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Are you purposely being obtuse? We're clearly talking about the current generation of EVs that have a much wider public appeal.

I will admit cold presents a myriad of problems for EV adoptors. My Windshield washer fluid line freezes. My own fault for not pre-emptively using more winter focused fluid ahead of the time I guess. Good thing it doesn't get this cold very often in the Greater Toronto area. One thing I'm not having an issue with is charging. It seems Sodium Ion Batteries solve a lot of the issues with Cold. Much cheaper to produce too. Again, we're well into the early adopter phase. The only people that have EVs right now are people that want one. In over a decade, if the EV situation is the same as it is now, skeptics may have a point. Right now it's all pearl clutching.

The battery is under warranty though. The complication here is that it was the casing around the battery that failed or something. So is it a Hyundai issue or an Insurance issue as the incident happened as a result of a collision and not a battery failure.

So you're objecting to the transparency? In Canada, the deaths were less the concern than the taxing of Hospitals so that COVID patients would overwhelm Healthcare's ability to treat other ailments. In hindsight we could see this as an overreaction. But at the time, would people have felt comfortable not having measures in place to reduce COVID infections, while the virus was clearly killing people?

I've tried to demonstrate over and over again, without many comprehending it, even if Natural Gas was used to continue to generate electricity and fill the gap in demand as we move towards electrification and more renewable electricity, we're still way better off in terms of emissions as EVs and Heat Pumps are WAY!!!! more efficient than ICE vehicles and Gas Furnaces. Not to mention the emissions it takes to physically refine and transport gasoline and natural gas to where it needs to be instead of a centralized location to generate electricity.

You're the one that said "Carbon is Good." ICE vehicles don't just beltch out Carbon.

Which is why the Ford F-150 Lighting is a bit of a fools errand. The battery is too large to be practical. A car like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 would meeting 90% of a drivers needs and can charge pretty quick.

Lock yourself in your garage with the car running and see how good all that Carbon is for you. It's funny how you call other people stupid all while saying something so ridiculously stupid yourself.

I'm sure all these people who won't get EVs because so far there isn't an EV Pick-up Trucks that go 1,000 kms will be lining up to buy that. ?

WTF is a Lupo? Here's an article/blog showing cars people actually buy. The only cars achieving anything appreciably under 6l/100km are hybrids. https://www.castlegartoyota.com/blog/2023/01/31/the-top-9-most-fuel-efficient-cars-on-the-market#:~:text=Starting off strong%2C the Toyota,CE%2C SE and LE trims.

Sure! A lot of the same sentiments in your BBC article. That in Switzerland they're taught to respect the weapon and not that's a God given right that they should have access to weapons. Posted just now Russia and switzerland are devleoped nations. So is mexico for that matter. And that's just some of them. my anti virus freaks out going to that site But it doesn't matter. The fact is they have lots of guns and few shootings. You can try to twist that but it's a simple truth. Russia has few guns but lots of murders So because some people are really good at re-loading, that means that guns with high-capacity magazines are no more dangerous to real life humans than a WW2 era gun? I guess Military's around the world should be able to save a lot of money with this information.

I think I specified in my comments I was talking about developed nations. Here's a counter to your Switzerland argument; https://impakter.com/why-gun-ownership-switzerland-not-same-us/ Which is what we're talking about. The type of gun, not the fact people own guns. You could, and I could call you a bigoted homophobe. I don't think you've avoid pretty caustic ad hominem comments in this thread. You're clearly passionate about this. I try to avoid such things because it lowers the decorum of the debate. Who's us guys?

Energy storage will be a game changer for renewable energy in the coming years.

A lot going on in this post. I really don't feel like multi-posting. I will concede that "Culturally" the US is a lot angrier a country. I do think other countries have a better relationship with guns. They're not seen as a God-given right because of some amendment devised when they were fighting a domestic war. Their politics are way more polarized. Though I see some similar elements coming with the way people dislike JT. Back when I was "young" I really disliked Jean Chretien and Dalton McGuinty. It never once occurred to me to put an Eff Dalton bumper sticker on me car. Earlier in the thread we discussed cars. An angry disaffected person could use a car to kill scores of people. But driving cars are also highly regulated. Imagine if gun owners had to buy insurance in case their weapons was actually used to kill someone . . . like designed. It seems a faction of Americans want as few regulations on guns as possible. Regarding angry. I actually had the same thing happen to me where someone passed me on the shoulder when I was in the Carpool lane. He chipped my windshield because rocks were flying from the shoulder. It was an Old man with his wife in the passenger seat. We see from the incident in Sault Ste Marie, that violence is possible by anyone, including a family man.

