Goddess

Yes, you Turkeys are soooooo much more civilized. Killing, raping, gunning down protesters.........

So you don't have anything specific, then. Just either Canada takes all refugees in or kill them all. That's the choices you are offering? Why is there never anything in between those 2 choices for you?

Quit trying to make out like Canada taking in and paying for all of the world's poor is the only solution.

Oh please. The drunk driver bears the largest portion of responsibility. Quit trying to make out like Canada can "control" and is responsible for the rest of the world.

I know some people are slaves to fashion. I have never been. When raising my kids in the 2000's, neither of them were really "into" any certain brand nor did they "have to" own certain items. I have my own sense of style so I love thrift shops and vintage stores. That said, I will occasionally buy an expensive piece, but they are generally timeless styles. I once spent over $200 on a dress suit and I'm still wearing the pieces 25 years later, but in different ways. A couple years ago, I found a jacket I loved - it was almost $300 and I pair it with a tank top from the dollar store. I like when people ask me where I got something I'm wearing and I can say I paid $3 for it at a thrift store or $15 at a vintage shop.

Is there another religion that women aren't allowed out of the house without being covered? They're being killed and beaten if they do? Their holy books tell husbands to beat their wives? Also, I have a female friend who's a Christian Gnostic bishop. You are certainly partial to the false equivalency fallacy.

Islam teaches that women have an inferior place in society and need to be punished and/or guided by men in everything they do, and that men have been given divine authority to do so. I'm not sure why it is surprising that quite a few of them treat women very poorly. I guess it would be surprising to those not female. I lived in a Muslim majority area, too and I had very similar experiences to Teena's.

I brought it up because YOU guys refuse to accept anecdotal evidence, yet insist we accept your's. That's YOUR standard - not mine. When many women are telling stories of being treated horribly by Muslim men, I consider that. It's YOU who does not.

Do these groups actually call for the death of gay people, like Islam does?

This book ^^^ has been distributed to Muslims and others in downtown squares in Toronto and York. https://clarionproject.org/trybeatingmelightly-wife-beating-toronto-pakistan-0-25/ Excerpts from the book: Hmmm. "Strictly against" beating women, then proceeds to instruct how to beat your wife in an acceptable way. In Islam, wives are not adults in a consensual relationship. They are children who can be spanked. And good, submissive Muslim wives are apparently masochists who enjoy being beaten. So basically, no matter what kind of wife you have - beat her! On Honor Killings: See? If Canadians would just let them kill adulterers and gays, they wouldn't have to break the law to adhere to Islamic values. The book also explains why polygamy is good (for men, NOT for women), why the hijab is mandatory, why women should never be allowed to go anywhere without a (male) babysitter and reiterates throughout the book that men are far superior to women and therefore, entitled to be in charge and obeyed.

I see you added this part later. If Islam's teachings and behaviours were even remotely gay-friendly, I might be inclined to believe you. But it is actually very far away from being a gay-friendly religion. So yes, I think it is a very big "secret" that Islam loves, accepts and tolerates the LGBQT+ community. Apparently a secret known only to you.

OK. So it's a personal anecdote, not actually based on any facts. Haha, "controversial". Bit of an understatement. Always odd to me when people want anti-gay sentiment coming from other communities dealt with harshly, but handle Islam's anti-gay stance with kid gloves.

None of those cites support your contention that "many" Muslims move to Canada to protect gay relatives. Your cites only talk about organizations which help gay Muslims - after they get here, which is great, but none of these cites support your previous claim. What "ongoing stigma within Islam" are you talking about?

Turkey is the leading country for bots right now. https://www.scmagazine.com/home/security-news/and-the-country-with-the-most-bot-infections-is-turkey/ https://www.cyberscoop.com/turkey-twitter-bots-pkk-kurdistan/ https://re-publica.com/en/session/turkish-delight-arrest-b-bots-c-censorship

I find your utter glee over violent death really disturbing for a "16 year old girl".

In all the cities where these bridge protests were, Edmonton's police shut it down the fastest and without any violence. I have no issue with that.

