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Oh I love this part! This is the part where you know I'm right and you're going to try and change the argument in the most ridiculous possible fashion so you look less stupid LOLOL Nice try kid but you just embarrassing yourself. Many of our elected officials have commented on american elections and met with members of a proposition parties and such and will likely continue to do so. In no universe is that anything remotely close to election interference and you are absolutely stupid for trying to defend it as such. Grow up, you may not be the smartest person on the board but you're certainly smarter than that. If a government starts putting money into one of the organizations then that's interference. If they send people to infiltrate those organizations or the like then that's interference. Commentary is not interference and in fact this issue was examined in depth when john Oliver claimed to be flouting a Canadian law which forbids foreign interference by demanding everyone vote for the liberals during an election and demanding that Canada come arrest him. It was explained at the time but this isn't actually what is considered to be interference. You get these ideas in your head and you defend them to the death even though they are not supportable by the facts and you really need to stop doing that. When you apply yourself you're not a bad thinker and it's disappointing to see you behaving in this fashion. You're not Robo Smith for God's sake

No deal was necessary to begin with. You're actually beginning to realize the truth. And actually the feds would have done vastly more good with vastly less money by just augmenting funding to the existing programs This was about optics. This was about the appearance of the trudeau government making things better for Canadians when it wasn't for the NDP to look like they were getting something for their blind subservience to the liberal cause which they didn't This was never about benefiting Canadians and was completely unnecessary. Now Carney's looking at the books and realizing that he can't afford to expand programs that won't actually produce results. The whole thing was in a massive waste. The funny thing is for the money they were looking at setting aside for it they could have bought private insurance like people have with their work for literally every single Canadian who didn't have work coverage currently and it would have included medical and dental. This is why we're broke in our country is in ruin

You have to read between the lines there. He means he dropped out in grade 9

It's a pretty complicated issue so good luck with that. Not that people are incapable of understanding complex issues but the reality is is the more complex the issue the easier it is to muddle it and get people who aren't expert confused. the average person who doesn't have hours to examine all of this stuff we'll have a difficult time sorting wheat from the chaff. You should becomes how far they want to push it. We do have a thing called The Clarity Act which allows for a province that is substantially unhappy with confederation to negotiate in good faith to basically become more sovereign within Canada. But it doesn't allow for them to leave Canada. That would require essentially armed rebellion. And the question becomes would that be worth it if they've already got 90% of what they want? There are benefits to remaining in Canada. Being your own country has a lot of risks and problems associated with it. I'm becoming part of America means basically becoming like maine, with zero power and 0 influence and you're fighting with all the other states for the same things that you're fighting for in Canada. You still going to run into states aren't going to want a pipeline between your province and the ocean. And if they support a pipeline to Texas you're only going to be able to sell to one customer, same as now So if somebody says alberta can make its own laws, collect its own taxes, have sovereignty over 80% of what it wants to, and can opt out of a number of things but it doesn't want to participate in but still has some connection to Canada and some obligation, it's most likely people may say close enough. It is severely unlikely that alberta would actually separate as a sovereign nation entire. Severely unlikely. But a more interesting thing would be what happens in the future after that. Other western provinces me very well demand the same rights. And after a. Of time those western nations may look at each other and say maybe it is time to split completely. Or if not completely to form something closer to an European economic union with each other or with the rest of Canada and further reduce the federal sovereignty Canada really should never have been this big. The western provinces have been exploited since day one and the country just does not function well as one big huge massive sovereign nation. We only did it to protect ourselves from The Americans. We can still achieve that without having a strong a federal government as we do now

I just want to pause here for a moment and point out that the fact that we cut trees down with axes primarily made of wood is kind of a dick move. "Oh hey, did you two know each other? BWAAAAAHAHAHAH (chop chop chop!!"

