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There's also the political aspect of burkas/niqabs. They are the physical representation of political, fundamentalist, extreme Islam.

Yes I know you don't blame them, you've been clear on that point many times. You've said we deserve it, we have it coming, etc. But I have yet to hear any other useful ideas coming from you, just a seemingly gleeful waiting for the sky to fall on us. Self loathing is a hallmark of leftism.

George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

This is an investigation looking for a crime. They have found no crime, let alone proof or even evidence of a crime, that's what they want Manafort for. It's so transparent that Mueller should be ashamed of himself.

Yes well, despite all its claims to the contrary it's patently obvious your crowd has the same sense of responsibility and lack thereof as its constituents. You are what you eat.

Values change from generation to generation. While I think the Khadr settlement was overly generous, it did at least happen in recent memory, and wasn't compensation for something the government did fifty years ago. We need to put a statute of limitations on these things. Fifty years from now, we may decide that not having a transgendered washroom was torturous, and have to pay out millions to everyone who attended public school during that time. We may once again, romanticize the parent/child bond and decide that all those children taken away from their parents (who were drunk/on drugs/incompetent) had a grave injustice done to them. It's neverending.

It still doesn't add up to anything on Trump - It's a hail Mary pass at best. If he's guilty, lock up Manafort, who cares. You must know that they don't care about Manafort, which means they are looking to find criminality on Trump - of course it's a witch hunt. This indictment has been and was predicted months ago - ho humm!

And the scoop people will get 25g's and these people 10m, really?

I had contempt for the new Federal government, but now that Khadr and 60 of his besties are so welcome by Trudeau, I am now disgusted with cabinet and amazed at just how ignorant and complacent Canadians have become. Of course, the Communist Broadcasting Corporation will give them all a pass, as that is what their job is - to yank this country far enough to the left to be a thorne in the side of the Yanks. I never could have imagined that would extend to becoming a home base for terrorists who could then attack our neighbour.

I think you greatly underestimate Trump. He has a core of tens of millions of ordinary, middle class people who are tired of the globalist leftward drift of government. When Trump ran he was running more as an independent than a Republican. He knows a lot of his base are fed up with all government and he promised to clear the swamp. Trudeau and the Liberals don't really have much of a clue on NAFTA. Taking progressives ideas like native issues, environmental issues, and labour issues to the bargaining table was a disastrous move. That's exactly the kind of thing that Trump hates. Also trying to negotiate a deal with a tri-party deal which includes Mexico was a serious mistake as well. Trump made it clear during the election his main concern with NAFTA was Mexico not Canada. Now Trudeau and the Liberals have made Canada a big concern for Trump. If we get through this reasonably unscathed we will be very fortunate indeed. NAFTA could be finished. Then Canada will have to negotiate piece meal for each industry. That could be very costly for trade. We already signed a trade deal with Europe and some other countries. It is not easy or even possible to replace the U.S. with other countries.

Feel free to sell your boat or whatever you live on and send the check to Khadr.

Problem is should we be giving compensation for everyone that was suspected of anything? Milgaard got ten million for being locked up 23 years, you fight and win a traffic violation, that should be worth fifty grand? People being carded in the cities, they should get a few thousand an incident for being harassed, someone beats a rape charge, that should be worth at least 20 million don't you think? Now he has a reputation... You cut someone off in traffic do you apologize and throw him/her a couple hundred bucks? I know what you're saying but we're just beginning to slide down a very slippery slope here. I know these people deserve to live out their lives as secure and comfortable as possible, maybe they should receive good tax free inflation adjusted income for the rest of their lives. Honestly I'm not a cheap heartless prick, we just need to reasonable about this. I think giving these individuals this kind of lump sum payments like this is going to create a flood of claims both real and imagined.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep, and affects people in the most bizarre ways. At least if they could find some important issues to criticize, which there are, it would be worthy of discussion. Trump has as much as admitted he makes incendiary statements on purpose, to play the liberal media for fools. I suppose the idea is to keep your enemy distracted. If anything the Republican party deserves criticism for not getting their own act together. Many of the plans put forward, health care, tax reform, immigration are long-standing issues that the GOP wanted to change, well before Donald Trump became president. Some people think these plans are all specifically put forward by Donald Trump. They don't understand the role of president and how as a newcomer to the political scene he is inheriting the political agenda of the GOP. Yet their infighting among themselves is the real problem, worthy of ridicule.

