Army Guy

Well according to the numbers the army is still the largest element and employees the most CF members...not bragging but army rules... while in germany the kids would line the streets to see all the cool army equipment, some of those exercises were 150,000 NATO troops right across the entire northern front of Germany....millions would watch every day in their backyards... even let the airforce play sometimes...Here in Canada we are locked up deep in the woods so nobody can see, all our secret shit LOL I forgot you live in Ottawa....no guns , no fun, that might change when the conservatives get in lol ...Toys r us is full of guns, ones that shoot foam darts, foam balls, jel balls...you name it...but hey we live in the redneck part of NB, guns are part of life here...

And yet Russia did just that in the opening of the conflict, airborne drops and air mobile insertions, all in a heavily contested air defense environment...The fact that helo operations are still ongoing today is proof of concept...not to mention the use of Attack helos... https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/they-had-done-the-impossible-ukraine-s-secret-deadly-helicopter-rescue-missions-1.5955925 It is not outrage, just pointing out that it is a waste of funding, they would have been better off purchasing the new BVS 10 like the british marines, and their airborne forces purchased...it can carry every weapon system they have including tow, mortars, anti air, etc etc... it offers armor protection, proven in combat in Afghanistan it can go almost anywhere track or wheel vehicles can go plus more...it is heated,and cooled can be used in all weather environments... and it can be lifted in by chinook...and carries more than any pick up can...Canada has a habit of buying capabilities once every forty years of so...atleast get something that is well rounded, and does more ...instead of buying something that has a whole list of restrictions added to it...

It is your opinion, provide a source that says just that that NATO brushes aside all of Russians threats or warnings....because it is not a fact but your opinion... And every step of the way NATO has taken every threat seriously, that's their job.....and it has delayed NATO response to Ukraine's desperate need for equipment...Which is why still today some NATO countries will not give Ukraine permission to use their long range missiles in attacks on Russia...Because of Russian threats or consequences...And not all of them are the use of nuclear weapons... The US just gave permission to use tacam missiles...just this week...WHY is that...If the threats are bogus why not let Ukraine missile the shit of the Russians, a question everyone on this forum wants answered........Because they did not want to escalate with Russian and of course their threats to escalate ...You just don't want to see the consequences...One of those consequences are Ukraine is not getting the equipment it needs....There is no other answer to this unless NATO is not taking the whole Ukraine thing serious...what other explanation is there? List a few of these so called reasons for the readers following along...Even the media is telling a much different story than you lay it out to be.....Putin's threats may be limp dick gestures to you, but to NATO it is giving them pause...or Ukraine would be a wash with new mordern NATO equipment instead of the mostly obsolete stuff that NATO sent... YA, pointing out that NATO is slow rolling desperately needed equipment and supplies to ukraine due to Putin's threats is cheerleading for the russia side...When really this not about that at all it is i'm not cheerleading your message....anything else is cheerleading for the Russians... It is not a wrench in my logic,you side of the story makes no sense at all...if NATO has nothing to fear in consequences as you say, then why has this conflict gone on so long...why not give ukraine everything it needs to defeat Russia, or put on the big boy pants and just order Russia to get out of face NATO troops...

Long range air defence and man pads have been around for decades....So have helo's and flying below the tree line...even todays radar can not discern between ground clutter and the tops of the trees....hence why helos and fast air fly as close to the ground as possiable...as for man pads flying at tree top level presents a target for a few seconds....not a long time to lock on to a target, and if it was helos have counter measures.... look I'm sorry but Thats not happening today....Ukraine is not dropping troops 100 km from the LZ neither is the Russians... for a couple of reasons, one driving through enemy occupied territory for a 100 km is a suicide mission with a sizable force ..not even attempted by mechanized forces...to do so without any support also a suicide mission for anything other than a couple of vehicles...once you were discovered you would be a sitting duck for every weapon within that 100 kms.. I'm not arguing about most nations having Light forces, that is a fact...they are deployed using helos or transport aircraft....So yes most would be looking for light vehicles...plenty of them operate with heaters and enclosed cab.... Yes CSOR and JTF-2 have Dagors....they also operate ski doo's , BV 206,.... all of them serve as transport or combat support vehicles... 101 st spend much time in alaska using them, or is most of their mission set in much warmer climates......or do they use BVS10 or skidoos in the winter...... Thats not what i'm saying our light forces already use Dagors, and skidoo or BV206....i bet they don't use skidoos in the summer, which would make these new vehicles kind of seasonal right... JTF still use open air stripped down Humvee's as well but they have a much different mission set... I already mentioned there are plenty of light vehicles that provide cover for their occupants can be mounted with a wide variety of weapons, that are already in use by other special forces and light infantry units from countries that operate in colder climates...Is a light vehicle what they need...yes....is it this POS i don't think so...for the many reasons i 've already stated... Chain of command does what it is told..like the rest of the army....I guess we will have to wait and see if they are going to be used as combat lift for troops...or strickly an admin vehicle to run troops around the base...Unless manning has changed drastically in the last 3 months or so, the Battle groups is built around a mechanized force...Why would they have atleast a companies worth of LAV's in storage ?.....it does not make any sense to have a light infantry force attached to a mechanized battle group with open air pick up trucks as a mode of IFV or transport......

