Moonlight Graham

Well, that's more of an ad hominem, it depends on the argument. They are both dumb on some opinions and bang-on about other things. Maybe as a society we should all stop looking for saviours and just looks for good ideas to combine.

Show me where medical procedures is dealt with in the constitution. As I remarked in my other response to you, if you insult me again as you did above I will put you on ignore. Got it? I'm trying to have a discussion with you, you don't have to be a jerk about it.

So you're saying that congressmen answer to their constituents, not Trump. So Trump can't force them to do anything, he can just say some bad words. People in Congress have their donors to answer to. Also, if you speak insulting to me again unprovoked I will put you on ignore so maybe learn how to speak to people with respect.

@Michael Hardner 2 people come to the same conclusion independently. 3 if you count Jordan Peterson:

The big corporations want the cheap labour, see. Cheap labour, more consumers, more profit. Illegals in the US are the new African slaves, driven by the money-makers. Nobody actually cares about us lowly workers. Anyone who thinks politicians work for us is a naive fool, they work for themselves. Their #1 priority isn't their constituents or their country, it's maintaining their own power.

How does the POTUS force any congressman to vote a certain way? The US isn't Canada.

Abortion isn't protected or banned in the constitution, so what is to be done? Different states have different laws for everything. There's still dry states in the US that ban public sales of alcohol in stores, it can only be bought from a licensed vendor (sports game, bar etc).

It should be left up to states unless there's a constitutional amendment specifically dealing with abortion.

If we keep up the population growth rate as it is and don't significantly increase housing supply then obviously the price of housing and rents should keep rising. Locking young people into expensive mortgages for the rest of their working lives is a disaster for this economy, at least for workers, not the banks and developers and baby boomers selling and moving into retirement homes.

I'm sure Iranians will respond well to another western coup and suddenly want to be our friends.

Sure but what's your point? The current governments haven't changed their plans enough to respond to the situation which they largely created. If they want riots they're on a great track. And you didn't answer if you support guaranteed basic income with no qualifiers?

The current government caused the housing crisis and contributed greatly to the health care crisis due to their vast expansions on immigration and international students and lack of regulation on foreign and domestic speculating. Provincial governments also are to blame for bad policy or lack thereof.

The government. This is mostly what we do now with benefits, though we should do a bit more of it for some programs. For instance, you can't go on disability EI without a doctor's note. If you're seriously advocating for just giving free income to anyone who wants it with zero qualifiers I think that's a very bad path for many reasons. Is this what you're proposing?

See my first reply in this thread.

I think he's just trying to not suck in the polls

Make good policy. They probably won't riot if they think the gov is honestly doing everything they can to respond to their problems.

Well if you have serious health issues, are old as dirt, can't find work despite serious effort etc. The alternative is we just allow anyone to mooch off the system with no qualifiers, or help nobody.

If things get worse economically or even don't improve then I think there are risks of riots. The problems are affecting the young voters the most and they're also the most likely age group to cause public violence historically. See the George Floyd riots.

For some this is the perception yes. Personally I have no issue helping people who are genuinely in need of help or incapable of supporting themselves, but I do have an issue of creating dependency on those who aren't and them unethically exploiting taxpayers. It doesn't even follow Marx's "From each according to his ability..." ethos. There's a fine line between compassion/help and creating dependency. One is positive and the other is corrosive.

I don't think the solution to inflation is giving out free money. In fact it would make it worse.

1. Not any more than woke theory though. I mean what he's saying is what most people believed from at least the 60's (MLK) until 10 years ago. 2. Well i still use "spade a spade" and I don't get looks and so do many others since it's a common phrase, nor have i ever heard a black person referred to as a spade. Either way, this guy is black so he can use both haha.

I'll simplify it: I can see conservatives supporting via basic income those who legitimately are unable to work, but i can't see them supporting those who can work but don't want to.

I think conservatives can embrace basic income in the following ways: 1. As a means of reducing government bloat in terms of simplifying/combining different programs reducing the # public servants needing to be paid to handle all of it, which is a net drain on the economy (government inefficiency/waste of tax dollars). 2. If there are still reasonable qualifiers for receiving the basic income, and it's not "guaranteed" to all if "all" also means people who just don't want to work even if they're healthy able-bodied and of working age and there's jobs available they're qualified for. So you'd only be qualified for the basic income if e.i. you lose your job and are searching for a new one for a short term period, you fall ill and can't work, you're a senior and can't afford the basics to live, or AI has taken so many jobs that not everyone can find one etc. I'd also support the above, but I wouldn't support any program that can be exploited and taken advantage of by freeloaders/scammers, nor should any reasonable person.

1. But how does this answer my question. How is this message not consumable by the masses, as opposed to identity politics messaging? 2. True, but that's not where the phrase comes from, it has ancient greek origins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade "The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans,[15] which was not recorded until 1928."

Evidence or STFU. Yeah you're lying. Someone in the trades doesn't sit at home all day everyday rage-posting on the internet.