Here an interesting perspective on Bill 62 in the Toronto Sun which makes sense. It says the progressives that are opposing bill 62 in Quebec and the rest of country and defending the wearing of a face covering are inadvertently supporting the oppression of Muslim women and girls. They say nothing about the danger these women face if they try to stop wearing a Niqab or Hijab and want to dress like a westerner. Apparently they're more concerned with a Muslim's so-called right to wear this symbol of fundamentalist ideology than Muslim women or girl's bondage and safety. A Muslim teenage girl finally, after being beaten and abused by her father for not wearing a Niqab or Hijab, filed a report to the police. This happened in Gatineau just across the river from the Ottawa mayor who condemned bill 62. Sad. http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-progressive-reaction-to-bill-62-lets-down-vulnerable-muslim-womenA

Why you didnt accept my offer if you were self confident ? You could even offer me just the opposite. You swallow the bait and cannot dare to challange against my bluff. I apologize, it was not you but was BCsapper. You elders all the same for me, so in real life or here, I dont care people's names and cannot keep in mind. I think still I can wriggle out of this. So Canada and US were allies at WW2. These countries are ruled by "democracy". So you choose statesmen to make decisions for your behalf. US bombed civilians in Japan based on some illogical excuses which I told about in my pre posts and your govt supported it, so you supported it. Okay, problem solved