Reading Comprehension. . . I said "ISN'T" and issue. You can't lump Mass shootings like this with traditional violent crime because their causes are much different. But they're causes not unique to US, the rampant use of guns are. You say stuff like this in polite company? I'm stating that much of the developed world has it right in regards to gun control and much of the US has it wrong. You're free to disagree. Especially when you share a massive border with a country that has more guns in it than people. Would a wall work?

Lots of stale talking points here. It's funny how in one breath ya'll will say that Batteries contain too many rare earth metals and in a second breath you claim that all those valuable metals will just sit in a landfill and not be recycled. I just did a road trip from the Toronto area to Montreal and need to charge 6 times. I didn't have to wait once. But most EV owners that own a single family home will charge at home for a vast majority of their EV usage.

You don't think those elements of loneliness aren't a reality for people in other countries? Being able to commit mass murder because your lonely seems way more common in the US. Why? Guns! I'm not the one that coined the word Incel. A lot of this violence comes from people who label themselves Incel. The guy who took a rent-a-truck down a Toronto street years ago was an Incel.

As I said, the lack of EV infrastructure is less of a problem because most EV owners have an avenue to recharge at home. Hydrogen definitely has a role to play in the movement away from Fossil Fuels. I think it will be required to decarbonize International Shipping and Commercial Air Travel. We need to bolster Green Electricity first though, because Hydrogen derived from Fossil fuels is somewhat pointless.

Poor Incels. ? Is it really that hard for you guys to get laid?

You're the one saying "It's not the Guns!". So what is it then. Mental Health, Wealth Inequality, Poverty? What sets these types of shootings a part is they often happen in places where poverty or drug use isn't a huge issuu. Well I feel much more comfortable in the level of regulation we have in Canada then what is seen in the US. Of course we're not in America. They have this devotion to guns that most in the rest of the developed world find weird. You could argue there's an element of mental health issues in all crime. But we rarely see such mass casualty type crime like this in places with reasonable gun laws. The issue at hand is a mass shooting. Some dude kills a bunch of random strangers in a public place, usually with some sort of semi-automatic rifle and gads of ammunition. Much of the hand gun crime in Canada happens with smuggled guns from the US. Are you in Canada or the US? Because I was talking about Canada. Is there anywhere in Canada where you can drive around with a loaded sawed-off shotgun?

You don't think other factors that cause violence exist in other countries too? The Guns seems like the thing that sets the US a part. But I'll entertain the idea that wealth inequality certainly contributes to violence. But in incidents like this, it's often in places that don't really have high crime where a lonely, almost always a man, decides to take a bunch of people out with a military style weapon. You started this off with a hissy fit - GUN OWNERS! !!! BAD!!!! LONE WOLF!!!!! MURICA!!!!! Is that a quote or just inane hyperbole? So do you reckon that it's the weapon of choice for these murders? The US did have a ban on Assault Weapons. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf Loaded and available to shoot? Cite the law that allows for that. Maybe ask yourself why you think it's cool to own a weapon like that.

Yes and gun ownership is highlight regulated. Guns that only really serve a purpose to kill people are largely banned or extraordinarily highly regulated. The type of shootings we largely have in Canada are largely gang related with guns smuggled from the US. You can pinpoint the reason for these crimes to poverty and drugs.

Hogwash, America's murder rate is much higher compared to Canada, Much of Europe and Asia. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country You're being obstinate. I'm attempting to have an honest debate and you're just throwing a hissy fit.

That's why, because most Canadians don't have a gun, and when they do they require some mandated accountability about how to handle it/store it. And also why this particular shooting is big news. Because it's relatively rare. Ditto with any mass shooting in Canada.

Then why do all the countries that regulate gun control have almost no mass shootings? So America needs Universal Healthcare? and a higher overall standard of living? What's unique about many of these incidents is that they often happen in places that largely don't see a lot of crime. See the Parkland shooting as an example. What makes the country so different as to not see an epidemic of gun crime?