madmax

Actually, you have provided links that are interpreted. Infact, I am often having to read an entire piece of legislation and you have yet to link and provide a quote of reference. Just a link. Regardless, I read the link. I have provided quotes from legal documents I receive at my place of work and because of one of your posts, I am going back for clarification... if you are correct it will cost nothing and if you are wrong it will cost thousands. And quite frankly it is these companies with whom I do business and not you. So who's zoomin who? For my companies benefit, I hope you are right. I would prefer status quo. I am not making up false information, I am receiving information from my suppliers.

I posted the poll yesterday and a quote that gives weight to the HST. I just realized you called this one. Do you work for a polling firm?

The comment on Fin Donnely got me thinking, and .. IIRC it was back around 2006 that Dawn Black asked the CPC government about the treatment of Prisoners by Canadian troops and what is our responsibility when they are handed over to the Afghan government. Its really quite simple. The soldiers do their jobs. This isn't about the soldiers. These decisions were in the hands of our own government on what to do. We made a decision that has come back to haunt us 3 years later. Should we be surprised? Not really, most people already knew what would happen and it appears that it did. Our actions can undermine our longterm goals. You are blaming the wrong person.

Oh look, lets shoot the messenger. Sounds like some CPC MPs are heading for a difficult time. Its a smear campaigns against credible people. A politicians credibility is non existent in comparison. Pressure is going to be applied and the people at the top are going to feel the heat. This isn't going to be like Somalia were the lowest level soldiers were tagged for something that had links to the top. We've seen this before. Will the government get off? Probably, they always find a way. For August1991 to suggest that somehow, that this Diplomat is soon to be an NDP candidate... I would hope that any party receives a person of this calibre including the CPC. People of integrity are hard to find. People who can speak out and tell it like it is are difficult to find. Perhaps we should just live in a bubble and ignore the bad things. Quite frankly, these incidents are seeing world attention, and it wasn't Richard Colvin who engaged in these activities. As for NDP and Safe Seat? I don't know if there is such a thing? I can't think of an NDP safe seat, although Fin Donnellys is probably pretty safe right now... LOL. I think the CPC have some safe seats. Perhaps one of the CPC deadwood backbenchers can step aside for a person of conviction. However, I believe it unlikely for a person with this experience to waste their time engaging in the childish experience of Canadian Parliment.

I say its here.

Let the games begin!!!

