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Why would you oppose it for murder? Do you also oppose abortion and medical assistance in dying? Or do you just oppose capital punishment for murderers?

Actually I said I support the death penalty for murder and it must be done by lawful authorities after a proper trial and ensure there would be no mistake. I also said the justice system should be strengthened to make sure there would be no incorrect guilty verdicts.

Random attacks against citizens is getting worse I think. Something needs to be done. Would you oppose capital punishment for murder?

I did not say that. We do not have capital punishment in Canada. I said capital punishment for murder after due process and by lawful authorities would be a good idea. Most Canadians support that idea. The law would have to be changed first. Attacks on innocent citizens is out of control and occurring daily. Just heard this morning that several more people were stabbed. This is not something that we should tolerate.

There are countries that outlaw any public criticism of someone else's religion. I don't think that is the case in America or Canada. There are some authoritarian countries that forbid public speaking about many subjects, places such as China, Russia, Iran, and N. Korea. Some countries you could end up in prison or even sentenced to death for saying the wrong thing. I was wondering how far freedom of speech should be permitted to go. Should there be limits and what should those limits be? Who determines what the limits should be?

No, I am not saying that. There are immoral laws because governments are made up of fallible, immoral men of varying degrees. We are living in an imperfect, fallen world.

No, I don't think God knew every country would be acting lawfully and wisely. Don't forget the world is a fallen, corrupt place since the fall of Adam and Eve. The fact that the Bible says the world was created in six days is a supernatural event. The Bible is about the supernatural. That is how God created everything. I understand lots of people don't accept that but I am not sure how they explain the existence of the complex universe. What do you think?

Forgive me for my ignorance but I'm not sure what you are asking. Yes, according to the Bible human life is sacred. But according to the Bible in Genesis 9:6 KJV, murderers were to be executed. This would be by lawful authorities or government, not vigilantes.

I am sorry you took it that way. I apologize if I came across as arrogant. Actually you are blaming me for my God being the only true God, but in fact that is what the Bible and Jesus Christ say. So if I am believing God and Jesus who is also the Son of God and part of the triune God of the Bible, how am I being arrogant? I am simply saying what God said in his written word, the Bible. You can fault me for coming across as arrogant, because I can understand your point that in a world of many major religions and belief systems, when one religion such Christianity claims to be the only true religion, naturally you would interpret that as arrogant. People who don't believe the Bible to begin with would naturally interpret that as arrogant. So I don't blame you for believing that I am arrogant. If claiming Jesus and the God of the Bible is the only true God and the only truth, defines one as arrogant, then I have to plead guilty. I am sorry that offends you though. My failure is I am a poor communicator for Biblical matters. I have failed at communicating what I believe and what the Bible says without coming across as arrogant. I concede that is entirely my fault. I am sorry you were offended by it. My problem if you call it that is that I take the Bible literally in general and I take Jesus words literally. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." gospel of John, ch14 vs 6. KJV Jesus is saying right in that verse that he is the only way to heaven or to reach the Father. The way I see it is that it means Christianity is by it's nature an exclusive religion. If one takes what Jesus said at its face value, then all other religions and belief systems must be rejected because that is in effect what he is saying here. Or is my interpretation wrong? That is the problem I face. So I must acknowledge I have been arrogant. I just don't know what to say about it other than what I have said. I am truly sorry you find it offensive and arrogant. Perhaps I need to learn how to better communicate in a diplomatic manner. I am still struggling with that because I don't know how to do that. That is my fault and problem. You are not the first person who has found me to be arrogant. I am still struggling with that problem. I admit it is my achilles heel or weakness. How do I communicate if my beliefs are so repulsive? I don't know.

What makes you think it is imaginary friends? How did you come to that conclusion?

