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You are just parroting the Palestinian anti-Israel line. It has no meaning.

That is false. I gave you the detailed history the land, but you refuse to even look at it. That land has been controlled by many different groups over the centuries. The point is owning a lot by an individual does not determine statehood. I explained the land became the State of Israel in 1948 and was recognized by the world as the State of Israel. Every sovereign country has the right to determine its laws and the administration of land ownership. That is the same in Canada and everywhere else. Yes, sorry. I deleted it and reposted to taxme.

The area which Israel is located in has been fought over for several thousand years. I gave you the link on Wikipedia that goes into detail of who controlled what over the past several thousand years. Did you even bother to read it? Or are you going to stick to your meaningless Palestinian claim that the land is "stolen". That doesn't help anything. It is completely false. There was no state called Palestine. The word Palestine is a generic word simple referring to the whole area. It was the term given to the general area by the Roman Empire 2,000 years ago. One article says the Romans named it Palestine as a kind of insult to the Jews who lived there for many centuries. The name Palestine is a derivative from Philistines, which were a traditional enemy of Israel. It has been occupied by Jews and Arabs going back thousands of years. But there is much more detail of who conquered and occupied it in the Wikipedia article. History of Palestine - Wikipedia In the 1940s, I believe the area was designated as belonging to Israel by the League of Nations, the forerunner to the United Nations. In 1948 Israel officially became the State of Israel. Many, if not most, Muslim countries do not acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

After considering the situation, I believe that Israel needs to respect international law for protection of civilians. There should be a safe corridor to get food, medical supplies, fuel, and humanitarian aid in and they should move hospital patients out of the area. Possibly move them to hospitals in Israel if Egypt won't help. If Egypt is refusing to help in this crisis, they must be excluded from having any say in the government of the Gaza. Israel may have to take over semi-permanent control in order to bring order and peace to the area. The people who are being asked to move out of the populated areas need to be put in refugee camps and sheltered and fed and the U.N. needs to step up to look after them until they can return to their homes. The U.N. does a lot of talking. What actual aid and actions are they doing to take care of the civilians? Thirdly, Gaza cannot remain governed as it has been. Hamas must be eliminated and Israel will have to take over governing it at least temporarily until a satisfactory solution is achieved. That will have to be an absolute necessity to avoid this type of war again. But I am not sure the people of Gaza will accept or allow Israel to govern them. They have been used as pawns in the Israel - Palestinian conflict. They need clean water, food, etc. in the meantime. The Bloc leader from Quebec correctly says there will not be lasting peace until Hamas is rooted out. He is correct of course. Terrorists cannot exist in the area and people still expect to have peace.

Israel has long resisted displaying the gross images for the right reasons. Israel did not see it as the right way to garner international support. It becomes a mud-slinging match and Israel believes it is disrespectful to human life. But if you want some confirmation that images exist, you can read this report: quote The images from the October 7 massacre in southern Israel are extraordinarily difficult to behold. Charred bodies, babies riddled with bullet holes, elderly women shot in the head. The depths of Hamas’s depravity are impossible to comprehend. And yet, after reporters who visited one of the kibbutzim targeted by the genocidal terrorist group last weekend reported that dozens of children had been brutally murdered, the response from some wasn’t horror and revulsion, but rather mockery and incredulity. This was particularly apparent on X (formerly known as Twitter), a cesspool inhabited by some of the absolute worst of humanity, where some users poked fun at the reporters and openly questioned the veracity of their reports. In response, Israel violated a longstanding practice. For years, successive Israeli governments have resisted displaying the mangled bodies, the severed limbs, or the pools of blood produced by Palestinian acts of terror. They did so out of a belief in the Jewish principle of kavod hamet – the dignity of the dead – as well as a refusal to stoop to the level of anti-Israel propagandists, who perversely parade the bodies of dead Palestinians in an effort to garner international support. unquote Graphic images of Israeli terror victims confirmed an awful truth - editorial (msn.com)

