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This is the kind of attitude the government wants. Compliant non-questioning people that lack critical thinking.

Except I don't drink and drive. Let's just say, I transport cadavers for a living. It's an essential service. And for me, business is booming lately.

Time for people to use facts and be free thinkers, my point again is when has any government ever had the best interest of the people in mind? They say it was not created in a lab but was being studied in the lab from where it was some how released and we will never know the truth because paperwork is already destroyed . The Chinese government is 100% to blame and by this I mean the Ruling monsters that could care less about their people . Anyone who thinks otherwise has their hats on too tight.

People of Canada are in fact partially responsible for where we are now and the reason is very simple and clear APATHY , We as Canadians believe that the moment we exit the voting station on election day our job is done when in fact that is just the start. We should then watch everything that our leaders do and when we do not agree we should be writing letters ( they are free , no postage needed ) we should be Calling the toll free line to the PMO ,Faxing letters and E-mailing. But that is not what happens. People will go on social media and complain but that is where it usually ends.

Your are a racist troll. You troll. You engage in insults to get attention. You are a troll and you use different names on this forum and you fool no one. You are a racist for your repeated attempts to incite people to engage you in racist taunts. The more you respond to me the more you prove and expose your trolling. You haven't a clue or debate the issues of the thread. Run along. The more you respond the more I prove the point I am sure others now see.

If you are fine with using a tracking app then go for it. Make it voluntary and there will be much more compliance, supporting the actual tracking goal. Force people ("mandatory") and there will be far more pushback.

Take a look at the Tdot Godzilla threads. Take a look at the starter headlines and responses. Same scripts. I urge everyone to ignore them and watch how fast they will repeat with a new name. Also take note of the new posters who come on their threads then vanish.

https://action.donaldjtrump.com/msm-media-accountability-survey/?utm_medium=ad&utm_source=dp_googlesd&utm_campaign=20190520_na_mediaaccountability_djt_tmagacpros_ocpmylea_bh_audience0109_multi_copy00621_us_b_18-99_gdnw_all_na_lp0003_acq_leads_static_na_na_na&utm_content=mda&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi7qwwe2q6QIV3DStBh0O6gNQEAEYASAAEgINZ_D_BwE this is a very efficient way for him to wake voters up, about the satanic MSM no doubt!

Argus, you want to open and without any conscience of the fact, a big Pandora Box that will be impossible to shut after. You are a traitor to the general population and to your own principles. You should feel ashamed of yourself, and you have a despicable opinion on this matter.

Aw geez, now I have to go and look for someone else to disagree with. LOL.

1. The difference is: in many cases, it is a distress sale BECAUSE Chinese players had put the industry in that jam in the first place. Sometimes, that means buying up compeitiors, dropping the price and waiting to snag control - and in others it is simply because circumstances made it a good opportunity to do so. Had a friend in RSA who built coffins from Canadian hardwoods. He suffered exactly the former circumstance - as did many other industries in sub-Saharan Africa. 2. Of course, you or I will take whatever is available in crisis. No choice. 3. Again, I speak from personal experience, you seem to be arguing from an arms length perspective based on ideology, not reality. 4. Lack of standards for imports from day 1, and no enforcement of what little consumer protection exists. You are quite right that we are not strong enough (mostly due to lack of anatomical equipment) to stand up to China, so we need to count on BC and his buddies to do it for us. BTW: how do you think all of this fentanyl gets here? 5. We actually HAVE the money, but we let Bay Street speculate with it instead of putting into productive use. Doesn't really matter, because we don't seem to be prepared to actually DO any work with it anyhow. Our entrepreneurial culture is miniscule and far too risk averse.

Maybe that's why 27 babies out of every thousand die in Bangladesh and only 5 out of every thousand in the US. In Bangladesh, 8% of the total deaths among women of reproductive age are from dying in childbirth. Societies seem to do better when women are treated as the other half of the human race instead of just as breeders.

"Companies" are simply units of the Chinese government. "People" in China do not invest overseas. They are not allowed. Any investment is controlled by, owned by and directed by its government. The "wealth" you talk of in individual hands in China only exists if the government allows it and even then its limited to within China as to lifestyle compared to other Chinese. The only wealthy people in China are those in the elite upper echelon of its Communist Party who can get the money out into illegal offshore accounts and from what I gather that is impossible and those getting the money out do so because they have enough clout upstairs to be able to get away with it not because its an ordinary course of affairs. The one exception to what you say is Hong Kong investors given some leeway. China's idea of investment is not to work with but buy out. True investors share profit. The Chinese model of investment does not share profit, it buys out something to create a monopoly on the production of the product to prevent free competition. The Chinese model of "investment" is cancerous and parasitical. It was best typified in Star Trek as the Borg. Chinese investment does not help build a country. Look at Angola Sudan, Mozambique, Iran...all giving 95% of their oil to China. What do those countries have to show for it? As I said Tdot you have exposed yourself and what you reveal speaks for itself. I notice Godzilla suddenly vanished. Hudson, Boris, whatever.