Saying that shows you are a deeply troubled individual. You sound like a very young person, maybe under 20 or 30. Pride is one of the deadly sins. That is a big ego thinking you know everything and there is nothing anybody can teach you or point out to you. That is pride, a deadly sin. "15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. " Romans 9:15, 16 KJV All mankind is lost unless God saves them. You cannot be saved and receive eternal life unless God chooses you. Nobody can. That is the way it is according to Romans ch.9 KJV "18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? {repliest…: or, answerest again, or, disputest with God?} 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: {fitted: or, made up} 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? " Romans 9:18-24 KJV I will say a prayer, but it is in God's hands. I pray that God will have mercy on you and open your eyes so that you might believe the Bible, believe the gospel and receive eternal life. In Jesus name, Amen.

" In “You Don’t Know What You Don’t Know: Knowledge, Understanding, and Wisdom,” Hugh Whelchel charts the differences between the three terms. Whelchel says that at first glance the terms seem almost interchangeable, but there are differences. Knowledge, he says, deals with knowing the facts. People with knowledge can “collect, remember, and access information,” but they might not know what to do with that information. A person can be knowledgeable without being wise. Understanding, Whelchel says, is “the ability to translate meaning from the facts. Those with understanding can “extract the meaning out of information”—seeing the what, how, and why—enabling a person to produce life principles. Wisdom, then, is “knowing what to do next, given an understanding of the facts and circumstances.” A person with wisdom knows which principle to apply in a given context and do the right thing.' What Does the Bible Say about Knowledge? (biblestudytools.com) Many people who do not believe in God have knowledge. We know that. But wisdom is an entirely different thing. Without God there is no true wisdom. God is the source of true wisdom. When leaders of a country and other people allow or support abortion on demand, allow doctor assisted suicide, and yet oppose capital punishment for murderers, you know they lack wisdom that comes from God. They might have knowledge about a lot of things particularly their political ideology of liberalism. But when that is contrary to God's revelation to man, the Bible, then you know they lack wisdom.

Not according to the Biblical definition. "7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. " Proverbs 1:7 KJV There are many people who think they are wise according to this world's standards, but in God's eyes they are fools. The Bible says plainly those that do not believe in God are fools. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." Psalm 1:1 KJV It is very clear so there is nothing to debate about it.

The U.S. is an entirely different country with ten times the population and runs entirely differently. The have Constitutional rights to carry firearms which has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths per year. Of course it can't be compared and is not relevant to the discussion. Criminals likely don't think a lot about the penalty or they don't think straight or logically, but the death penalty should give some second thoughts. It's pretty straightforward and simple.

No. Wisdom comes from God himself. Faith in itself does not necessarily equate to wisdom, although it is a sign a person is on the right track to grow in wisdom. The wisdom come from almighty God through his written revelation as revealed by the Holy Spirit working in an individual. A good example of God's wisdom which Solomon had is described in 1 Kings ch3 in the Bible: "16 Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him. 17 And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house. 18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house. 19 And this woman’s child died in the night; because she overlaid it. 20 And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom. 21 And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear. 22 And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king. 23 Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living. 24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. 25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other. 26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it. {yearned: Heb. were hot} 27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof. 28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment. {in him: Heb. in the midst of him} " 1 King 3:16-28 KJV King Solomon had received wisdom of God. ________________ When society functions, there are accidents sometimes and cannot be avoided. A legal system is not perfect. But that does not mean that people who deserve capital punishment for murder should escape it. That is a denial of justice. Society is full of examples of things we do to function where there accidents from time to time, but we don't stop doing things because someone might get hurt or be killed by accident. An example is the health care system. People die in surgery or as a result of it form time to time. We don't stop operating on people because there is a chance someone might die. There are innocent people killed on the highways all the time but we don't stop people from driving because there might be an accident and an innocent person gets killed. We don't stop flying aircraft because an aircraft crashes once in while. By the same reasoning, we should not stop giving capital punishment because there could be an accident sometime. That destroys justice. We should however do everything humanly possible to avoid making a mistake.