Obviously you have no idea what this land is all about. The history is complex and I am not sure if you are seriously interested in facts. quote This article is about the history of Palestine. For the subject with a Jewish focus, see History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel. For the modern states in the area, see History of Israel (1948–present) and History of the State of Palestine. See also: Time periods in the Palestine region, Timeline of the Palestine region, and Timeline of the name Palestine This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably. Its current readable prose size is 131 kilobytes. Please consider splitting content into sub-articles, condensing it, or adding subheadings. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page. (February 2023) Maps of Ottoman Palestine showing the Kaza subdivisions. Part of a series on the History of Palestine show Prehistory show Ancient history show Classical period show Islamic rule show Modern era Palestine portal v t e Strategically situated between three continents, the region of Palestine (also known as the Land of Israel and the Holy Land) has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient Israel and Judah, the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Hasmoneans, the Roman Empire, several Muslim caliphates, and the crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then the British Empire and since 1948 it has been divided into Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. unquote History of Palestine - Wikipedia This is just the beginning of this Wikipedia article on the history of the area. If you want to learn about it, it will require some effort and time. I am not interested in getting into slinging match with you with unintelligent comments. But if you want to discuss it rationally, that might be possible. There is a lot more to this on Wikipedia which I quoted the beginning of.

If Canada had the investors and money to do the mining and resource extraction, it would be doing it. Nothing to stop you or anyone from starting your own company. The reason we have multinational companies is because they are the ones with the money. It is not government's job to use taxpayer money to create companies if that's what you're thinking. It must be left to private enterprise because they know what is best. That's how a capitalist system works. We don't want a Socialist or Communist system.

It's simple really. Canada doesn't have the investors with the money to start multinational corporations, mining companies, oil companies or McDonalds. There are a few Canadian companies, but when it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to build a company, we don't have it. So without that investment by multinational companies, we would have next to nothing.

The U.N. security council will be debating a motion tomorrow to call for a cease fire and release of hostages. It is well-established that the U.N. constantly has passed motions against Israel and as an organization has no interest in protecting or assuring the continued existence of Israel. This motion will not provide security for Israel. As part of it they want to carve Israel up and create two states. This would further weaken Israel and create an official terrorist state that would threaten the very existence of Israel. How will a cease fire eliminate the threat posed by the existence of Hamas and other terrorist groups? They have just murdered at least 1,600 innocent civilians including beheading of babies. There is no way that Israel should be expected to live under the threat of terrorist groups like Hamas. How will a cease fire stop Hamas backed by Iran from launching thousands more sophiscated rockets and terrorist attacks of civilians in Israel? Of course the answer is it won't. A cease fire will simply protect Hamas and allow it to build up and plan for the next terrorist attack. " The United Nations Security Council could debate two separate resolutions on Monday put forward by Russia and Brazil, calling for a Gaza cease-fire and the release of the over 150 hostages seized by Hamas during an October 7th assault on Israel. “We are convinced that the Security Council must act to put an end to the bloodshed and restart peace negotiations, with the view to establishing a Palestinian state as it was supposed to do so long ago,” Russian Ambassador to the UN Vassily Nebenzia told reporters in New York." UNSC may call for Gaza war cease-fire, release of hostages (msn.com)

So what? Foreign owned is better than doing nothing. Canada is still in the driver's seat and charges royalties and makes all the laws and regulations. Foreign investment makes our natural resource industry possible in Canada and creates thousands or millions of good-paying jobs and spin-off jobs for Canadians and brings in lots of royalties and tax revenue that pay for our health care system, and everything else. Forest industries in B.C. for example are likely multinational corporations. Many towns exist in B.C. because of the existence of the forest industry. Logging, sawmills, and pulp mills because of multinational corporations that bring the money to do the job. I know for a fact many people own homes, have two vehicles in the family, cars, pickup trucks. There are motorhomes in yards, large RV trailers, and cabin cruiser boats worth 100 or 150 thousand dollars parked in front of houses. That is what multinationals brought Canadians. Of course their shareholder investors get a percentage on their investment but that is how Capitalism works. It creates wealth and millions of jobs. Where else in the world do people own all these homes, motor vehicles, RVs, and large cabin cruiser pleasure craft? You won't find them in Russia, Africa, Asia, South America, or Europe. Canada has lots of valuable natural resources and we are developing them. The only problem is the federal government that often gets in the way and takes years to approve a project. Plus all the taxes, regulations and red tape that is causing massive housing shortages and high costs of food.

