Goddess

Turns out you are the liar.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was supposed to be watching this board at all times and be ready to respond immediately to your demands.

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/338423-CII-recommends-light-beating-for-wife-if-she-def

We actually weren't talking about that. But I get it - this is how apologists for Islam operate - change the subject to Christians. The actual verse is right there for Muslims - how to beat your wife, when to beat your wife, permission to beat your wife.

And if a man wanted to do this to his wife - where would he go? Which church practices this? None of this is espousing beating your wife. And in case you didn't notice - Islam is about the only religion that cutting body parts off as punishments is still a thing. Come join us in the 21st century - it's not perfect but the rest of us are ditching religious barbarity, while Islam is trying to revive it. Here are actual verses in your book that tell how, when and why you should beat your wife: Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." Contemporary translations sometimes water down the word 'beat', but it is the same one used in verse 8:12 and clearly means 'to strike'. Quran (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife (Tafsir). Sahih Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged him to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.Sahih Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" Muhammad's own wife complained Muslim women were abused worse than other women.Sahih Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."Sahih Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's fathers-in-law (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them." (This is graded sahih - authentic. It is also reported in Sunan Ibn Majah 9:1985, also graded sahih) At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives. As the hadith indicates, he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings in a Muslim marriage were deemed necessary at times to keep the woman in her place.Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife." The authenticity of this chain of narration is characterized as daif (weak), however, a similar verse from Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1986 is said to be hasan (sufficient).Abu Dawud (2126) - "A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: 'I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).' The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: 'She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'" A Muslim man thinks he is getting a virgin for a wife, then finds out that she is pregnant. Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she delivers the child. (Despite multiple chains of narration, this hadith is graded as daif).Sahih Bukhari (82:828) - Though not the beating of a wife, Aisha narrates how her father, the first "rightly guided caliph" hit her violently as a form of rebuke when she was in bed: "Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, 'You have detained the people because of your necklace'. But I remained motionless as if I was dead... although that hit was very painful"Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 969 - Requires that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related.Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) - [Muhammad said] "Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it"

It is true. https://tnc.news/2019/12/12/crown-seeks-life-in-prison-for-edmonton-isis-connected-van-attacker/?fbclid=IwAR11gi-nBoB9yDtExqGRpnTZcfb_qz6E1X6Noa6LHxOUCVqWmyuQhBxLkHU This guy came into Canada illegally after being ordered deported in the US and this raised "no red flags" nor was he put on any watch lists. He was espousing ISIS views 2 years before he did the attack in Edmonton and still the RCMP did nothing about him. https://www.macleans.ca/news/deep-dive-into-edmonton-terror-suspects-background-a-little-too-late/

https://tnc.news/2019/12/12/crown-seeks-life-in-prison-for-edmonton-isis-connected-van-attacker/?fbclid=IwAR11gi-nBoB9yDtExqGRpnTZcfb_qz6E1X6Noa6LHxOUCVqWmyuQhBxLkHU I've been following this one, since I was downtown and caught up in the police dragnet when this happened. It was pretty scary and I wasn't even on that street, just nearby when everyone started screaming and running. I dont' understand how the guy did this, had an ISIS flag in his car while doing it and coworkers reported his genocidal and pro-ISIS ravings - yet it is not included in the list of "terrorist acts" and because the authorities refuse to call it what it is - Islamic terrorism - some people will not admit that this was Islam.

It's unfortunate that you think peaceful, progressive and reasonable Muslims are the ones giving a bad impression of Islam. Yes, both women AND men are to dress modestly. Yet only the instruction to women has given rise to many (and often quite brutal) interpretations.

Yet you think you're qualified to determine if others are qualified. Ummmm, the Quran. You know it tells Muslim men to beat their wives if they fear disloyalty from her. You can justify and spin it any way you want, but there is no comparable verse in either Jewish or Christian literature that tells men to beat their wives - either beat, scourge, "lightly beat", with a stick, with a toothbrush, with a hockey stick, whatever. The instruction in the Quran is not just TO beat your wives, it also tells HOW to beat them and WHEN. I believe this is one reason why Islam is pushing hijabs and burkas across the world - they cover a multitude of bruises.

This is a lie.

Why is she incorrect? Because her interpretation disagrees with your own? Maybe she has learned from a peaceful imam and you are listening to a cruel one? You make these broad statements - "She is incorrect." but you don't say why she is incorrect. Her view seems perfectly normal, logical, reasonable and sane. Your's does not.

And your qualifications for correct interpreting of koranic verses are..........??

Did you watch the YouTube I posted where Salima Ali explains the verses that speak about hijab? One of the issues with Islam is that NOTHING is bad. You can beat your wife or not - whatever you choose. Either way - you're a good Muslim. Maybe Islam should start voting on what's good and what's bad.

I hear a lot of people in Alberta saying they think Kenney will run, but none of them are happy about it. I'd love to see Rona Ambrose run.

I think it's important to note that not ALL Muslims disagree with Bill 21. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-why-some-canadian-muslims-celebrated-the-quebec-hijab-ban#comments https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-quebec-leads-the-rest-of-canada-with-religious-symbols-ban This is from the articles: You're not defending a sacred religious right - you are defending an Islamist symbol and we all know what their aims are. You call that witty? That's dumb. Cancer patients are not promoting an Islamist agenda by wearing something on their bald heads when they lose their hair. Same with those who think a winter touque = hijab. Idiots.

Is this before? or after? she gets abducted by aliens?

I like her.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6284594/quebec-appeal-court-bill-21-decision/

The Caliphate? I'm just kidding.

Playing "devil's advocate" with deathly religious extremism makes a person look and sound like they support it. Or the very least - understand and tolerate it.

It's really weird that you think that the ONLY problem with hijabs and burkas are the people who don't like them - not the religion that requires it and punishes with death and beatings those who disobey, not the men who use it to control women, not the long and bloody history of it, not how it denigrates women, not how it damages women and girls psychologically, not how it gives men a misogynistic view of women. Weird and sad, I guess.

I'm an apostate and no one has tried to kill me. On the other hand, I worked with a few Muslims who wanted out of Islam and were afraid for their lives, seen the news articles about Muslims killing for apostasy in country after country, seen the rioting and killing over a cartoon for blasphemy, know about the death fatwas on journalists and writers, so...... Yeah. Pretty sure. Are you denying this?

Do you have anything to say about the topic? Or are you just here to promote Islam? I ask because that is one of the most "I haven't got a clue what's going on in Iran" comments I've ever heard.

LOLLOLOLOLO Western nations are the WORST, right?? Those Muslim countries, they really know how to live. We could learn so much from them.

Maybe stop making ridiculous comments about domestic abusers being secret feminists. **shrug**