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Nothing says "Religion of Peace" like ploughing a car through crowds of people.....or "just" a car and knife attack. Wow.

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http://glbn.ca/7Pa3r7 Canadian recruited by ISIS is arrested in Turkey. Another linked news article, CSIS says ISIS recruiting Canadians via social media. Hmmmmmm....

I agree with Rue. The Catholic school system is a hold-over from another time period. It should eventually be phased out. Why do you think Islam needs to be reflected in the school system? What parts of Islam do you feel should be a part of the school system? And Why should any religion be part of our educational system? You don't agree with secularism? By the way, Muslims in Canada already have freedom of religion. Actually, we all do. Do religious groups now who dont have a place in the school system not have "freedom of religion" in Canada? That has nothing to do with the school system. I'm unclear why you want Islam to be part of Canada's educational system. Or any other religion, quite frankly. What is the value in that? Because I see incorporating a bunch of religions into the school system as a giant step backwards, one that would cause more problems than bring any value to it. So I guess my questions to you are: Why do you think Islamic religion should be part of Canada's educational system? What value would that bring to education? Please explain why a religion needs a prominent place in the educational system of a country to exercise their right to "freedom of religion".

I think it's entirely relevant when someone kills because of a God.

I believe this is exactly what this woman is talking about. Both this woman and the Nawaz guy disagree vehemently with you on the numbers. Since there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, saying that "billions" of them are peaceful is just as damaging to moderates as saying they are ALL violent.

Also, from that article, she discusses the ones who shout down any criticism of Islam as being very problematic and impeding any progress made by Muslims (and non-Muslims) who speak out, but it is other Muslims that have caused her to fear for her life.

Really good article. http://quillette.com/2017/03/16/on-betrayal-by-the-left-talking-with-ex-muslim-sarah-haider/ Interesting comments on how politicians impede progress. I know we've talked about this here too. I totally agree with her that the constant accusations of racism and Islamophobia from anyone who questions or disagrees with Islam's teachings hurt moderate Muslims.

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Impact isn't a Muslim. Why don't YOU answer those questions? And you're still not answering his question to YOU: Will you answer directly: are those men who impose "Sharia law" on others breaking Sharia?

And "stories" don't change all the offensive parts about women in the Quran or Sharia law. Altai cannot or refuses to address the points that Dialamah brought up.

It appears that women are only allowed to show their lovely eyes after they're dead. This would make Earth....Hell? (At least for the women, I would guess.)

That's for sure.

Pew Research says that although Turkey is 90% Muslim, only 12% wanted to see Sharia law codified. This would put Altai in the minority, even in "her" own country.

My boyfriend and I were talking about this last night. He asked if I thought people's reaction to this was greater because it was a woman who was attacked. He feels the fact it was a woman, helped. I think it was so horrible, it didn't really matter if it was a man or a woman.

http://www.cccb.ca/site/eng/media-room/files/2630-apology-on-residential-schools-by-the-catholic-church Still a crappy thing that was done.

....or they could clean up after themselves? Why should someone else have to clean up after their foot-washing? Note: I feel this applies to everyone using washrooms, not just Muslims. For example: I see lots of people "cleaning up" and brushing teeth, etc, in airport washrooms. Perfectly fine. Just clean up after yourselves.

No one here is disputing that children need their mothers. The disagreement is that women are more than just "breeders."

I do that. Rarely do I reference anything that is obviously biased against Islam, in fact, I have often stopped reading things that I feel are not fair. And I deliberately focus on things that look at the issues fairly - I've posted the books and articles I've read. The difference between us is that I also reject Muslim propoganda. You don't seem to want accept that what you say Muslims want or think is in any way colored by your own beliefs and experiences, or in fact, could be wrong or outright lies. I resent the constant accusations of racist, islamophobe, hater, etc....If you think for one minute that I am the type of person who would walk up to a woman in hijab and rip it off her head or scream at her....you're very wrong. In fact, every time I have been screamed at, attacked, slapped by Muslims....I have reacted as calmly as I always do. Anyone who knows me even a little, would disagree vehemently with your assessment of me. Don't be so quick to judge Some of your other points I will consider thoughtfully and carefully. Thank you.

Then why keep stifling discussion on Islam by bringing up Christianity? It doesn't matter what anyone says, you pipe up with some obscure or ancient (or sometimes applicable ) example of Christians. Why can we not discuss Islam on its own? Every time its discussed, you come in, flip the gameboard and send the peices all over the room and then act like you're the saviour of the game. I feel like Christianity has been divesting itself of many problems for quite a while. Obviously there is still work to do, but strides have been made. And as I said before, I agree they were basically forced by public opinion to change. How will Islam be motivated to change if we keep saying, "Oh well, other people did the same in the past." or "Oh, look! some obscure Christian group is doing the same right now." It doesn't move the discussion forward. If we all officially acknowledge that we believe there were problems in Christianity and that there continue to be some problems in Christianity, will we then be allowed to discuss what's going on in Islam without having the gameboard tossed across the room?

I grant that the church was basically forced to deal with it. I wasn't going to get into a detailed history of how it was handled.

I "get" where you're trying to go with this. If a religion has a main teaching that says, "If you sacrifice your life to our God while engaging in jihad, you get to rape 72 virgins in the afterlife for doing it" and then that religion fails to clearly define what "jihad" is and just lets each person define it on their own according to their own interpretations, then yes....they are responsible for how their adherents behave. They don't get to just sit back and say, "Hey, not our fault." With pedophiles in the priesthood, did the entire Christian world just sit back and say, "Those priests don't represent Christianity." and do nothing about it? No, it was exposed, it was dealt with - by the religion that was responsible for it - and it was done publicly so all could see. If you can't see how Islam's teachings on jihad, the denigration of women and their attitudes towards non-Muslims have contributed to the free-for-all devastation they are wreaking upon the world right now, I can't help you. If you can't see that what's going on has been set in place by ideological dogma, which is now the vehicle used to express themselves, I can't help you. To stick by your position that Islamists have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam is just absurd. You want to stifle any conversation about the connection between Islamic ideology and Muslim intolerance and violence, in the name of political correctness. Obfuscating like you do does nothing except protect Muslims from having to grapple with this issue. When a person devotes themselves fully to the extreme versions of Islam and states his religious reasons for doing so and confesses his certainty about martyrdom on video before he blows himself up, you don't consider this as evidence that the religion's dogma is responsible. But if he said he did it because he's full of despair and revulsion for the West, you'd accept it at face value. The religion is exonerated. Any criticism of Islam is met with accusations of bigotry, Islamophobia and racism. You want to hold hands with extremists by defending medieval cultural aspects of the religion, "Because it's their culture and we have to protect it!!", then you are throwing feminist Muslims, gay Muslims and ex-Muslims under the bus. These are the very people who need us to speak up. By stifling this discussion, you think you're doing them a favour, but all you're really doing is making the idiotic right wing the loudest voice in this and No, I don't agree with their extreme views of "all Muslims are this way or that way." I've had nothing but bad experiences with Muslims and I don't even think that's the way they ALL are. But enough of them are to make the world pretty miserable right now. They are in desperate need of reform and they are fighting it tooth and nail.

I think this is where some of us differ - I believe it IS the responsibility of Islam as to how it's adherents behave, since they behave according to what they are taught. I don't believe there would be as many child brides, if it were not for the teachings of Islam.