What proof of that 16 years do you have? That could be in the U.S. not Canada. You mentioned the U.S. before. We are talking about Canada. There is no reason why the laws cannot be changed to make the time short. Of course there must be enough time allowed for an appeal, but the system can be set up so things happen expeditiously. No need to take 16 years. You just defined yourself right there and cast doubt on any argument you might have or made. "1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 14: 1-3 KJV Therein lies the real reason we do not have capital punishment for murderers... heathenism or an anti-God attitude that is destroying society and western civilization. The foundation of a civilized society has been our Christian heritage. That is what brought human rights, democracy, and a semblance of a justice system that gives consideration to the rights of the accused. These things do not exist in non-Christian countries or heathen nations. Read the King James Bible, Gospel of John and come to the knowledge of God and His Son Jesus before it is too late. You are speaking entirely as a natural man and spoke against the one thing that is the source of true wisdom, that is, God. " True wisdom, like God’s grace, is alien to the natural man. Wisdom is, in fact, a divine gift that is granted by God whenever any believer asks. This is the clear teaching of James:" The True Meaning of Wisdom - What It Is and How to Get It (biblestudytools.com)

No, the legal system would be the one that decides the innocence or guilt of a murderer and pronounce the sentence. Mankind is not perfect since the Fall of Man. But we must do the best we can with what God has given us in terms of a justice system to protect society.

The fact is it just doesn't work that way. We see how the Supreme Court ruled that murderers who are sentenced to life only means 25 years and then they must be given the chance to apply for parole and drag the victim's family through the whole horror show again every few years. The Supreme Court ruled everyone must have a "faint hope" which is soft-on-crime ideology of liberals. That is one problem with this whole thing. We have also seen the parole board release dangerous offenders simply because they are aboriginal and last September a guy stabbed eleven or twelve people to death in Saskatchewan. We see how the liberal government is constantly changing and tweeking the laws in line with their liberal soft-on-crime ideology. This creates more threats and danger from convicted murderers. They want to release aboriginals and blacks into society because of their higher numbers in prison. The truth is when you lock people up for life you create a new set of problems. 1. High cost over the length of time, possibly over a million dollars for the taxpayer to pay. Why should the taxpayers have to pay for a murderer to live? 2. You create a danger that a convicted murderer will be released on parole and murder someone else in future. Nobody can predict what such a person will do. 3. Capital punishment for murder is ordered by God in Genesis in the Bible, which is written by men who were inspired by God. See Genesis 9:6 KJV This is not human wisdom. This comes from God. The other principle taught in Scripture is a fact can be established by several witnesses. Your claim that witnesses will lie is overblown and you would have to give some proof and show why. Courts are ready to hear all of the evidence and reasons why a particular witness is not trustworthy or why the witness is credible. Yes, humans are fallible, but this is the only known system we have on earth to protect society from evil people such as murderers.

I don't believe it would be more expensive to enforce capital punishment than life in prison. No reason why it should cost a lot of money. I also don't believe that there are the number of mistakes in Canada as you seem to claim. Perhaps the system will need to be revamped and a better system put in place before the capital punishment is brought in, but I think that is the only thing that might provide some deterrence. Canadians are sick of seeing the daily killings going on and nothing being done to try to stop it. Far more innocent people are being killed, including policemen, than would ever be mistakenly killed by capital punishment. Actually more lives may be saved if it can be also used as a deterrent for would-be murderers. But like I said I would be glad to see the system revised to make sure that there are no false guilty verdicts for murder cases. I am sure there must be ways it could be improved. I do not believe in giving 25 year sentences to murderers, especially cases of multiple murders. It sends the wrong message to society and does nothing to deter murderers. Abolition of capital punishment was not done because mistakes have been made; it was abolished because of liberal, left soft-on-crime ideology. They have no concept of justice. They have often let dangerous offenders out that go on to kill other people. This should never happen. Capital punishment would help eliminate that problem. The person would not be around to be let out to victimize other people as they are doing now. "In 2021, police services from across Canada reported 788 homicides, 29 more than in 2020." That works out to more than two homicides per day on average.

I believe there could be certain cases such as the two I mentioned where there were a number of eye witnesses: The mosque attack and the van attack on many people along the street. There may have been many eye witnesses. Perhaps where there are a number of witnesses as in those kind of cases, there would be no chance of a mistake. It costs I believe over a hundred thousand a year to keep someone in prison in Canada. Very doubtful that capital punishment would be more expensive. Mass shootings where there are many witnesses is another case where there would be no doubt. The system would have to be re-designed so that is was absolutely error proof. That would require a lot of research and work and new laws. I doubt it will ever happen in Canada. This has nothing to do with Trudeau.