I never said the army is the Canadian military,that was not the point i was making, did not mean to lead you down that path.... even if it is the largest element, the best element, with the coolest toys...and all the other elements are there to support the army LOL.... ...And i get it down sizing has been going on for decades, but today there are pretty much down to the bone right now...not much meat on those bones either....in all three of the elements, one does not loss 16,000 positions and not effect all three elements... it is a paper military that would struggle to produce and support one Brigade group....One SQN, or one whatever the navy calls it formations... No disrespect taken, but deep down everyone wanted to join the army and blow shit up....hence why it is the biggest element....lets also remember that when kids were growing up, no body played air force, or navy...it was always army....how many kids flew around the yard pretending to be air planes...and how many gun toy guns and played you guessed it army....

soldiers have been rolling their eyes for a long time, and the amount of them leaving that have had enough is mind blowing some units are below combat effective in strength , the alarm bells have been going off for more than a decade....now nobody even hears them or even cares....people are using death spiral....in the media...and nothing...military commanders are begging for people to listen..... RSM of the Military Senior Non commissioned officer, say we have a poisoned chain of command, ....Military is short 16 thousand or so they report numbers are way higher than that ....plus there is another 10, 000 unfit for duty...and i doubt these numbers are accurate as well...

20 LeoiiA6M loan went as fast as you could possible make it...the rest of the Leos not so fast and once they took procession they sat in a warehouse for 2 years waiting on some Canadian company to make the modifications they needs...and of all the ones we received only 20 more were modified into LeoIIA4M the rest of the tanks were classified as training tanks NOT ready for war, the same ones we sent to Ukraine....ooopppsss Look it does not matter how they would perform on certain missions, Thats what the CF has and Thats what it uses for those missions....i don't think the navy or army has the ability to say sorry our shit is 40 years old give that mission to someone else.... Thats not the doctrine they use, airbourne and airmobile forces get dropped as close to the target as they can get without alerting the bad guys normally between 5 to 10 kms away and they hoof it in from there...pathfinders/ Recce have already marked the DZ/LZ and the entire route to the target...not sure what you want to hear...lots of moving parts and all of them could compromise the mission...but unless you know something i don't i would love to hear about it... Yes we have purchased DAGORS and what do we use them for...to haul around heavy weapons platforms....they are side by sides... Yes Latvia has wet lands and forests...and if you can't get a LAV in there there is not going to be a ISV in there either...nor a Side by side...troops dismount and hoof it to the objective using other means of fire support such as armed helos, arty, mortars...or they hump in their heavy weapons on their backs... Liberals are a lot of things i would not say evil, if it was cheap...or they could get any political mileage out of it...But don't think for a second this was done because the army has lobbied hard for this vehicle....because you'd be wrong...and in today's environment when it comes to new equipment the Military would get excited over a 10 speed bike...but when it's 40 below, and the troops are moving a couple 100 km s to the training area....do you think they are going to be saying man we have been waiting for this vehicle all our lives what a dream...or are they going to be asking who was the F...ing mor0n that purchased this...

Thats your opinion, i'm sure inside NATO HQ/ and the US president the story would be a little different...where they separate the wheat from the chaff, something the media does not have access to...So your guessing....The fact they have heeded some of these threats and have taken the slow role response to Ukraine's needs is very telling....something that seems to be lost on you... Putin ally warns Scholz about escalating war with Russia (msn.com) Why has Germany not given permission to use their long range missiles deep into Russia, why has it taken this long for the US to give permission to use it's long range tacams missiles into deep russian targets...I mean you have been clear and said NATO and the US see Russian threats as empty, or Bologna was your words....so what explains all these delays or hesitation into providing more than a few dozen's tanks, or air defense missiles into ukraine....etc etc... You have not addressed the fact that "If" NATO is casually pushing Putin's threats aside as they have no consequences or value WHY have they not addressed Ukraines need for additional arms and equipment. What is holding them back from giving Ukraine all the equipment they need to throw out Russia.... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-suffering-high-losses-due-slow-arms-supplies-says-zelenskiy-2024-09-15/ The fact that is the common thread in this hole conflict NATO's slow role on delivery supplies and new equipment is cost Ukrainian lives at the front...The other fact is that most of the tanks and IFV that were supplied have been destroyed, or are nearly gone....US is thinking about sending more Bradly's but none have arrived yet, and crickets from other european nations... And like have said before NATO nations are more concerned about there present stocks as they get low...causing even more delays....the cookie jar is almost emptied, and western production can not even handle the back log...as it is not fully back on line.... US delays weapon supplies to Ukraine, worrying about its own stockpiles (msn.com)

I'd like for once the left to step up and own their actions...just once...instead of blaming everything that goes wrong in the universe on the conservatives....Can you provide a source that has said he believes climate change is not a crises...I mean even the liberals of NDP don't really believe it is a crises, judging by there policies and actions....implementing a climate change action plan that has not once meet our signed to climate change agreements...what is it they say actions speak louder than words... it just spells one big failure...and now that NDP might not get his pension he will do anything for votes....your standards must be low...