I think Bill 62 in Quebec was stupid but is a direct result of trying to a politically very popular sentiment that Quebecers don't want the full face covering. The Justice Minister of Quebec has now retracted previous statements and says Muslims can keep their faces covered in public and on the bus but if they are asked to show their face to verify a bus pass they will have to which I argued makes sense. I also argued trying to tell people what to wear in public through the government is a very slippery slop. The Part Quebecois wants a law that will have police enforce what can be worn in public. That is just not realistic. I have argued on specific situations we need to see the face to ascertain identity, in others you do not. No you want to go up to a bank teller wearing a full face covering, don't expect that to be o.k. From a practical perspective, face coverings in certain situations in our society is a security issue. False identity theft and fraud is a fact. I argue we have to balance individual freedom and the right to dress how we want (a fundamental democratic right) with security issues that might be caused in specific situations by a face covering AND issues dealing with the timing and place for wearing coverings other than security. Full face coverings are offensive to modern, progressive women and men who believe it is a symbol of repressive sexual fascism. To see people like Eye posing as righteous trending liberals whole supporting sexual fascist symbols is par for the course. Liberals like him can't imagine their shit stinks and the ideologies they embrace are not only fascist but ridicule the very values Eye thinks he is hip to. Make no mistake,-the signal our government is sending is two faced. It slams Christian fundamentalism and supports Muslim Fundamentalism at the same time. The Prime Minister of this country attacked the Conservative opposition leader for being Catholic and suggesting his Catholic fundamentalist beliefs will render him bias as a Prime Minister and this is coming from someone who sat in mosques and welcomes with open arms the support of Muslim fundamentalists who openly preach against Jews and Christians. Trudeau will stand up in Parliament and wax poetic about Islamophobia but when an Imam who teaches at Ryerson gives a speech openly calling for the killing of Jews, Trudeau says NOTHING. My point is simple. Don't tell Christians they can't celebrate their holidays or beliefs publically and then in the next breath defend the rights of Muslims to do the same. Don't like Trudeau did single out a Catholic politician and smeer him for being anti-abortion and then in the next breath represent Muslim fundamentalists with the identical anti-abortion beliefs. I detest religions and philosophies used to tell women their freedom comes from covering themselves up. I think its a mentally unhealthy, repressive, sexually fascist, ignorant, prehistoric approach to healthy gender awareness and violates and contradicts everything democracies stand for and what healthy minds need and want it challenged, condemned, fought against, debated, but ultimately as a conservative I believe that should be done by people in the open in respectful debate not imposed by government agencies. Don't smeer Conservatives of being Christian fundamentalists while claiming to be a righteous hip Liberal while embracing Muslim fundamentalism. I think people like Eye posing as hip leftists and then embracing sexual fascism are full of it-they are oblivious to the contradictions in their message. I say the contradictions have to be balanced and therefore myself, I have no problem with Christians embracing religious symbols in public and for that very reason don't have a problem with Muslims wearing full coverings. However there is a time and place and I don't give a damn what belief you have, if you cover your face while being a witness in court, or when asked to swear an oath, or confirm your identity, lift that hood. As well, for me personally, I find hoods inappropriate if they cut off side vision and the individual is operating machinery or driving a school bus, etc. I do not think religious symbols trump safety requirements Muslim women who want to embrace face coverings choose to limit their access to the public. They can't have it both ways and expect to exclude themselves when its convenient to them but expect everyone else to accommodate them. You want to serve me as a government official or at a public counter take it off. If you are in private business, keep it on and I don't do business with you. Its that simple. You want to cover yourself up that is your choice but do NOT shove or impose your beliefs on me. You want me to respect your right to exclude yourself, respect my right to exclude you for excluding yourself. Its a two way street. So I agree with Besty's blunt comments that started this thread. I also defer to her point which is absolutely true that the call to ban burkas is not only the domain of right wingers and I would add to what Michael H said that banning or non banning of religious symbols is not something particular to any political ideology. It transcends left and right stereotypes. Conservatives value individual freedoms being left alone by the state and prefer to manage things without government imposition-Liberals prefer the state as the agent of imposing things on individuals. Liberals are now imposing a fractured, contradictory mess of a message saying come to Canada and bring your anti democratic views with you because we tolerate intolerance. Me I find all religious symbols from people who are representing the government a potential problem. I have no problem with a head covering but NO you want to serve the public you can't cover your entire face. That's my opinion. Some people want to go further and demand any appearance of religion in the civil service to avoid getting into absurd arguments about when someone's religious symbols go too far. I go back to the swearing in ceremony for citizens. If someone chose to cover their head in a baklava saying it is part of their religious beliefs at a swearing in ceremony it would never be allowed. Someone dressed in Satanic attire for a Canadian citizenship swearing in ceremony including full hood cover probably would be told to leave but not fully covered Muslim woman. That's an inconsistent message. Liberals select the trend or flavour of the day. This same Liberal party that called Jews rats and vermin and sent them back to their death in Hitler's Germany now pose as lovers of refugees and immigrants-so much so they have signalled the world anyone can crash our borders now and come in illegally and there are no legal consequences. The reason? Its real clear. Its selective discrimination based on the perception that anyone breaking into Canada is worthy of anything Canadians have. Its automatic entitlement now symbolized by alleged refugees taking charter buses to the Canadian borders, then driven by taxis with their suit cases to illegal border crossings where they come across and the RCMP and border guards are reduced to carrying their bags. Excuse me but things are out of control. There is a lack of common sense, morality, ethics and need to follow laws. This current government sabotaged the Immigration laws deliberately. It believes the minority vote will re-elect it and identify with the illegals coming in. Trudeau is a racist and believes an African Canadian, Siekh Canadian, Muslim Canadian, identify with the needs of their own people first, and will vote based on their voting for what best suits their own ethnicity and not the entire country. Its a racist assumption minorities are myopic and only vote for things of direct benefit to their ethnic group. Trudeau is creating open tribes of interests which he appeals to tribe members to join and put before a collective Canadian identity. He creates divisions to pander to them to get elected.

None of them cover their faces, and most Mormons, Jews and Mennonites can - and do - wear t-shirts and jeans if they so desire. And we are not comparing isolated sects to a billion and a half Muslims.

It's possible. And I'm not saying Singh can't either, btw. I'm merely expressing the doubt a lot of secular people have about the wisdom of putting people into power over us who are so devoted to their religion they don't leave the house without ensuring their religious costume is firmly in place.

At the rate we are going, Canada soon.

So? It's still a witch hunt.