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You are straying from the truth. It would be pointless for me to try dissect every detail you raised because I'm sure you would find a counter argument. An artist producing a work of art such as Michelangelo does not negate the horrors of warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed you mentioned. Similarly, the good things that Canada may have contributed to the world do not negate the negative things that happened to millions of people in Canada. There are countless problems that millions of people have had or are experiencing. None of this would have happened if mankind had not rebelled against God in the first place.

Guess this is the enemy of mankind in your mind.

Did you know that Genesis ch1-3 in the King James Bible gives the real cause of the fall of mankind. Here is a fairly complete article on it: quote The fall of man occurred sometime after God created the world and after Satan’s rebellion in heaven. We find the biblical account of creation and the fall of man in Genesis 1–3. According to the book of Genesis, God spoke everything into existence: sky, planets, seas, vegetation, animals, and everything else. He pronounced it all “good” (Genesis 1:25). But when God made man, He got down in the dirt and formed the shape of a human body from the clay (Genesis 2:7). Then He breathed His own life into the man’s nostrils, and “man became a living soul.” He called the man “Adam.” The man had a life that differed from the plant and animal life. He had been created in God’s own image (Genesis 1:27), which means that he possessed an everlasting spirit, such as God has. He was designed to be like God, fellowship with God, reason like God, and enjoy God forever. So God placed Adam in a garden designed specifically for him (Genesis 2:8). In these perfect surroundings, God walked and talked with the man, enjoying the creation He had made and Adam’s pleasure in it (Genesis 2:19–20; 3:8). Because God did not want the man to be alone, He fashioned a woman, Eve, from one of Adam’s ribs. He gave them everything in the garden to enjoy except for the fruit from one tree (Genesis 2:16–17). God told them that, if they ate fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would die. Genesis 3 introduces us to another being involved in the fall of man: the serpent. Satan had already been cast down to earth due to his rebellion against God in heaven (Luke 10:18). Satan came to Eve as a serpent and suggested to the woman that God had not really forbidden the fruit for her good but was rather keeping good from her (Genesis 3:1–4). So she ate it and gave some to Adam (Genesis 3:5). Adam also ate it, and in that moment everything changed. Sin had entered into God’s perfect world (Romans 5:12). Mankind had fallen. The fall of man was caused by Adam’s sin. Sin is any human behavior, word, or thought that is contrary to the perfection of God. Because of Adam’s sin, God placed a curse upon the world, the people, the animals, the plants, and the very ground (Genesis 3:14–19). Their sin had brought upon them the judgment of God, and the only just punishment for such high treason is eternal death (Romans 6:23). But God then put into play a system by which human beings could find pardon for sin. God killed an animal and made garments for the man and woman to cover the nakedness that now brought them shame (Genesis 3:21). In doing so, God painted a picture of what He would do thousands of years later when the Perfect Lamb was slain to take away our sin (John 1:29; Revelation 13:8). After the fall of man, God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden and placed a cherub to guard the entrance. This was so that Adam and Eve could not return and possibly eat from the tree of life and live forever in their cursed state (Genesis 3:23–24). They were forced to find their own food and shelter. Adam had to fight weeds and thistles to eke out an existence from the ground, while Eve had to suffer in childbirth. Suffering and toil are part of the curse God put upon this world because of sin. We call this episode in human history the fall of man because, in that act of disobedience, Adam brought a curse upon every person yet to be born. The man who was designed to walk with God in unbroken fellowship had fallen from that exalted position. He was doomed to live in a broken state, in a broken world, apart from ongoing communion with a holy God. God promised that the Seed of the woman would one day save them from the eternal consequences of their sin (Genesis 3:15), but the temporary earthly consequences of sin remained. We all suffer the consequences of the fall of man. Our salvation is in calling upon the name of the Lord and trusting in Jesus’ perfect sacrifice for our sin (Romans 5:10–11; 2 Corinthians 5:18). The world groans under the curse, crying out for the relief that will come at the ultimate redemption of God’s people when Christ returns (Romans 8:22–23). When Jesus comes for all those who have trusted in Him, God will restore all things (Acts 3:21). He will create a new heaven and a new earth to replace that which sin destroyed (Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:12–13; Revelation 21:1). Mankind will no longer be “fallen” but restored and redeemed by the blood of the Lamb of God (Revelation 7:14). unquote What truly happened at the fall of man? | GotQuestions.org So we can take a couple basic facts from this: 1. Man in an act of disobedience brought a curse upon every person yet to be born. 2. The rebellion of Lucifer (who became Satan) in heaven and his being kicked out of heaven along with one third of the angels was the beginning of his influence on mankiind. 3. God's plan to counter this was the sending of His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth to die on a cross and shed his blood for the sins of mankind. This being demonstrated in the gospels as the way of redemption and salvation for lost sinners. 4. "13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. " Matthew 7:13, 14 KJV

Today government does not need gas chambers and machine guns. They have lethal injections they can give to the mentally ill to end their life. The end result is the same. It is quiet and MAID advocates call it "dying with dignity". It is still the same result as from gas chambers and machine guns. There is no dignity involved. That is propaganda. There is a similarity to Nazis and the objective is the same and Canada is heading in the same direction. I understand they offered this to some veterans who sought help for mental problems.