I am the first to blast ProudConservative and I will therefore defend him for the same reasons. He is unlike you not a troll, is polite and respectful when he is blasted and genuinely believes in what he writes. You on the other hand are a troll whose sole purpose on this board is to insult and engage in agitation. Your act is done,

Really Rex Murphy an oil shill? Give me a break Mikey. He hates everyone equally. Please do not tell me you can not recall him supporting special treatment for any oil company he never has. The fact that he challenged Trudeau's lack of leadership on the oil pipeline issue does not make him an oil shill and he has never supported any policy that endangers the environment. As a Newfoundlander he made several mentions of how Hibernia was environmentally with great risk. Geez M. Harder, Rex is my main man now that Gwynne Dyer (another Newfoundlander) is no longer on the air. Other then that it is Chantal (Butch) Hebert. Its bad enough you commies took Don Cherry off the air. Have you no decency man...he is a Canadian icon. He is the last literate journalist in the land next to Chantal and come to think of it they look more and more the same as thye age.

I have a similar political background to yourself, but with a bit of international involvement thrown in. I can agree on the intent of most candidates and elected officials, but I can also tell you that once they get welcomed into the back rooms, the harsh reality of WHO actually runs things comes forward. Since many were something else before being Minster of something or another, few actually know diddly squat about much of anything, and their bureaucrats know that and snow them endlessly. "Yes Minister" is a lot closer to the truth than we would like to believe. I watched on of my closest friends (who's campaigns I managed) get his first cabinet appointment, sit down the the senior staff who told him "We will now show you how the department runs" - to which he replied: it has been a long campaign and I think I will send a month or so with my friends and families to recover before we have this meeting". After we left, they bureaucrats were ecstatic, proclaiming how easy it was going to be to keep the new Minister where they want him. A month later, same meeting. When they gave the same line, he said: " No, I am going to tell YOU how this department is going to run. While you have been busy scheming and plotting your next move, I have been to every office of this department in the province, and NOW we will go forward with the facts". That was a very rare Minister indeed, and when the back room guys figured out he couldn't be bought or coerced, his influence on the overall direction of that government wained - but his department ran like a well oiled machine and made national headlines for its innovative approach to problems. I have also enjoyed time with Sir Roger Douglas - one of the few living persons who managed to take an entire national economy back from the brink of collapse by using his own discipline (economist - but a recognized rogue one). From him, I learned that you can't reason a political system into reform in good times, but when things go sideways (as they are now) THAT is the time you can have everyone's ear IF you know WTF you are doing. He did (and I believe to this day does moreso than any other economist). Sadly, Ottawa has no such people in its confines today.

As they have in the rest of the world. What many of those companies have come to understand is that they are predatory investors - not competitors happy to work within the marketplace but driven and heavily capitalized to conquer and dominate - by ANY means needed. Now, not ever Chinese incursion is successful. We have watched AVIC and now KOMAC (Chinese state owned aviation industry giants) take over virtually ALL aircraft diesel engine development and production in North America - and most of the world. There are other players who now own the largest genav engine OEM replacement parts business and others who have had a run a Beechcraft, took over Mooney, own Diamond, own Cirrus (largest manufacturer in the world of certificated general aviation piston singles) https://china-aerospace.blog/2018/10/17/overview-of-chinese-investments-in-the-western-aviation-industry/. Of those, Mooney recently suspended production because the smaller Chinese player just didn't understand the genav market well enough. This is one of the LEAST affected economic segments of Chinese interest. Think of Huawei dong all of our G5 network and consider that there is not a hope in HELL that it will not be used to mine every bit of data on that network for Chinese interests - commercial, economic, political, diplomatic and military. Don;t missunderstand me: to survive (never mind prosper) in the future, we NEED to be engaged with China in both economic and diplomatic relations, but to simply bend over and pass them a jar of vaseline is irresponsible and idiotic. Canada will be the last to stand up to them as our national character is marked by a distinct lack of balls (take a quick look at what passes for political leadership these days and you can see what I mean).

The country China has many wealthy people and companies that will invest in Canada.

Your summary of how trade works sounds like a zero sum game. It's not as simple as saying that we 'gave' them the work. If there's an easier way to get something of course we will do it. It also happens that our economy benefits from goods being cheaper, as well as having a trade partner with money to buy our exports and invest in Canada. Canadian and American companies are taking advantage of the situation also.

Hahahaha MSM knows that it has lost a lot of credibility since Trump came into office. Keep the boat rocking!

Many western corporations were more than happy to move production to China with the accommodations that were made for the corps. Slave labour, lax environmental laws allowed those corps to make massive amounts of money. Many of those are now looking for government handouts because China's production really came to a halt. Yep time to rethink this whole globalization idea.

Then they do not need to ask me to install an app.

It is also true that when China lied, thousands died.

Cell tower metadata is already being used for social distancing scorecards (e.g. Unacast), and it is not intrusive or mandatory, just a by-product of the technology and geo-location. Playing the opposite of Pokemon Go with Covid-19 infected positives wouldn't have much appeal without prizes or cash incentives.

Just about the only sensible thing I've read here. Why force it on people? That's not necessary, and not what conservative right-wing types believe in. Besides the damn phone can already track you if they need to, for legal purposes but then they might need a court order. So until you get a court order, ain't no government chivatto-approved phone app going on my phone.