At the end of the day a democracy survives only because people believe that the system is a fair representation of the will of the public. Currently that is not the case and despite the whining from the democrats it is not the case for either side. Polling is clear that whichever side wins the other side has no faith in the process The Americans desperately need to pass anything they can that restores faith that the process is substantially fair and free of fraud. Both sides should be engaged in creating that impression whether they genuinely feel there has been significant fraud or not

There's nothing false about that! How is that a false equivalency in the slightest? We had tons of partisan actors openly promoting and even meeting with americans and doing interviews on there talk shows and such, it's exactly the same thing To me precisely how it's different. Trump even made the accusation recently that rob ford's commercials were interference in the elections that were being held at the state level at that time. It's interference if the US government gives money to a separatist group or a non separatist group for that matter. The commentary is absolutely common on both sides of the border and always has been and is not a false equivalency in the slightest. You don't get to call something a false equivalency just because it blows your little complaint out of the water

Yeah, and this isn't one of those threads where it's kind of a fake situation or a particular article hammering home a particular political point of view or anything, there were plenty of those out there and I deliberately chose a neutral one They are backing away from the deal they made with the NDP and I expect that soon it'll be in the trash heap. The fact is the provinces already had these programs in place for the most part. BC for example already covered diabetic medicine and birth control before the program the liberals came up with came out. So the liberals know if they back off nobody's going to really notice in British Columbia But I bet all of those dippers who try to defend to jag meet because of pharmacare are feeling pretty stupid right now

It does, in fact, require special training and occasionally a concussion

Looks to me like he's writing for his audience There are like 10 people old enough on this board to get the breakfast club reference there but I got it

@User answered before, you just chose to ignore it because you know he's right and as predicted you're trying to drag the argument down to a semantics game. Kid. You're fooling no one. Everyone here is laughing at you,

Really? I woudn't have thought the first nations would agree to that

Give me a break. Was canada "interfering" when canadian personalities and people on the web commented during trump's election? give me a break We comment on their political processes, they comment on ours, that's not interference. If their give $100,000 to a separatist group, that's interference, or if they pay a bot farm to flood canada's social media etc.

But life was still affordable. You claimed it wasn't. It was expensive but affordable and 2015. You claimed it wasn't .It is now no longer affordable. A concern and an issue to keep an eye on suddenly became a disaster under the liberals. And every election Justin promised he was going to fix the problem, and after every election it got worse. This is a liberal made crisis. Immigration played a large role of it because immigration was not indexed to capacity of medicine homes and other infrastructure. The excessive taxes have played a role in it, the flight of business investment from Canada has played a large role in it, so on and so forth You want to pretend but it's not a liberal issue but this is 100% a liberal issue I'm the one that had to tell you that Also all those facts I mentioned and links to, and the facts that other people gave you as well all of which that prove this is the case. Yes really. And that's the liberals fault. Life has become less affordable under the libs. A LOT less affordable, not just a little. To the point where the current up and coming generations will have a substantially worse quality of life. That's what you've done to this country

It is severely unlikely that Alberta would actually leave per se. What would happen is they would be able to negotiate a species of sovereignty association where they have a considerably larger amount of autonomy within Canada. This has been talked about at length when Quebec was thinking about leaving. There's really no provision in the constitution that allows for a province to actually leave and that presents problems That isn't to say that other provinces may not demand the same sort of autonomy if it's granted to alberta and we may see a radical change in Canada that severely de-emphasizes federation and moves closer to something like the European Union where each province basically makes its own rules but there's certain common trading agreements etc

I suspect that the feds may make all kinds of announcements designed to appease the separatists but I suspect they're going to miss judge things a bit. And they certainly won't intend on following through very much of it I doubt the Americans care enough to participate. The realities were not actually talking about true separation here. He is unlikely that Alberta would actually become its own independent nation or break off to join the Americans. At best they would Negotiate some sort of sovereignty association agreement where they had much more independence in autonomy while still remaining part of Canada