No, that is not what I said. It all depends on whether one accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and believes that He died on the cross and shed His blood for an atonement for His sins personally. You must come to God in faith and believe in Jesus Christ. " 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege} 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. " John 1:12, 13 KJV "16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV "12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. " Hebrews 10:12 KJV " 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. " Hebrews 11:6 KJV

Your comments imply that you are not governed by any kind of moral principles and you do not appear willing to accept any. A murderer could get into heaven if he repented and received forgiveness. There is an example in the Bible of a man who did commit murder and later received forgiveness from God, that is King David.

That kind of thinking is a sign of being under the control of the dragon or Satan. It is a rejection of God's truth and embracing evil under the belief that somehow choice is always a higher priority than the sanctity of human life. God has certain rules or commands that he has give us in the Holy Bible. There is a reason the Bible is called Holy. It is because it came from God. God's way of thinking is not the same as man's or Satan's. When God says human life is sacred, nobody has a right to say I have a right or my child has rights that supercede what God says. If we go by what you say, then anybody could do anything they feel like if they could get away with it.

IF you had a son or daughter with mental problems such as depression, would you approve of them receiving medical assistance in dying?

Just proves they were an evil lot. We know they were doing the work of the Devil.

I said we are not far from copying the Nazis. When mentally ill people are allowed to take MAID, we have gone down a dark road. That is exactly what Canada is doing. It is dishonest for you to deny that. That is disgusting. How do mentally ill people have the capacity to choose death? That is bizarre.

That is not correct. "6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. " Genesis 9:6 KJV "1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. " Romans 13:1-4 KJV Obviously if police are acting to stop a criminal from killing someone (including the policeman himself) he has the right to shot the criminal. That is just common sense. Not complicated. The verses I quoted above demonstrate that the authorities have the right to kill in certain circumstances. "he beareth not the sword in vain" is proof that the authorities have the power to use lethal force if required.

Actually I heard the Nazis killed people with mental illness. We are not far from that. Next year MAID will be available to people with mental problems.

Never said that. There are some things that are serious and result in the death of innocent people, such as abortion and MAID, which should be illegal.

Nobody has the right to take someone else's life except in certain circumstances, such as war, self-defence, police. The command "thou shalt not kill" is a central command in the Bible. Why do you not understand that? Suffering is part of life too. Nobody has the right to say it is time to end it because of suffering. That is called "mercy killing" and is still against the commandment. Once you say that mercy killing is ok, you have entered the same territory as the Nazis and you can justify anything. It is a downward spiral after that. That is just common sense. Why would you want to end it? Suicide is not right either.

Certain things should be outlawed. We already know you believe in a free-for-all. We don't live in a Christian country. It is becoming more depraved as time goes on. The world is sliding downhill. The Bible predicts this would happen before the end.

That's what you think without any understanding of the sanctity of human life and the fact humans do not have the right to end it. This is a whole other debate so I won't go there right now except for a couple comments. Natural dying is just that, natural. It is not necessarily suffering. Many people die peacefully, some even in their sleep. They also have lots of means of relieving pain for people who need it. The assumption that dying will always mean terrible suffering is a lie and meant to fool people like you. Many people are jumping ahead and taking their own lives because of the lie. They are literally being scared to death.

Not specifically a law. But abortion is legal and funded by the government health care system because it is not illegal either. Canada is one of the countries with no laws or regulations about abortion. That means the unborn persons have no protection.

Freedom is not about being free to do evil. Anybody who thinks it is about being free to do evil is only fooling themselves. Nobody is perfect and we are all sinners. But the thing is this. Some are forgiven by God because Jesus died and shed his blood and they believe in Him and His sacrifice for them. Others reject it altogether and think they will be fine without God and his salvation which is offered. A Supreme Court, laws, government or politics cannot save a person from hell. Putting trust in the world system cannot save anyone. There are only two roads, one leading to heaven and the other leading to hell.

Probably not. That's about the only thing you're correct about. Unfortunately for those that ignore the Biblical warnings, there is a day of reckoning coming. So don't say somebody didn't warn you. " 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: " Hebrews 9:27 KJV

The kind of laws you support like legalized, taxpayer funded abortions and medical assistance in dying denies the rights of the unborn to life. Euthanasia kills thousands of people every year, many who think they should take it because they can't afford to live or are handicapped and have been led to believe they are worthless. So much for rights under this heathen system. Canada is a leader in killing unborn babies and MAID. I don't see how that is protecting human rights. It is the opposite. You need to believe the King James Bible and repent of your sinful ways and attitude before it is too late. Now is the day of salvation.