Correct There is a video out there you have to see it. I am waiting for it to be released publicly unedited. When it does, I will link it as quickly as possible to this thread. You won't be using the term insufficient manpower after seeing it. Its a very one sided affair. A far cry from the episode of nearly 20 years back at oka. Definitely not afraid. What use of force demonstrates is that while the OPP can easily sweep up and arrest individuals or chase them off and issue warrants for their arrest, it can also lead to an escalation. However, you are correct in that the OPP are not interested in escalating the situation. That makes them professionals. I have watch the police do amazing work in keeping a situation under control. Escalating a situation means that control becomes lost. The OPP maintain control, whether you agree with the policy, the OPP are the ones in control of the situation. Two tier policing exists, however if you go down that path, it doesn't take long for the stats to prove that the two tier justice exists and that those on the bottom tier are from SN. Any court reports bear that information, and thus the "two tier" analogy has been dropped by all but the most ill informed people. People often feel letdown by our court system. It leads to events where individuals take things into their own hands. That is how a Caledonia and DCE failure is created. Local people in Caledonia were getting ticked off at the number of newcomers into a community that had seen little change in 50 years. Who set off the time bomb? Who decided to develop on contested land, knowing full well that if this piece of property was developed that SN would be enforcing land claims all along the haldimand tract. That this piece was considered to close to home, too contentious. Why was Henco given a secure commitment to go forward and a guarrantee from the government that compensation would be available if the development was halted. There are some other claims along the Grand. Some well documented ones. Perhaps the stupidest thing happened at an Alderman meeting with the developers presentation. Question: Did you know that this parcel of land is recognised by the federal government as a legal land claim by SN? Answer: Yes Question: Did you know that you are required by Federal Law to consult with SN about developing this property? Answer: Yes Question: Have you contacted SN about this development and will you prior to developing? Answer: No The room of 300 people in attendance went silent. The locals railed at their own politicians saying, what the heck is going on? If this is known by the developers and neither them nor you are doing what is required by law then of course the shit is going to hit the fan. See, other towns and townsfolk along the Grand River don't want to have a Caledonia in their backyard. Your right though, the townsfolk are often pushovers until they get the facts or are backed into a corner. In Caledonia, the townsfolk are in the corner and they are alone. Quite Frankly, those on SN who are involved in these LandClaim disputes are backed into a corner. What is the common link? The government failure to do its job. The Federal Government isn't worried the slightest about Caledonia. The Province isn't concerned either. Seriously... where is Diane Finley and what have you ever heard from her? Where the heck is the Indian Affairs minister after 4 years? Anyone know his name? Anyone in Caledonia see him? Actually property values in Caledonia are as stable as the rest of the Ontario, and more stable then Hamilton property values. Tourism wasn't affected by anything, infact gawkers were happy to go to Caledonia. Tourism is as strong this year in Caledonia as anywhere else, with the weather playing a larger role. Tourism will be more hampered by passports. Its called propoganda and there is plenty to go around. That's good. SN land claims are the most neglected land claims in Canada and its the largest reserve. How the heck can the Federal government be absent on the file of the largest reserve in Canada? McGuinty has failed the people of Caledonia. Diane Finley and the Federal Government has failed the people of Caledonia. If this is how we treat Canadians.... its not any better for SN. The town isn't hurting, you can drive anywhere you please and do anything you like. There are plenty of protests and quite frankly, while heavily publicised, this is one many land claims along the grand. And you'd be a fool to believe that hardly anyone cares about land claims. If you think their tactics work, then they are working. I have yet to see anything work. The people of Caledonia were shit on. The people of SN continue to be shit on. There is no dialogue from the Federal Government. Any action by the federal government is designed to stall, come back in 3 months, have lunch leave, come back in three months, and nothing is accomplished. As Barbara McDougal or Jane Stewart what they did, short of eat, collect $1300/day. Why would the Provincial government buy the DCE? During the period of the DCE land dispute the Provincial government SOLD land in their title, that was under claim by SN, to a major land developer. This claim had been in the courts for 12 years, and when SN wrote a letter requesting... why have you sold this land while we are in legal proceedings to determine ownership, the answer was.... To paraphrase: "We cannot answer your question as to why this land was sold as SN is currently in litigation with the Province over this land. Then the legal SN document was accompanied with the Original date attached, something back in 1995 IIRC. " The government is great for answers like this.

Here is the banter in the industry

The Federal Bill will be introduced into the house along with the $4.3 billion for Ontario. Quite Frankly if this bill was killed I would be happy.

Alberta doesn't have a PST. So why can't other Provinces follow that model? And if Alberta doesn't have a PST why should Alberta pay GST? Whats good enough for the Province should be good enough for the entire country. Scrap the GST... entirely.

Nobody really cares all too much. Some media hype, some idiots trying to stir the pot, but usually its that jackass from richmond hill and people have tuned him out. people buy their smokes, go to the races, lots of tourism in the area, Racers come from all over the US to the Six Nations Reserve. Lots of business and trade delegations cue up to talk to various groups and if they do their due diligence and consult, it can turn into a very prosperous endeavour. But like going to any other government, you have to accept that "NO" can be the answer. Mind You, the Federal government is on the reserve like a dirty shirt getting all the taxable revenues. Sorry, but when moneys involved, these recruiters and business people couldn't care less about things outside of their immediate goals. That is someone elses problem. Others are trying to manipulate the system to get out of a bad investment and want a protest on their land in hopes of a government bailout. Sad but true.

WTF? This is a Federal and Provincial Tax grab. That said, unlike the thread title... the recent polling data is giving HEAVY WEIGHT to the HST and the rapid rise of the NDP who happen to be advocating against the HST. Hands in my pocket, hands in my pocket, hands in my pocket.... :angry:

Its been months since the last Harper Screwup. Its almost like he has become comfortable in his own skin.

Everytime I flip a used vehicle the BUYER pays PST. Next year the Buyer will pay GST and PST on those used vehicles. Live in a Province that you pay PST and come back and talk to me....

