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Harper didn't get a minority and then peg his way to a majority. The people trusted him with the majority right off the bat and it's very different than this situation. But you seem to be being critical of harper here are you saying that what harper did is right and therefore what carney has done is right? Or are you saying what harper did is wrong and therefore we're currently has done is wrong?

Are you unfamiliar with California?

It was crap and proof of that has been posted many times. That's why people were so frustrated then why Biden was doing so badly in the polls. You also have to be careful from where you take your statistics because remember that many of the statistics were "revised" To be far worse than they were originally reported. This includes crime, job numbers, and a number of other economic factors But at the end of the day you can play with the numbers all you want but the people on the ground are the truth. The economy was crap and people wanted to hold Biden to account for it

So you're claiming that there's absolutely zero problems whatsoever with immigrants coming into Canada. The program is working perfectly, it's not having an impact on us at all that's negative. Nothing to fix there That's your argument?

There was no hole. In fact Trudeau got caught up in some of harper's legislation not to mention the whole ethics commissioner who caught him and found him guilty during the Aga Khan incident and several others The same one who's blown the whistle on carney. Or did you forget that that was a harper creation as well. And once again you want to try and blame Trudeau's corruption and now Carney's corruption on harper. You and your friends are the ones that keep a corrupt government in power in Canada. You have absolutely no interest in accountability and the only reason you whine about it is to cover the fact that you're thrilled as hell keep supporting the crap out of a corrupt scumbag who's stealing the next generation's money as fast as you'll let him

I don't think 'reason' is one of the factors you consider when you post here. You misspelled 'retarded'

That tends to be a matter of perspective. For example you might well make the argument that Biden's mishandling a files less egregious than trumps because he cooperated but there's still a breach in the law that was forgiven when it was biden. Likewise I find obama's direct interference with the intelligence operators to produce a fake report suggesting trump was a Russian agent to be more egregious than anything trump has done to date. Others may feel differently. This is always the problem my voters allow their perception to justify letting their favorites off the hook. And I do mean that from both sides. In a world where voters were doing their job they should have crucified the democrats and all those involved for the fake job charges over trump. Likewise trump supporters probably should have held trump a lot more to account for his over the line efforts to find a legal loophole to exploit to try and win the election in 2020. The problem we have now is that everybody knows that the democrats tried to use the legal system to go after trump and prevent him from running or ruin his chances and so now the republicans aren't the slightest interested when he targets democrats. The FBI got away with targeting trump for the most part and even were convicted of criminal charges which the perpetrator got off on essentially, and the dem supporters stayed silent or even cheered, and now republicans don't care when ICE is used to go farther than some would be comfortable with and bend laws they way THEY like. I honestly believe that the only way forward for democracy to work is for voters to be a lot more honest about what's going on. Sure we're going to have our favorites and you're probably going to lean towards being forgiving to them compared to the other guy but right now it's insane We should be punishing parties that spread negative nonsense about the other guy instead of promoting their own position, and I don't mean when they criticize policy but when they make it all about personal attacks, and we should be punishing any corruption or political shenanigans most harshly.

And you can't argue against it! Which is about 100% of your participation on this thread For heaven's sake, calm down kid

It's not pity, it's the arrogance and hatred of the left that brought us to this point. The sheer incompetence made this inevitable. The left literally made trump look like a better choice and a more reasonable president than electing the left. Think about that for a minute Yawn. Biden did the same thing, no charges. And everyone everywhere knew that was a completely bullshit charge doctored up to weaponize the courts against him. about 75 percent of people polled said the charges were politically motivated, and they were. Even the people who agreed with the charges thought they were politically motivated in most cases, they just didn't care. The whole felony charge thing required that the jury believe that another crime MIGHT have happened without proof. They didn't even need to agree on WHICH crime. It got called the Tinkerbell law and everybody understood that this was an example of the democrats using the courts to persecute their opponents. It turned people off in a massive way. It was so banana republic it wasn't even funny. It made the democrats look like a corrupt bunch of complete lunatics who could not be trusted with power And sure enough people kick them to the curb Where is Biden's kids saw a trial but then was set free by Biden who swore he would never do that unclaimed the only reason he was going after trump is that nobody was above the law There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously The thing is when democrats police kinds of crimes people like you applaud with both hands and give thumbs up and then our shocked and horrified when republicans don't freak out when a republican does it Nobody cares about your bullshit made up charges. And that was proved when the public voted him in again with him gaining ground and literally every single county so hard they bounced a few times Keep it up in the same thing will happen

