madmax

If I were a CPC or LPC MP in BC, I would be worried if the MP won by under 2000 votes. Easily enough anger will exist to shift that many vote and there is only one party to shift too. Also, the voters will take their anger on the tax increase upon the first election coming, regardless of Provincial/Federal jurisdiction. I think its fair to say that a Federal Election is coming first. On a side note, I do believe debate would actually help the parties that want to implement the tax. Look at the skillfull arguments from the pundits on MLW. But that gives people a chance to understand why the governments are going forward. What's the rush???

I like Murdoch and I am not fond of Hillier, I do like his populist approach on various issues. These two are willing to speak out against their party if necessary, so it doesn't surprise me that these are the two who took up the call. They'd be the first to call their party hypocrits the moment the PCs implemented the HST, which is current PC policy. I hate to believe that McGuinty can out point anyone in QP. Unfortuneately, Pupatello has been one of the most useless Ministers in Cabinet. She is only good for a photo op. So it doesn't surprise me she engages in partisan mud slinging as she is unqualified to do her own job. I don't know MacLeod, but I know Pupatello. Good riddence to her the sooner the better. Unfortuneately her popularity surpasses her competence.

LOL, You got me.

Hillier and Murdoch have called it a day. They did a great job of bringing attention to the HST and to the friendly position of the HST within the PCs and the CPC. Not certain why they have given up so early.

The Conservatives have decided to ram through the HST bill in 48 hours. The intent is to keep the Harper Sales Tax stink off the government. Ironically Ignatieff appears to be the last one holding the rotten egg.

Wal-mart traditionally closes any operation that unionizes. It has nothing to do with profitablity and I am aware of them closing non unionized operations that weren't pulling in the numbers. If a Walmart unionizes, it will be closed regardless of profits at that location. Consider it Wal-Mart policy. LOL your wish has been granted...If you have a Walmart in your area or one is moving in, contact the UFCW and get them to organize it early. That should meet your long term goal. You have a problem with this???

For the record. It is unusual to not see jdobbin on this forum. This is an unusually long time. I heope he is on holiday, lost his password to mlw, or computer is bunked. I'd even be comfortable if he was detained in a foreign country with his passport declined. I do hope that he is not ill or that there is anything serious that has resulted in his disappearance from MLW. madmax

Get the imported guns marked and get on with it. If it saves the cops time in investigating, its money saved for the tax payers and the faster they can trace the faster crimes get solved.

The BQ want the Federal Monies and they are willing to snooker the people of Ontario and BC. The Conservative Government should not be funding bribe monies to the Provinces. The CPC and the BQ are for the HST. The People of Ontario are not. I doubt the people of BC want it either. I do know that I have talked to many small businesses within a triangle of Chamber of Commerce in the the regions and the bottomline is they are not interested in this new Tax.

I just read that the Conservative Government is going to use the support of the BQ to pass the Harper Sales Tax. I read a short comment afterwards that gave me a little chuckle. The Conservative and Quebec MPs are going to determine the fate of the people in Ontario and British Columbia. That's right, the Conservatives are allowing the Quebec MPs to determine joe/jane tax payers future. Isn't that special. It is time for a real debate. Get the Conservatives to tell the public they support the HST. It would get the Liberals to stop "skating" as Bob Rae puts it. It should have some repercussions for those Conservative MPs in Ontario and Quebec. Those same Conservatives who love to fear monger with the BQ. Now Conservative MPs in Ontario are happy to have the BQ as allies to tax Ontarians. Conservative spin doctors did a good job of blackmarking BQ MPs. Conservatives are full of ..... it.

I'll be looking forward to your positive comments about the crown when the shoe is on the other foot and the crown is prosecuting the protestors of the DCE and other land disputes.

HMMM> There you go again.

Thank you, it was.... Any idea which union or if it was the same? Most LPC/CPC staffers take weekends off. No time to post talking points, change subject or spin in the comments section. Doesn't matter the subject.

Missed this earlier. Round of applause for ya Goatboy. I can't disagree with the thought behind those commentsl. Sometimes we forget out wealth. Lets not forget about how we treat our own either. Perhaps if the MP could have been as articulate, he wouldn't be the bane of jokes in the cartoon media.

Does this affect your job? And I thought the Engineers just had a strike earlier in the year and it lasted about 4 days before the company and Union cut a deal? But I think it was a different union?

It is a nothing link. However, I too am prone to making comments assuming the link was valid. Regardless, just because people are misinformed doesn't mean they don't have an opinion.

Tim Hudaks Bad Week http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/silver-powers/tim-hudaks-bad-week/article1377158/

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Of course, if we here on MLW can debate the issue, certainly our government can. And quite frankly, people like Riverwind yourself and others are capable of giving very strong arguments. They are good to hear and fleshout. I also know that there are those here who can advocate against this tax with good arguments. So, why can't our government? That said, there is some recent stuff I have seen, and I am not certain to its accuracy, that for every new dollar in HST revenue, there is a $1.06 in tax cuts. So, then the argument gets split on the PRO HST side. Those whom believe the new tax will generate extra revenues that government needs, vs those who believe that the HST is the new mode of taxation with a long term goal of eliminating income tax. Infact, If I follow this out, populist like Jerry Fortin are against the HST, yet if the situation were to permit itself he would be for a consumption tax on roids if there was no income tax. There are pros and cons, just as there are items that should and shouldn't be taxed. I like debate, I like forums and I also agree with whomever suggested public meetings and forums could get hijacked like the Health care town halls in the US. Democracy and the democratic process are always at some sort of risk. However, that doesn't mean that public input or a public debate on the issue shouldn't occur. Particulary now and I want it known which parties and MPs and MPPs (MLAs) are supporting this tax and which ones aren't. I want to know this before they cast their votes. I want this known before McGuinty force feeds us this tax. One thing that is clear and I very much appreciate on these forums. No one here has advocated that a Tax Increase in the form of the HST will create 600,000 jobs. Yet McGuinty is floating this out there because unemployment is through the roof in Ontario and they are hoping that people accept this, hook, line and sinker. If I can argue with Argus, the Government can handle a public forum. And yes, this part of the discussion does belong in the Provincial thread. However, I expect come Federal Budget time, a debate would be appreciated by All Canadians on why Ontario should receive $4.3 Billion while the federal government is running the highest deficit Canadians have ever seen.

I think it would be in McGuinty's best interest to have a debate. Then it would be exposed to more of the public all the pressure behind the scenes by the Conservative government pushing and prodding them into this tax scheme. Everytime the Conservatives get into government they bring Ontarians a new tax.

Funny that this business is quite popular and many of my friends had no problem wanting to do the work and earn some money. I think your comments are absurd to believe that these jobs couldn't be filled by Nova Scotian workers. I also know that in NS there are some other jobs that pay FAR LESS then what I saw printed in the paper that the Mexican says he receives. Infact, I would like to see that Mexican Labourers paystub, just to be certain because someone in NS who is unemployed would be doing quite well taking that job even if short term. One consistent thought of government bureaucrats listening to lobbiests is to use the populism against immigration against future immigrants, and to use the importation of migrant workers to do the work in this country. You can work here, just don't live here. That's how we end up with Dead Chinese Migrant Workers in ALberta.

You lost me.....???

That's it in a nutshell. The language used by the Conservative MP wasn't accepted in the House of Commons by the speaker. The MP spoke like a jackass and that is why its news. Something you want to retract, but the Genies out of the bottle.

This is about the Liberal Ship Sinking.. and Harper has been in the good books for a few months. Time for him to read the riot act to his MPs.

Conservative governments are known for deficits.