international problems, You are right USA > Canada.

With all due respect, your fears seem to be rooted in fiction, fantasy and 'what ifs'. My fears are rational, and have been realized in New York, London, and Madrid. Unfortunately, there are enough people who are afraid of these abstractions that you may actually win out in the political arena. As much as I enjoyed that book, sometimes I really wish Orwell hadn't written it. 40 years ago, all this technology we have and use now, was classified as science fiction.

80% of the corn that is grown in the U.S. is geneticly modified as well. Plant growth only recognize climate zone borders, not country borders. Also alot of what you eat the the grocery store contains byproducts of corn. Check your cupboard. This is not helping either. http://www.ontariocorn.org/classroom/products.html http://www.campsilos.org/mod3/teachers/r_index.shtml http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.ph...ning_high_fruct

FTA, thanks... you give me a great idea for a website now. It's alot of what I have seen in the past 10 years in regards to technology. Before it was not that intertwined into our daily lives. Now it's so common, it's like it is a permanent part of us. Many who use these technologies do not understand what goes on behoind the scenes. They just want it to work. The less you know, (let's say a computer connected to the Internet) the easier you can be duped to think everything is ok. These are the people that need to wake up and learn the technology. We are in the Information Age, and it is going to get much more techy in the near future. Talking about RDIF chip implants under the skin. Hell, it may be that those nano bots that can fight off desieses can be hacked by a third party and boom, they have complete control of you. This is extreme, but we have all seen this in the movies. And real life seems to imitate movies (or the other way around) With all I have seen in regards to monitoring things to catch terrorists to me is a false security. If you look at the rhetoric before, that terrorists want to harm us and our freedoms (little tired of hearing the same thing over and over again) These terrorists were from abroad. And now they say the fear of homegrown terrorism is more of a threat than OUTSIDE terrorism. No longer are they monitoring international calls/emails, they are monitoring .. ok let's use the right word here SPYING on the average Canadian. Because now you are a threat to the system. Yes you the average Canadian. Bit by bit things change, and the government gets more access to your personal information, less and less hurdles to overcome. First it was phone numbers being tracked, then emails, then financial institutions. All your electronic data is being monitored somehow. Did you know this about websites? Each time you visit this website Greg has the ability (part of the functionality of it) to track your IP address. Those funky numbers. Now we know Greg is not a jerk. And you hope he would not use the information against you. So what if this website is being run on a Sympatico connection? Not only is he being monitored, but everyone who visits this site. And if the government wants those records, they get them. Greg may not even be aware of it. So the webpage can track your IP. You can take that number 123.123.123.123(example) and do a whois, or a lookup on it. Now that way I can tell what ISP you are with. Let's say for the heck of it, I fear I am being hacked by that IP address. I can talk to the help desk of that company and get information on who was connecting and causing me harm at that time. It is not hard to do. Although the ISP may not want to give that information to you as a person, but if you are an authoritive figure, it can be handed to them instantly and without question. Also with DSL and cable connections, you can be monitired 24/7. IN the 70s and 80s you have your basic telephone. Since wireless phones have not been invented, it was hard to spy on any given person. You had to use small devices (bugs) to hear things. These had to be planted in the place to be effective. You can get wiretaps, but the there were long processes of getting a warrant to spy on you. So if they have a warrent, they have already been tracking you and suspect you are a criminal. The eveidence they gather through these methods is slow but effective. Zoom ahead to 2006. No such warrants are really needed anymore. Your PC is the weakest link. How many of you realize that your webcam can be used against you? Leave your PC on? Do you leave the camera on? If someone can access your PC through a back door (plenty of viruses that facilitate just this) I would be able to look right into your home. At anytime. All it takes is the pressing of a few keystrokes and it is all done. And it can be done from anywhere. I want to make people aware of the slippery slope we are going down. More technology. The government wants to control the technology as well, that is why these new clauses are comming out and even our laws are changing to make it easier for one to be monitored. It does not happen over night, but when you look back in the past 30 years and see how far we have come. And you see the issues that have arisen with the technology, but you say still, meh I am not really concerned. The government is not always up to good. Not everyone in the government is a good guy. So learn to protect yourself. CharlesAnthony. I know what you are saying. And that is the part that needs to change. You can make a difference. Never think that you can't. With that line of thinking you have already been defeated. And it is a crack in the door.