And? So you think that makes it ok for carney? Hilarious

Still you kid The only motion I demonstrate when I'm talking to you is amusement That's your go-to whenever you're losing an argument and you desperately want to make other people responsible for your own crap Behavior Not only am I aware of you kid but so is everyone else here. You're fooling no one

Neither. I'm promoting the truth and letting the chips fall where they may. What you said was essentially wrong. It's worth pointing out when people say things that are essentially wrong. It's also interesting to note that it's positions like this which grossly misrepresented the facts or outright lied along with the constant insistence that everyone associated with trump including his supporters were Nazis and fascists extensively long before the election that that is exactly what was going to happen. It's not good for the democrat party to be completely destroyed or to fall apart and become inconsequential. But that is what's happening right now and it's largely because of dishonesty like that which you just demonstrated. The left needs to get back on track or we're going to become a one party system sooner or later. And Canada may always be a little slower but it'll happen here too

Based on what? Your argument was specifically that our policies made our city safer for people like you and the evidence does not support that Oh please. Violence between gangs is not random violence obviously. You're playing it dishonest game Because neither you or I are in a gang as far as I'm aware. Criminal games fighting each other rarely impact the safety of individual citizens. Mass shootings would be included in that. That is random violence. But you made specific statements about people in policy and I have limited the violence to reflect that. If you're not in a gang then violence that only occurs between gangs isn't relevant. If you and your wife beat each other up or shoot each other in a domestic violence situation that has absolutely nothing to do with government policy and isn't the kind of violence we're talking about Right. I'm sure you'll get right on that. It's pretty obvious you did. You deliberately ignored something I said and tried to come back with something different. And not surprisingly when we take a look at what information I provided is suggests that I'm right and I'm sure that if you looked into it you were finding the same thing and simply didn't want to admit that There's nothing new about it. Two people having an argument that know each other and fighting is normal no matter what country you live in, it happens. Criminal organizations fighting amongst themselves are significant problem but not really what we're talking about here when you talk about being able to walk around the streets safely. What you're talking about when you discussing the ability to walk about a city freely is the idea that someone random make him up and rob or stab or harm you. And the fact is candidate does not do a lot better than the states. You could cherry pick a couple of examples but overall it's just not the case Your track record doesn't allow for that. Your mistakes always just happen magically to be in favor of the position you want to promote and there's always just enough to try to make your point And here again you just "Happened" to not see the part where i referred to relevant violence, you can't imagine why i'd exclude violence that isn't relevant to the situation you described, etc. And I presented you information but rather than comment on it as an honest man would you simply say I'll look into it later and get back to you which we both know you never will If you want the benefit of the doubt then you need to behave in an honest and operate fashion. You once again dodged the simple facts I put forward and you can't refute them but rather than come back and say gosh I didn't realize that our streets were as dangerous as American streets maybe what I said was in error, you come back with this nonsense which is dodging and desperately trying to avoid discussing the issue or the facts presented And then you go on about how you're the victim and I should be nicer Dude if you argue from the point of view of honesty and address the issues raised in the conversation then it's quite possible to have an interesting disussion even when people disagree, but when you play the kind of games you play here (and always do) and run away from the facts and the issue then you make it impossible to have respect for you or your position.

Never happened. His records were correct, in any other state or country in the land that's how you record it. At best it was an accounting error, but biden and the dems weaponized the courts to go after him for it Oh you mean when he left them in his garage with his corvette? no wait that was biden. Never happened. He looked for legal loopholes to have the results come out in his favor but so have dems many times in the past. Hanging chad anyone? And when was he convicted of that? never? Yeah. You mean he's the president of the united states for a second term and there's nothing you can do about it? yeah. That's where we're at. And its primarily lies like the ones you just told that drove people into his camp.

No, that would involve shoving a few crayons up my nose and possibly a concussion, and i'm out of crayons and am wearing a helmet.

IF only science could discover a way to power vehicles by hypocrisy.