But you failed. All you provided evidence for was how inventive they have been in the past. That much is true that does not however suggest that they are currently innovative in any kind of exceptional way or that they will be although certainly that's possible But right now they take ideas from other people and utilize the information to allow their industry to produce something at a lower cost. Which means they can never actually get ahead of those people other than perhaps doing the same thing in a slightly more creative fashion which is simply not going to make you a leader I don't know how to address this more effectively than I already have. Frankly looking at the science journals most of the good work is still coming from other countries besides china and most of the stuff coming out of china is interesting but not translating into actual products When you actually look at the tech being manufactured it's not china that is inventing the stuff. Absolute horse shit. Well it is always possible to build on other people's work you are trying to suggest that copying learning and adapting is the same as innovation and that is a lie. The Chinese model currently revolves around the idea of stealing other people's ideas and marketing it in a more effective fashion. That's great but they can't get a head like that, all they can do is keep pace. And even that can be challenging because they're simply are things that they cannot convert into their model. That is why they're military is behind the times and why you just don't see them coming up with innovative Technologies or ideas, just plays on the same thing that someone else came up with

And even more good news: On literally every front we fall further and further behind

I never mentioned 2010. YOU mentioned 2015 ad nausium and i've posted the links a half dozen times INCLUDING looking at it from the point of view of a young couple starting out AND from the perspective of a couple with children. All the facts, all the figures all the links, looked at incomes and costs for suitable housing etc etc. All been done. And others did the same, posting the same info for you. And not once, not once were you able to refute any of it. You just kept posting luxury home prices and saying if they can't afford that then it's not affordable, which is beyond stupid. You don't need to own a mansion in british props for it to be affordable to live in the GVRD. You have no idea how desperate and pathetic you look right now. There's no comprehension problem. Everybody saw what you said. Life is expensive but affordable in 2015. It isn't affordable now and that's a result of 11 years of liberal rule. That's what you kept freaking out about and desperately trying to argue it wasn't true when it is Honestly this is starting to get sad to watch. I've met flat earthers with their shit together more than you have

Well you left out the option where he has a minor conniption fit and blames the fact that you're right on my postcount somehow..... But I think we can probably rule out coming to his senses and realizing he's being a twat

LOOK GUYS , I'M WINNING MY ARGUMENT!!! Moonbox In his case, practice.

I'm sure the voices in your head tell you that that's true. Nobody else will You did an entire thread on it to try and desperately every way possible to claim that life was just as unaffordable under harper in 2015 as justin using vancouver as an example, despite several people heaping facts and figures on you proving you were absolutely wrong. You went on like 4 pages Your whole claim was that 2015 under harper is no different than 2024 was under justin as far as affordability went. LOL nice try kiddo Already did, and everyone's laughing at you LOL You can't spend five pages or whatever you spent trying to make that argument and then claim that you never tried to make that argument. That's Just Stupid and honest to god it's getting boring how delusional you get. People show you a solid fact and provide information and citations and logic and reason and two seconds later you'll turn around and pretend it all doesn't exist The only way you get through your life is through denial. Think about what that says about you

Yes but with herbie around the hypocrisy is free and unlimited!

LOL i felt good BEFORE that You're the one that's having the emotional breakdown here. You're the one who's desperately begging and crying and whining, I'm just responding to your rather hilarious antics I mean I come here for the laughs, a little bit of decent conversation here and there, and to catch up on some news that I probably wouldn't have seen somewhere else and to read the meme thread. You seem to come here for no other reason than to try and pick fights with you immediately lose I'm pissing moan about like a child. Sorry kid, I'm sure you think you're relevant to anyone else's life but you just not It's what he does. He does it with everyone. His other big trick is to try and nitpick a certain word in your argument after he realizes he can't actually address your argument Pointing this out to him is like pointing out to a dung beetle that it's covered in dung. It doesn't know what you mean because it can't imagine being any different

You knew that the search engine was disabled when you asked. There's nothing convenient about it you're just a lying sack of crap who tried to use a cheap debate tactic that an elementary student would see through and you got called on it I'm sure you're intellect is considered quite impressive with goats and other barnyard animals you hang out with But here? Please. Everybody knows that you're only logical defense other than pretending words don't mean what they actually do is to see lion. Sorry kid. You become less and less interesting every time you post. It's like you're actually getting Dumber LOL @Moonbox... told ya everyone was wise to your crap