"For Hamas, peace can only come to the Middle East when the Jews have been exterminated or expelled. The 1988 Hamas Covenant , which outlines its goals, intentions and direction, states that, “The Palestinian problem is a religious problem.” Followers of other religions who dispute Islam’s sovereignty in the region will be met with “nothing but carnage, displacement and terror.” The promised carnage and terror arrived early in the morning on Oct. 7. Babies beheaded , as has now been confirmed by Israeli government sources, with mothers and fathers also butchered at the Kfar Aza kibbutz. Around 260 party-goers slaughtered at a music festival with reports of multiple rapes. People gunned down as they waited at bus stops or going about their daily lives, the bodies left strewn in streets and houses. Up to 150 people kidnapped and now held hostage in Gaza, with Hamas threatening to execute them. The list of atrocities goes on from the rampage that left over 1,300 Israelis dead. By committing such heinous acts, making no attempt to hide their vile crimes, Hamas announced to the world that it was at war with Israel. Canada must therefore act immediately against Hamas and those who fund it, supply arms to it and allow its terrorist activities to endanger innocent lives and global stability. Canada should begin lobbying the International Criminal Court (ICC) to investigate Hamas for war crimes. Taking hostages, mutilating bodies, rape and attacking civilians are all war crimes under international law. Any investigation should encompass Ismail Haniyeh , the millionaire leader of Hamas who lives in luxury in Qatar and ordered the attacks. unquote " Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper ceased aid to UNRWA because of its alleged ties to Hamas, but the Liberals restored funding in 2016. This aid should be halted immediately." NP View: Canada must help bring Hamas down (msn.com) Why are Trudeau and the Liberals always so slow to act or unwilling to act at all on important issues? Europe and the other countries of the Five Eyes seem to be far ahead of Canada in doing something about threats. We have seen how slow Canada acted with regard to Huawei, slow in dealing with election interference. Opposition parties begged the government for months to start an enquiry but they never acted until the fiasco with the former governor general played out and he resigned. Notice babies beheaded has now been confirmed by Israeli government sources.

A news article describes some of the horrors found in the genocide by Hamas. " The images from the October 7 massacre in southern Israel are extraordinarily difficult to behold. Charred bodies, babies riddled with bullet holes, elderly women shot in the head. The depths of Hamas’s depravity are impossible to comprehend. And yet, after reporters who visited one of the kibbutzim targeted by the genocidal terrorist group last weekend reported that dozens of children had been brutally murdered, the response from some wasn’t horror and revulsion, but rather mockery and incredulity. This was particularly apparent on X (formerly known as Twitter), a cesspool inhabited by some of the absolute worst of humanity, where some users poked fun at the reporters and openly questioned the veracity of their reports." Graphic images of Israeli terror victims confirmed an awful truth - editorial (msn.com). The worst of humanity are self-identifying as complete degenerates.

The Israeli government is not "backpedaling". News outlets made some of the reports, and the Israel government spokesman simply said they cannot confirm the story. The damage was done by Hamas that murdered at least 1,200 innocent men, women, children, and babies. Whether or not the Israeli government is reporting the story accurately doesn't change the barbarism and savagery of Hamas. Maybe they don't have all the facts yet. They are correct to not make definitive statements if they have not corroborated it. You should be focused on the perpetrators, not trying to find fault with the Israeli government.

Your ignorance is astounding. Israel is only defending itself, which any nation has a right to do. They have constantly been attacked by terrorists and you can't see that. Very tragic.