I hope not... Todays left counld,nt kill their own shadow... Well both sides of the equation seem to have their own wingnuts... Perhaps in your mind i did not do enough, 34 years of service and 8 tours in the worlds largest shit holes hoping something good would come of it, ...in my mind i did plenty....knowing what i do now, i would not do it again, not for Canada, but for old comrades in arms no question.

Regardless of what you and the others think of these threats, I'm sure NATO takes them very seriously. They have to the entire globe depends on their response and actions...passing off Russian intentions or aspirations is a dangerous game no one really knows what this person will do if cornered....I'm sure this question is what is giving NATO pause in the ukraine conflict. If NATO truly believes Russia will not use chemical or Nuclear options then why won't they pull out all the stops and give Ukraine the weapons it needs to push Russia out...Is it because NATO does not have the weapons to give, or they are highly concerned with escalating the current situation.... meaning they take every threat seriously...

I did not say you did,but i do know your not a conservative, not sure why all of this hatred or fear whatever you want to call it about the conservatives...I'm 62....When you clearly agree the liberals have cocked up almost everything in this country, and have had help by the NDP...there hands are just as dirty... Civil war is a bit much don't you think...besides the left is not built for war or conflict... I agree, but i can see why, the left has been pushing to the extreme left, I never seen the nation this left in my life time...and the right have had enough, they are no longer interested in what the left has to say, because in the last 9 plus years the right have gone unheard... Our nation is screwed up so much i cant be bothered with following US politics...i personally thought trump would push Canada into living up to it's signed agreements, but even trump could not convince or push, or embarrass Canadians into action...we have a long history of doing nothing until it is too late....

Are you sure it is the conservatives,they seem to be the only ones talking to Canadians about all the scandals the liberals/NDP have created.... you must like what the liberals/ NDP have done to the nation, they are the ones that think the average Canadian is not smart enough to understand all these scandals', corruption, ethics violations, i could go on but you get the point....

Lets not forget he has some of the best critical thinking skills on this forum, according to others...

Got any examples Micheal or you just chirping because it is the thing to do now...

CBC is a private traded business, that relies on government funding to give its EXC's big bonus while letting employees go.... does that sound worthy of our tax dollars...We do not fund other media outlets to the extent we fund CBC why is that....Did the government float your fishing or charter business? CBC is getting better , but yes i think their coverage is slanted towards the left side. But Thats not my issue, as a company you can slant to a degree whatever you want, there are plenty of other media out lets out there...it is the use of taxpayer dollars that is my complaint. Would not be an issue if the liberals had maintained a center approach...leaving out a good portion of the population...where there is a demand there will be a supply.... Do you really think the majority of Canadians want to be educated on anything...would you say those hard core Liberals are voting becasue they are educated on the issues or they are voting for party lines because they have done so for decades... We live in a fast food period of time when we want what we want "now" , not later, no time for education, they believe what they are being told...no time left in their day to educate themselves...everything else is false news...

good on you....to bad you can't be honest with the rest of your conversations, I guess your honest only when it suits you... I'll take back what i said about you being another poster...that was my bad assuming anything about you...

You make me laugh, this coming from a guy that has a proven record on this forum of having superior critical thinking skills...Is that why you changed your name to DUI offender, that's some critical thinking skills right there...

Yes because Russia's media , produces so much unbiased news content and can be equally compared to the CBC....right.. There is no threat to get rid of anyone, just stopping tax dollars from funding them....Can CBC or other Canadian media survive without government handouts ? and why would that be a bad thing ?... Are you afraid of missing out on the CBC radio broadcast on the 3 hour chat on the wild wheat seed story during that long drive across the prairies..or how about a 2 hour long broadcast on the mating habits of the atlantic salmon...

NATO is trying to avoid a confrontation with putin....he is holding on to power with his finger tips, he also has the keys to the nuclear locker or worse chemical weapons...

peanuts....i think in around one billion...would create the will and drive to get it done...., i mean one billion is peanuts to the liberals...could do that with our eyes closed...

Is there such a thing as a democracy without a party system...So how would that work, how do we elect or appoint officials/ leader.

Lets be frank, it was not just the liberals thats responsible for the current state of our forces, But they have been in power for more than a decade and could have reversed it or stopped it...

The charter does protect these actions, but no where in the charter does it say the employer has to be black mailed into a position it does not want... The key word there is negotiate...the employer does not have to concede to anything...None of these PS employee are indispensable....even if they strike, how long can you feed your family on strike pay...if they are essential workers then the can be legislated back to work... This is not all PS workers, but rather the few that can work from home, most PS workers are back to work 5 days a week, and have been since the restrictions from covid were removed ....these workers make up a slim minority of the entire PS work force.

Actually he did say he was going to cut foreign aid, , and give that funding back to the military, while it is not going to get us to 2 %, it is billions more than they have right now... https://montrealgazette.com/news/national/poilievre-says-he-would-cut-wasteful-foreign-aid-work-toward-nato-spending-target