Changed my mind. I used to not want this app. Now i am the app. Feed me your data everyone.

I live in Calgary and up to the first of may ( I can not speak for the last two weeks ) Flights were arriving from all points and people were not being tested at all they were just given a piece of paper with the symptoms listed and told to seek a doctors treatment if they get any of them? what the hell is that really shutting down the country? Here is the bigger question . When has this idiot Prime Minister ever not failed the people?

Oh shit and yah QW ...geez no one I hope on either side of the debate questions anyone for surviving in cases like you said. I myself wrestle with that issue. Soldiers go to their deaths unable to sleep questioning what they did. Survivors of genocide do that all the time. Its not something you want to witness anyone wrestle with . It tears people up inside. It causes suicides. I certainly do not presume to understand their pain and price they paid and would never question that. I also do not question the motives of anyone in regards to the Covid issue. Shit no. Just healthy debate. We all are concerned what we do over Covid. This is the place to debate what we do. Hey some Americans take that motto damn seriously others make a mockery of it...for those who suffered having their freedom taken away or fought for it , I have to err on the side of caution for in any debate. Its my way of showing them respect...not taking for granted what they did and endured. I have seen some stuff myself and personally with people in my age group over wars in the Middle East and Vietnam. I can only stay at a respectful distance and remain silent when a survivor or soldier talks. Not my place to do anything else. Likewise with some guys I knew who came back from Serbia and Afghanistan. Not my place but I take what they were trying to do with utmost respect and will never take for granted democracy. Can't. Won't. Totalitarianism even when it starts off well intended can so quickly turn. How many people need die to understand that? I listen to soldiers, refugees, people that lived in horrible regimes and got out of the Soviet controlled states. They are sobering teachers. I want a world where you have freedom and are also safe. Hopefully we balance the two for your sake. I am getting up there. I will be long gone when you inherit what is left. I just hope you have the freedom many came here to enjoy and others never were able to and so many died for.

Yes of course I care. I resisted text messaging for years, then resisted getting data on my phone for years. But if you want to be a part of our society eventually you have to get this crap because everyone else uses it. Unless you want to live off the grid in the woods. I'm as careful as I can be. I only download apps on my phone I need. When I don't need it anymore, it's deleted. I use a VPN. But it's a losing battle. But I'm still not putting a tracking app on my phone, it's just never going to happen.

..and you see no legal, privacy, civil liberties, freedom issues with your suggestion?

Yes and no...Europe did "listen to him" concerning increased NATO spending, ISIS engagement, import tariffs, and unfettered immigration (indirectly). Trump remains hated for other policies from climate change to travel bans and personal demeanor. Trump has also forced the EU to take a good look at itself and home grown fractures that were hidden by previous assumptions about American military and economic cover. The rise of right wing elements in Europe readily embraces Trump, as did many of the UK's Brexiteers. President Trump is only a symptom and backlash against the perceived and real failings of the past due to globalism and disenfranchised voters in the U.S. Canada has its own love-hate relationship not only with Trump, but with any American administration that continues to have such an impact on trade and foreign policy. China's influence also grew during the Obama presidency, because there was little that American influence would or could counter. China purposely seeks to dominate areas that have less American interests, expanding influence into Asia, Africa, Central and South America. Other nations are going to have to learn to deal with a more powerful China with less whining about how much the U.S. is not providing "leadership" they seemingly can't cope without.

I agree the regulations are incredibly stupid. Large provincial parks are closed, but crowded Stanley Park in Vancouver is open, fast food is open, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that China did this on purpose. It's really weird that no one in our gov't or MSM questioned the WHO at all, at any point, when their recommendations were so contrary to conventional wisdom and basic logic and common sense. Even against proven, decades-old science. Now the MSM and our gov't have rushed to the side of the WHO and are dead against Trump. Hello? The WHO was all wrong and their advice went worldwide. Trump was at least partly right.

Your title allows these leftists to use it to dismiss everything else you say. But never mind those kind of losers, the questions you have raised are still quite valid. If not conspiracy then surely complete stupidity. I'll go with the latter for now. What you see is the efforts of incompetent micro-managers who are doing things out of their perception of our best interests. They don't really know anything about viral transmission they make up rules as they go along in accordance with misguided notions of common sense. Or to put it simply, the road to hell is paved with "good intentions". Cheers.

Despite having nearly twice as many confirmed cases of the virus than any other province and nearly 60 per cent of the country’s total deaths, Quebec has become the first province to begin reopening schools and businesses everywhere outside of Montreal. The INSPQ also projected 1,000 new cases of the virus a day and a rapid increase in hospitalizations should restrictions lift. - CTV NEWS If the above is not enough, what got me going this morning is this: The federal government has suspended shipments of N95 respirators from a Montreal-based supplier after about eight million of the masks made in China failed to meet specifications. - CBC The masks were intended for essential workers. Quebec over Canada except when it comes to the future federal bailout which will come from the pocket of all of us, working Canadians. It is incompetence or corruption ?