It would be being wrong if you were unaware of it. When you are aware of it but ignore it yet it stole the virtues of Canadian cities as if it doesn't exist and it's hypocrisy. And don't tell me you're not aware how dishonest that is. I specifically said removed the gang in criminal rates, but you chose to include it. Criminals killing criminals isn't really what we're talking about here. And have now posted something dishonest For example, new york. Everyone knows how dangerous new york is right, you can get killed just walking around New York City (2024): As of early May 2024, there were 95 reported unprovoked attacks in New York City, according to NYPD data, with 50 of those victims being women. Canadian stats are harder to come by because the cops don't like to track it that way (makes the public scared), but... Vancouver Focus: In 2021-2022, Vancouver experienced a reported surge, with police highlighting over four stranger attacks per day. (stranger attacks) stranger attacks on the rise in canada - Google Search Even now it's higher than new york by leaps and bouds. So I said something very specific and you then dishonestly attempted to change the goal posts by providing data on something other than what I had said If you're a criminal it's more dangerous in the states but the reality is for the average person random violence is more likely in Canadian major metros then in the states So your entire premise is false

These things can just develop a life of their own in the most incredible ways and most unexpected fashions when they get going. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out

Oh you and your friends provide examples of the latter daily, it's quite easy to see the difference. All you do is show up here in parse your feelings out on the keyboard, make ad hominem attacks and then cry like a baby when people point it out You never start a thread, you never contribute intellectually, you just lash out and then start quivering like a Chihuahua. And it's not just with me. You're a broken little person kiddo,

Bullahit. You would have voted liberal no matter who the CPC leader was or what he was doing. There's no 'maga' in the cpc, Carney has been more trump like that PP and has praised him far more as well, not to mention rolling over for him. The simple fact is you have a cult like attachment to the liberals and nothing anyone can do or say will shake that. They can commit any crime, destroy the country and it's economy, and you'll still sing their praises even if jesus himself were leading the cpc.

We could literally daily post stories of random stabbings and people being killed and all of our major cities in Canada due to the liberal crime policies. Most of which were people that were arrested and then released We don't have as much gang crime here but when it comes to random violent crime we rival most of the US cities Your hypocrisy is amazing

Awww did i make you cry again little guy LOLOL hey your stupidity is NOT my fault. Wow, that's one of the least logical things you've said in quite some time and it was up against some pretty stiff competition Me criticizing liberals for electing liberal governments despite the corruption is no reason not to support a different political leader that I'm not talking about at the time That's just dumb I get it. You're embarrassed about your support for the left wing and you're angry that you can't defend it and you want that to be my fault as usual. The very first thing you need to learn is that if you truly don't like corruption you can't be supporting corrupt governments. You need to be punishing them. For the last eight years the NDP has been nothing more than support for the liberals. If you vote NDP you're voting for the liberals. And now the NDP is gone.

Sure i have. Losing his riding should never have happened, and i said as much. I've said clearly that even if the people leaving are being bribed, if he can't get his caucus under control he's got to go. I was very critical of his "sloganeering" even before trudeau stepped down, his 'lets have a carbon tax election" nonsense was lazy and way too easy to deflect (which is precisely what happened). Well you think that because you have to lie to yourself to prop up your fake positions and echo chamber logic. But it has nothing to do with reality. I'm happy to point out the lies you guys say when you claim he "blew a 40 point lead" or whatever it's up to now And point out how stupid it is to say that a guy who got 41.5 percent of the vote is 'unelectable" or something equaliy stupid, but when he makes a mistake i'm happy to call him on it. that's the biggest difference between you and I. For me the truth works and supports my position so I've got no problem using it. For you the truth is more like Kryptonite and your argument weakens and falls apart around it. So you have to lie

That's the easiest kind of stuff in the world to rebut. Just like I'm doing with you right now. well made and logical arguments or observations are the hard things to rebut because there's nothing to rebut, they're solid. So if the argument is weak or there' nothing to it it's easy to debunk. But you couldn't I've told you before kid, if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd still be twice as smart as you actually are.

So you're saying that what he said is correct then? There's nothing to disagree with he was right. That a painted yourself into a corner of there kiddo. If there's nothing to disagree with why are you whining? And if there was something to disagree with why didn't you actually disagree with it? You don't have much luck with this thinking thing do you?