Wow! You actually believe nobody should be punished for their crimes. Do you know how nonsensical that sounds? That must be liberal left ideology. quote As the supreme Lord and the perfect judge, God is the source of all justice. He loves what is good and is the giver of all blessings (Zeph 3:5; Matt 19:17; James 1:17). He also hates what is evil and requires just punishment on the sins that people commit (Ps 94:1-2; Rom 12:19; Heb 10:30). Order in society God desires that human society function justly and orderly. Therefore, he has given to human beings the responsibility to administer justice in society and to carry out fitting punishments on wrongdoers (Rom 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:13-14; see GOVERNMENT). Such punishments must always be just. They must not be relaxed to favour people of power and influence such as the rich; nor must they be imposed rashly to take advantage of defenceless people such as the poor (Exod 23:3,6; cf. Rom 2:11; James 2:6). Always the punishment must be in proportion to the crime (Exod 21:22-25; Deut 25:1-13; Gal 6:7). Where the wrongdoing involves loss or damage, the wrongdoer should compensate the person who suffers the loss or damage (Exod 22:1-6; Luke 19:8). Punishment of wrongdoers should be carried out primarily because they deserve it, not because the ruling authorities want to use them to teach others a lesson (Deut 13:10; 19:19; 25:2; Luke 23:41; Heb 2:2). If, however, the punishment serves to warn others or reform the wrongdoer, so much the better (Deut 13:11; 19:20. unquote PUNISHMENT - King James Version Bible (kjvonline.org) You really need to study the King James Bible. Man is given the responsibility to punish evil and criminals. The primary purpose of justice in society is not rehabilitation. That is not justice. The primary purpose of the administration of justice must be punishment. Nobody can argue that the liberal soft-on-crime approach has been a disaster for society. Unfortunately Canada has become a victim to the liberal ideology and often has been soft-on-crime, often giving light sentences or no prison time. Canada has a failing justice system that arrests the same offenders repeatedly and the judges immediately release them on bail. Some offenders have had dozens or even over a hundred arrests, convictions, and are still out on the street committing crime.

Yes, sometimes little things like that can become valuable keepsakes, especially when it is tied to someone as close as our mother. Good for you to keep that in a safe place as a valuable keepsake. I would not conclude it has anything to do with your religious beliefs. Agnosticism is a dead end mentally and spiritually. I am not particularly advocating for social conservatism because that is more of a political thing than a Biblical spiritual thing. However, it appears believing in the Bible and in Jesus Christ would make one a social conservative. But that is not the reason why one should believe the Bible and be born again. Biblical truth is not governed by politics. You should not assume agnosticism is a legitimate belief. It is actually contrary to the Bible or truth. It is a denial of the reality that an infinitely powerful Creator did in fact create the universe and did create mankind. The Bible is a complete revelation of God's dealing with man and an account of God sending his Son, Jesus Christ, to earth to die as an atonement for man's sin. It makes it clear why we need to understand that and what we have to do in response. The Bible teaches we are all born in rebellion against God or have corrupt evil hearts. We need to be redeemed and reconciled to God before we die. That is, today is the accepted time of salvation. Do not put it off to tomorrow or some future date. We do not know if this day will be our last day. "10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" Hebrews 10:10 KJV " 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. " Hebrews 11:6 KJV This verse condemns Agnosticism and is clear instruction we are to have faith. That is the only way we can please God. "23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. " Romans 3:23-26 KJV Hopefully these verses explain why one must have faith. "17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. " Romans 10:17 KJV So this is why is so essential to read and study the Bible. I Bible points us to Jesus Christ who is the Son of God, died for our sins, and was raised from the dead. See 1 Cor. 15:1-5 KJV

Anything you call "moral" judgments has to be based on the Bible, that is, Biblical Christianity. Presently your beliefs are in complete opposition to God and the Bible. Not a good place to be in. You reject what you call "social conservatism" by saying your belief has nothing to do with "religion". Religion is a kind of ambiguous or broad term and can mean anything. It could mean Islam, Sikhism, Buddhism, Mother Earth environmentalism, or any one of thousands of religions in the world. Liberal ideology is a kind of religion to many people because that is their god. If you are worshiping liberalism or humanism which is an ideology based on human reason, you are worshiping a false god. Sadly many people worship the false god of liberalism and their guru is presently Trudeau. You might say it is the Church of Trudeau or the Church of Liberalism. However, it means you are in opposition to the true God and Creator of the universe. You must study the Bible, specifically the New Testament and get right with God or suffer the consequences which are not good. You are presently fighting against the true God. Nobody wins that one. It is a losing proposition.

Probably because you are a liberal or left and most of their rulings lean in that direction.

You know your pet project is to oppose Biblical Christianity by dismissing it as "religious pet projects". You like to straddle the fence and pretend you are on both sides of the fence. You know what happens to anyone who tries to run while straddling both sides of a fence.