To begin with, TV stations don't like to show such horrors. Secondly, the Israeli government spokeperson(s) said the government cannot confirm the story about heads of babies being cut off. This is what CNN says about it: quote “There have been cases of Hamas militants carrying out beheadings and other ISIS-style atrocities. However, we cannot confirm if the victims were men or women, soldiers or civilians, adults or children,” the official said. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that people had been beheaded by Hamas in an appearance beside Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday, but did not specify if they were children. His office later released what it described as “horrifying photos of babies murdered and burned by the Hamas monsters.” The three photos showed two babies whose bodies had been burned beyond recognition and a third infant’s bloodstained body. The post said that Netanyahu showed Blinken the photos, as well as others. The explosive allegations that children had been decapitated at the kibbutz of Kfar Aza emerged Tuesday in Israeli media. Israel Defense Forces later described the scene as a “massacre” in a statement to CNN. Women, children toddlers and the elderly were “brutally butchered in an ISIS way of action,” the IDF said. Tal Heinrich, a spokeswoman for Netanyahu, said on Wednesday that babies and toddlers had been found with their “heads decapitated” in Kfar Aza. In Israel, 'the place where you want your kids to grow up' has suddenly turned into the front line US President Joe Biden appeared to confirm that information. In a roundtable with Jewish community leaders on Wednesday, he said: “I have been doing this a long time, I never really thought that I would see… have confirmed pictures of terrorist beheading children.” A US administration official later clarified Biden’s remarks, telling CNN that neither Biden nor his aides had seen pictures or had received confirmed reports of children or infants having been beheaded by Hamas. The official clarified that Biden was referring to public comments from media outlets and Israeli officials. An IDF spokesman, Jonathan Conricus, later in the day said terrorists had likely carried out decapitations of babies in the Be’eri kibbutz. “We got very very disturbing reports that came from the ground that there were babies that had been beheaded… I think we can now say with relative confidence that unfortunately this is what happened in Be’eri,” he said. Israeli officials initially avoided discussing the specifics of how its citizens were killed. They instead likened Hamas’ brutality to that of ISIS, the Sunni terror group that beheaded captives and burned prisoners alive. Palestinians rescue a wounded man from the rubble of a destroyed building following an Israeli airstrike in Rafah, Gaza, on October 13. Hatem Ali/AP unquote Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack | CNN

You should have been doing some study of this for years. The reports about the brutal murders by Hamas have been widely reported on the news for days. You could try Google if you want to know more details. Why would you expect me to provide proof of what has been on the media for the past week? When we talk about anti-Semites or anti-Semitism with reference to the Holocaust, Israel, or the middle east conflict, we are referring to the Jews being the target. That is what anti-Semitism refers to, discrimination or persecution of the Jews. The Jewish religion and Islam are two different religions. Israel is mainly a Jewish state and the surrounding Arab countries are Islamic and oppose Israel. Innocent people do get killed in Gaza simply because the Hamas terrorists hide behind them and use them as shields. Does that mean Israel should just let Hamas kill Israelis and do nothing? Israel has no way to defend itself apart from going after the terrorists and is doing the best it can. They are only interested in going after Hamas or similar terrorists. I already explained the reason why Israel has a right to exist but you chose to ignore the whole subject. Like a little kid, you just keep repeating the view that the genocide against the Jews does not exist and it is all Israel's fault. You ignore the fact that the attacks against Israel are all part of a broad agenda to destroy Israel.

Back off. ? She is obviously a classic anti-Semite who doesn't believe Israel has a right to exist. Back off what? Why would you think Israel does not have the right to exist or defend itself? Oh, I forgot. You don't have any idea of history, or of Israel's right to exist and are still living in the world of anti-Semites in your mind. You have lots of company. Thousands exist in many countries in Europe and have for centuries. That's how Germany arrived at the Holocaust. Why would you want to identify with the hoards of Islamic supporters in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, London, Stockholm, and other places cheering for Hamas after they brutally slaughtered 1,500 men, women, and children in Israel. Sadly you don't understand what political Islam's purpose is in the world, particularly the Islamic Jihadists. Its primary purpose is to eliminate Israel and kill every Jew and force everyone to bow to it's religion. That is what the terrorist groups around Israel are attempting to do. That is what the Islamic theocracy in Iran and Afghanistan (Taliban) are doing. That is why Iran supports the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Why allow yourself to be conned and drawn into the group supporting hateful murderers?

In other words let Hamas continue to shoot rockets into Israel, continue to come into Israel and murder innocent families, children and everyone, continue to cut off Israeli babies heads, or anyone they can find in Israel, continue to build up their murderous Jihad terrorist forces in tunnels and throughout Gaza for the purpose killing Israelis. Do you really know what this is all about or know what you are talking about? You think Israel should have to live with murdering Jihadists next door and do nothing about it?

What do you think would be the best plan for Israel?