I am not particularly fond of the NDP leader. Not certain, why, but then again I am not fond of the Liberal Leader either, although I thought he was pretty funny on Rick Mercer. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Democrats+hold+double+digit+lead+over+Liberals+poll/2248474/story.html British Columbia’s New Democratic Party is maintaining a double-digit lead over the governing B.C. Liberals, a new poll by Angus Reid Public Opinion shows. Conducted on Nov. 10 and Nov. 11, the poll found 47 per cent of respondents support the NDP, compared to 33 per cent who said they prefer the Liberals. Of the remaining people, 10 per cent backed the Greens, and seven per cent gave their support to the BC Conservatives

http://www.canada.com/make+poll+gains+over+Tories+Liberals/2250128/story.html CPC 37 LPC 24 NDP 19

NDP make poll gains over Tories, Liberals By Mike Barber, CanwestNews ServiceNovember 21, 2009 The federal New Democratic Party has vaulted to levels of voter approval not seen since before the last federal election, as Canada's two major parties struggle to hold support, suggest findings of a poll released Friday. The NDP surged six percentage points to 19% support nationally, according to results of an Ipsos Reid poll, commissioned by Canwest News Service and Global National. Darrell Bricker, CEO and president of Ipsos Reid, chalked up the gains of Jack Layton's NDP to Ontario voters being frustrated with the McGuinty government, particularly with the forthcoming harmonized sales tax, and that is being carried over to the federal Liberals.

Interesting. If they move the 7% PST to a form of user fee, there will be a TAX on the userfee, just like in Ontario, where GST is applied on top of a debt retirement tax.. DID WE EVER GET SNOOKERED. Get SOMETHING OFFICIAL and in WRITING. LOL. If the PST remains then the HST will apply. Strictly because if it doesn't the DEALERS WILL HAVE A SHIT FIT!!! They already believe they are being penalized because of the Private Sector not having to add GST. It has been acknowledged in Ontario that the PST will remain and the GST Will be added in the form of the HST. Dealers are happy campers.

I don't mind the idealogical debate on the HST. However, this is about the CPC denying involvement in the tax. I heard all the good things about the GST back in 88 and 89, from the Conservatives.

You pay GST on the NEW CAR, and don't pay GST on the trade in value. When the dealer sells the Used Car, they make up the difference on the GST as the final completion of the sale. However, Private Auto Sales never paid GST and will now. Enjoy.

Drifts off topic... sees a funny.... Freudian slip above.

You have a parade of leaders resigning everytime they have a brainfart. Harper, Layton and to a lessor extent, Duceppe (remember that hairnet), have all had to overcome bad decisions, bad optics and bad press as well as an unruly caucus. He will have his eDay and the chips will fall where they may. Ignatieff was an untested candidate MP parachuted into a safe riding. Then an untested leader. There is a reason why he couldn't defeat the weakling Dion in the first leadership race. It was those doubts that Liberal Insiders ignored when the LPC appointed a new leader. On the job training for an unseasoned opposition leader is certain to lead to some flops, flips, flops, flips, no flopflips, no flipflops. It was all well and good until he read his own press clippings. Ignatieff also believed that Jack Layton would drop the poker if given access to the fire. Layton hasn't dropped it, but now he is sticking hotdogs and marshmellows on the end and handing some over to the Prime Minister. Ignatieff needs his poker back. Ignatieff believed he could play poker and now the LPC are at 23

Six Nations is the largest and wealthiest reserve in Canada. It is also a reserve that is likely going to be stronger in economic foundation then the cities nearby within the next 20years. People from Six Nations are desired by Iron Workers and virtually all contruction companies. There is enormous wealth on Six Nations as well as 3rd world like conditions, but nothing like on other reserves in Canada. Some of the best tradesman are from Six Nations, and many times the coworkers may not know that there teammate is native. There are companies who literally focus on recruiting the skilled trademan and general construction labourers from Six Nations.

Nonsense. We increased Health Care spending in Ontario. $1 Billion went to Liberal Friendly Consultants. There is no recommendations available from these consultants. But they did bring back the brochures of some of the finest restaurants and luxury hotels in Ontario, and Alberta. Yes, nothing like a nice flight to friendly Alberta to investigate your Restaurants and Hotels.. I mean health care system. Apparently lost the minutes on the flight back. :angry: "they probably could be a little more efficient" theres an understatement

Thats dismal. However, the figure is 7.1 Billion in profits with 50,000 which is still to many numbers for my cheap math LOL.