We have seen it in the U.S.A. and now we see it here as well. The more technology we use the more potential of it being abused. Over at CTV.ca there is an article about Sympatico warning us of Big Brother online. Here is the full article. Most of you have GPS tracking cell phones. Most of you use the Internet. Some use pagers. Some use PDAs some use wifi laptops. All this can be used to track and trace any given person who poseses and used the devices. Do you not find that alarming? I mean most of us try to use the technology to research things, talk to friends, organize parties. We all use this technology for leisure and work. In comes Big Brother to save us all. But from what? What are they looking for? Are they looking for terrorists? This CTV artle hints on it a bit. Their policy has already changed and this is what you get when you have Sympatico now. They flat out tell you your stuff is being monitored. You. The average Canadian. I have posted a few other articles on this forum regarding technology and how it can be abused. But I really just don't think people get it. Hows this. I work in IT. I have some pretty neat diagnostic tools for cable modems. I can throw that MAC ID into the program and it will tell me how that modem is doing. I can tell if it went offline, for how long ect. I can also see devices connected to it. So when I tell a customer ' Oh you have a linksys router there, let's do this ...' Rarely do I get someone asking me. 'How do you know it is a Linksys?' Now also I work in Ottawa, I support people in the US. I have access to hotel networks in the US. When people call for support in the hotel they are 'OH you are in Canada.... um you can log into the hotel routers and gateways from there? OH yes I can. I can reboot stuff remotely if needed. Now on the surface this may not be a big deal to most. And really it isn't for most people are not malicious. Out of all the people I work with, there are really only a couple shady characters. But again, they are not really malicious in any way. I work with about 500 people in my building. And now legistlation is trying to go through that would make it mandatory for ISPs to keep data records on their customers for up to six months. So 6 months of your Internet habits are being tracked, traced, categorized and stored... just in case. How comfortable are you with this? So when the government asks for the info, the ISP can hand it all over quite easily. Your laptop can be tracked to any location you are at. Heck if given the right tools, I can tell when and where you are plugged in, whenever you plug in. EVEN if you are using Wifi with all your encryption on. So all your information can be monitored through your PC. Cell phones are another great way to track you using GPS, how confident are you that no one else is listening to your conversations? It is merely an electronic signal passing through the air. It also uses triangulation, in order to give you the best signal possible, move to far and the system switches you seamlessly to a closer tower. We don't have to look no farther than our home on the web here at MapleLeafWeb.com, which was hacked a couple weeks ago. I was pissed, for it installed a virus on my work PC, and really the IT team did not have the systems patched up. Could have compromised my work network instantly. This can cascade to other systems easily. Take a look at London England. A friend of mine was there recently and was astounded by the amount of close circuit tv cameras that he can plainly see out in the open. All this is to combat crime and terrorism. But despite all that.. well you know what happened. And now the government reigns are pulled even tighter. How comfortable are you with technology? Post all your concerns. We all wage a political battle online and we are free to express our views and concerns. This can change the way we even post here on MapleLeafWeb. I want to be able to post without fearing prosecution from Big Brother. Some would say, well if you are not doing anything wrong then there is no harm done. True, but if I am doing no harm, why the hell am I being monitored (or actually the possibility of me being monitored) without a warrant and without my knowledge? We have seen recently the U.S. and the NSA wiretapping issues rasing concerns. And we also see the datamining of financial institutions around the world. Money flow is being monitored as well. Which birngs me to this point. Your bank account. How secure is it? How do you pay for things mostly? Credit card, debit card. Yeah that is me. Recently at my work 4 people were victims of debit card fraud (they had their accounts cleaned out). A local Scotia Bank ATM (in the mall I work in) was to blame. Never using that one again. But you see that often now. ATM's being hacked and modified to steal those funds. So electronic banking, it is easy and convienient, but can be easly abused. All your financial history now is just 1's and 0's. I hope alot of you still ask for printed receipts and have printed bank statements. Run your debit card through a machine at the grocery store. Is the device compromised? Is the clerk malicious in any way? Is someone trying to look at my pin? Where are those security cameras? Are they pointing at the debit machine to check what PIN I enter (Ok that may be extreme but with all this technology %100 possible. All this technology is great. I am a nerd/geek and I really love technology. But I am also aware that a darker side exists. I just want to let you all know what is at stake. Your privacy, and your freedom. I apologize if this post seems a little disjointed. Let's hear it.