I never said anything about converting your religion. We are talking about support of Hamas. This is nothing to do with pushing a religion on you. That is a phony claim. Nice diversion. But you know what this thread is about. My comments were referring to your claimed neutrality. You somehow think Islamic jihad is a benign entity and that you can be neutral or not against it. Not sure where you get your logic. Your claim that jihad is benign term is phony. The dictionary I looked at on the internet says: Jihad - a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam: By claiming you are neutral, you are not standing up for human rights and western civilization because this is about Jihad against Israel. It is all about completely destroying Israel which is not an Islamic country. Hamas and those other terrorist groups are all about spreading Islam. Somehow you can't seem to see that or you deliberately refuse to take a side. That is much like trying to be neutral in WW2 while the Nazis are attacking the Allies.

So you pretend to be neutral and won't support the west, wont' support democratic countries. By being neutral you are actually supporting terrorism and the Islamic Jihad. Are you sure you are not an Islamist of some kind? Or do you actually believe they are just a benign religion on the same level as Judeo-Christianity in the west. Do you really think Israel and the Islamic countries which are full of Jihad supporters are in the same category? No wonder you want me to block you. So you can spout nonsense without any pushback from me.

Why do you not understand our energy industry and Canada's resource industry depends on exporting oil, gas and other natural resources to other countries. That is what provide Canada's prosperity. The fact that the resource industries are multi-national makes no difference because they still pay royalties to the provinces and pay high-paying wages to Canadian workers. That is the way it always has been. Canada does not have the resources to built resource companies by itself and depends highly on foreign investment in the form of multinational corporations. That is what makes Canada. This is where the NDP and other leftists have no clue about how our country works. We are a western free enterprise country built on Capitalism and foreign investment. That is what gives us our prosperity. Without that we would be a poverty-stricken banana republic. That is why the B.C. NDP's opposition to expanding the Trans Mountain pipeline was ridiculous and harmful to Canada. It is also another reason why B.C. has the highest gas prices at the pump in north America. We don't export just to China. We export to many countries, wherever we can sell our natural resources. Trudeau refusing to build pipelines and export to the other half of the world has greatly harmed Canada.

This is great news for the provinces. The ruling will be celebrated by Alberta and many others in Canada who believe Trudeau, Guilbeault and the Liberal-NDP coalition have been trampling on the rights of provinces and Canadians. They thought they were the absolute dictators of Canada but just learned there is a Constitution that they must follow. Trudeau and Liberals thought they had the SCC in their pocket, but there is a glimmer of hope here finally. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Friday against federal legislation dealing with the environmental effects of major developments. Five out of seven judges found most of the law unconstitutional, because it seeks to regulate activities within provincial jurisdiction. Reaction to Supreme Court's ruling on environmental review law - North Bay News (baytoday.ca) Supreme Court rules environmental impact legislation largely unconstitutional | CBC News

You are mixed up. I was talking about the Northern Gateway Pipeline project which Trudeau cancelled eight years ago. The hereditary radical red power chiefs were trying to stop the Coastal Gaslink pipeline project which was half built a couple years ago. Environmental radicals joined them to try to stop the project in northwest B.C. Those were two different projects. The Coastal Gaslink project received approval from the B.C. government a long time ago and is partly built now. That is a gas pipeline, not oil. It will take natural gas from northeast B.C. and Alberta to Kitimat where it will be shipped. the FN bands along the route all support the pipeline. Hereditary chiefs don't support it because they are out of touch with most FNs and band councils and don't represent them.

The hereditary chiefs do not represent the FNs in B.C. They are a small group of extreme red power radicals who claim special privilege on the basis of the old hereditary aboriginal system. You are talking about the coastal gaslink pipeline which is partly constructed now. That is not the same things as the Northern Gateway Oil pipeline project that was killed by Trudeau eight years ago. Most of the elected band councils along the route of the Coastal Gaslink pipeline approved natural gas pipeline project. Red power radicals in Ontario know nothing about B.C. and how FNs are governed and they don't care. They are simply opposed to Canada building natural resource projects. They are influence by Communists and agitators. They should have been thrown in jail for blocking the railways back east. They were not elected by anybody and are simply radical leftists trying to take advantage of a project dispute between radicals in B.C. and a government approved gas pipeline project that is well on the way to being completed.