Of course all parents teach sex ed to their children, in varying degrees. And parents also can supplement the school board curriculum by discussing with their children and adding their personal beliefs, if they want. For instance: The curriculum speaks of same-sex families, simply noting that some children have 2 daddies or 2 mommies. A parent would be free to tell their children that this is bad, homosexuals should be killed, etc, - whatever they want. But at least the children would be getting some information that would be free of prejudices, hatred and religious nonsense. In the article I linked, a former Muslim woman who doesn't agree with Muslims yanking their kids out of sex ed said this about your statement above: This affects society - even if some do not wish to admit it. These are the girls who will grow up thinking there are no boundaries and that they have no control over their own sex lives - they will be ripe for child marriage, forced hijabs & burkas, rape and molestation, dissuaded away from higher education, told their place in society is to be a breeder, etc. These are the boys who will grow up believing women are meant to be subjugated, can be raped and abused whenever they desire and believing that Allah's law is above the laws of the land - will discriminate against homosexuals at best and at worst - will beat and kill them. We've come too far to go back to this kind of brutal culture, even in the name of diversity and tolerance. There are just somethings we should not be tolerating.

Have you read the curriculum? It's pretty basic and information is given out in accord with age of the children. It does speak about homosexuality as being normal, that is what these parents object to. It's more scary to me that parents would deny their children information on sex because of stone age religious beliefs.

I only put that about the small weird Christian groups so head off the red herring argument that it's not just Muslims protesting it. Technically that is true - but it really is Muslims in every country leading the fight against sex ed in school curriculums. We all see it. This is why the "fear" that Muslims are dragging everyone back to the dark ages and changing our society for the worse is not a phobia - it's a legit fear. There have been plenty of studies done about the benefits of having sex ed in school. The debate on this is over. But here we are debating it again. The same as we're once again debating women's place in society, abortion, segregation of genders, etc. Backwards, we're going backwards.

It's not just Muslims fighting sex ed in schools, there are some Christian groups also. Jewish and Sikh groups also join with Muslims in these protests. But Muslims are leading the charge in country after country to have sex ed banned in schools, for example in Britain, where 400-800 children are being pulled out of schools at a time to protest. Sadly it's these kids from religiously fundamentalist homes that need it the most. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/muslim-community-taking-the-lead-in-latest-round-of-ontario-sex-education-protests These parents will say things like: the topic is "confusing" for children, the material "inappropriate" and the children "too young" for it. but it's really about homophobia and wanting to keep their children ignorant and in the grip of fundamentalist religion. Of course, they can't say that so "confusing" and "inappropriate" are the words that give their prejudices respectability. And to scare other parents into believing that their children are being corrupted by explicit material. The same as any other subject in school, sex ed is about a broad range of health and personal wellbeing topics. No one is showing pornos to 5 year olds. These parents are denying their children knowledge and blocking access to vital information. They are instilling values in their children that sex is dirty and taboo and that people who engage in certain kinds of sex are "bad". When you deny this education, you set your children up for exploitation - which I guess is what these parents really want - to exploit their own children for religious purposes. Predators rely on children that are too ignorant or frightened to tell on them. Some kids of these bigoted parents will be/are LGBQ+ and they need access to information and a safe space to be themselves. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/backlash-against-sex-education-uk-will-ultimately-harm-children/ Here is an ex-Muslim woman who objected to Toronto's watering down of the sex ed curriculum: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/the-truth-about-gmos-accommodations-in-sex-ed-and-retiring-smokey-bear-1.3591155/former-muslim-objects-to-watered-down-sex-ed-at-toronto-school-1.3591261 Eiynah is a pseudonym. She has asked for anonymity because of the frequent threats she has received for her writing. And in your experience when these parents say they will have these conversations - do they? No - for the most part it's just a delaying tactic. This is my own community and I know exactly what it's like. It's not a gay-friendly environment. A lot of kids suffer because of that. A lot of kids are shamed because of that. Their existence is denied. When I wrote a children's book, My Chacha is Gay, a lot of people were happy at first to have it addressed from a Muslim point of view. But the outrage from parents caused schools to back down and away from the project. They said it was offensive to the culture and that gay people just don't exist. So the argument made to you was the homosexuality doesn't exist in Islam? Yes exactly. These protesters insist they aren't homophobic. What do you make of that? It's not true. They don't want to teach their children about equality for everyone and then insist they are not homophobic - it's a blatant lie. It's just phrased better to make it more palatable. Although other small religious groups also protest, it really is Muslims leading the charge world-wide to keep sex ed out of schools: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/09/07/sex-ed-guide-aims-to-help-muslim-parents-deal-with-controversial-new-curriculum.html

I could too, except that most of Canada's Muslim immigrants are not fleeing anti-gay sentiments, they are fleeing war and poverty. They're not coming here because they find our values preferable. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/28/us/lgbt-muslims-pride-progress/index.html

I googled this claim and have not found one thing that says "many" Muslims immigrate to Canada to protect gay relatives. Or even "any". I request a cite for this claim.

You realize that Muslim segregation of females does not stop at swimming, correct?