I believe the justice system has improved much the last number of years with the use of DNA evidence and scientific methods. Then there are also many cases where there eye witnesses. What about that? There might be overwhelming evidence he is the one. There are many variables. I doubt there is any reason why there would be mistakes. There could be systems devised to virtually eliminate any possibility of error. You also have appeal procedures. Things could be done to make sure there are no mistakes in finding guilt. Also, there could be capital punishment for only cases that are very strong with no likelihood of error. Every case is different. I don't believe horrific murderers should escape capital punishment if the evidence is unquestionable and perhaps eye witnesses. If a convicted criminal can produce some serious and credible reasons why his trial was doubtful, then he could be dealt with accordingly with a new trial. There are things that could be done. Just giving every murderer a free pass with a 25 year sentence is not justice. Also all murder cases should have a jury trial. Never just by a judge. I don't know what system they use for murder trials. Juries are instructed that if there is any doubt at all, they are to find the person not guilty. We can recall where some innocent people were convicted, but the system could be changed to ensure that doesn't happen again. What about mass murderers where there were a number of witnesses? Examples like the shooting of multiple people in a mosque as the Quebec City shootings where there were a number of eye witnesses? Why should someone like that escape capital punishment? Then there is the guy that drove a van down a street in Toronto and killed a lot of people, seriously injured many others, and was seen by many witnesses. Why should someone like that escape capital punishment? With the eye witnesses there is no question who did it.

First we are talking about first degree murder. · 1st-degree murder Definition: A homicide that is both planned and deliberate. The main reason for the death penalty should not be as a deterrent, although it might be a deterrent in some cases. We don't know about all potential murders that would have been avoided because of the death penalty because if there was no murder, then there may be no charges laid. The primary reason for the death penalty as I see it is it satisfies justice. If one plans and deliberately takes another person's life, he gives up the right to his own life. "6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. " Genesis 9:6 KJV "3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Romans 13: 3, 4 KJV God is the final authority on right and wrong, and what is justice, not man. The value of human life is infinite and must be viewed as sacred. Man is corrupt and depraved and is therefore by himself unable to know or understand justice as God sees it.

Why do you think people like Clifford Olson who killed all kinds of kids or the guy that killed a dozen people should not get capital punishment? Or the guy that shot two police officers or even one police officer in Ontario? Do you seriously think no capital punishment is sending the right message to would-be murderers? They know they will be coddled for the next 25 years at taxpayer's expense if they are caught and then maybe get out on parole. Some message! Nobody said you would have to flip the switch. There are countless people who would do the job.

The majority of Canadians in all provinces except Quebec would support capital punishment for murder. Quebec is the only province where a minority would not support capital punishment. Why is that? Quebec is mostly nominal Roman Catholic and has a different ideology. It is likely Canada abolished capital punishment because of politicians from Quebec, not the rest of Canada. Once again they dominate Canada and most PMs come from Quebec. The only logical reason they would support Trudeau is because he is a son of Quebec.

Haiti sounds like the kind of country that could be ripe for a Communist revolution or takeover. An authoritarian regime led by someone like Fidel Castro that would appeal to the masses. A brutal dictator might be preferable in the minds of many people to the endless anarchy we see now. Of course there would be no freedom or basic rights any more. But that is what can happen when a country is in anarchy and lawlessness. The evil dictators see it as an opportunity to grab power and rule with an iron fist. Perhaps such a dictator will convince some of the gangs to side with him and help pull it off. It seems like countries that don't understand Protestant Judeo-Christian principles and beliefs, are ripe for Communist takeovers. Countries that are heavily Roman Catholic also seem to lean toward Communism. The same mentality is playing out in France right now. The government is raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 and there are massive demonstrations opposing that. Yet, to keep the retirement age at 62 would push the country into massive debt and is not sustainable. Many people don't care. They have one of the lowest retirement ages in the world. They just want the government to provide everything and are willing to burn down the place to try to get what they want.