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Yes, the Americans were there days after the emergency. However I also know that the US told the Navy to leave because the help wasn't needed and in some cases was turned away in areas that really needed help. The reason being that their goverment was busy preparing to help but were still really weeks away from really aiding the people.

The Americans were there before the emergency. Canadians worked under US command, they went nowhere without US orders.

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That would explain why many of the aid groups were saying that they had yet to hear from any of the aid groups and that the Canadians supplied the first bit of aid.

It really didn't matter either way....save for the valuable political perception of providing "aid" whether it was needed or not. The US goverment did the exact same thing for tsunami victims in December 2004, while Canada's DART languished in false expectations that it was a rapid response force.

Let's leave the ambulance chasing to the attorneys.

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Canadians attack Israel because they are ashamed of their own country? O brother. For more on this topic see my post here

Harper has shown the proper amount of respect for Israel, and for Canadian values. By "lack of respect" I mean the spurious view that other value systems are the equivalent of those upheld by Canada and Israel as countries.

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I am staying in Niagara Falls, and just finished an intelligent, though slightly liquor-stoked conversation with an Ontarian. He asked why Americans in general and Bush in particular doesn't show Canada and Canadians more respect.

I think these are entirely the wrong questions. I pointed out that I met a Peterborough, ON school teacher who did not know what happened at the Plains of Abraham and didn't know who Montcalm and Wolfe were. I also asked why, if Canadians are not proud of Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach (Normandy), why should Americans show more respect for Canada than it does for itself.

Thoughts?

Americans respect compliant patsies. Canada has refused to tow the American line in some cases, and that makes Americans angry. It also made them dump out their french wine on the street, and rename their french fries :lol::lol::lol:

I dont need or want the kind of respect from Americans that youre talking about. We have had a peaceful and mutual beneficial relationship with the US, and we enjoy the largest economic partnership in the history of the human race. Thats good enough for me. Americans are great neighbors to have, regardless of whether or not they "respect" Canada in the way you describe.

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Harper has shown the proper amount of respect for Israel, and for Canadian values. By "lack of respect" I mean the spurious view that other value systems are the equivalent of those upheld by Canada and Israel as countries.

Canada and Israel do not uphold the same value systems. Canada has been a strong supporter of multilateralism and has officially opposed almost everything the state of Israel has ever done, accept when it has a compelling self interest.

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Americans respect compliant patsies. Canada has refused to tow the American line in some cases, and that makes Americans angry. It also made them dump out their french wine on the street, and rename their french fries :lol::lol::lol:

What does French wine have to do with Canada?

I dont need or want the kind of respect from Americans that youre talking about. We have had a peaceful and mutual beneficial relationship with the US, and we enjoy the largest economic partnership in the history of the human race. Thats good enough for me. Americans are great neighbors to have, regardless of whether or not they "respect" Canada in the way you describe.

What I'm asking Canadians to do is learn their own proud history, not be toadies to the U.S. Otherwise I agree with this part of your post.

Canada and Israel do not uphold the same value systems. Canada has been a strong supporter of multilateralism and has officially opposed almost everything the state of Israel has ever done, accept when it has a compelling self interest.

Multiculturalism is not a value system. It's an abdication of the responsibility to integrate newcomers.

That being said Israel is somewhat multicultural itself, though maybe not be choice.

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What does French wine have to do with Canada?

What I'm asking Canadians to do is learn their own proud history, not be toadies to the U.S. Otherwise I agree with this part of your post.

Multiculturalism is not a value system. It's an abdication of the responsibility to integrate newcomers.

That being said Israel is somewhat multicultural itself, though maybe not be choice.

I said multilateralsim, not multiculturalism.

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I said multilateralsim, not multiculturalism.

And how, other than Canada having diplomatic relations with more countries than Israel (not even sure if Israel and Canada have ambassadorial relations) is Canada more "multilateral"? And yes, I mis-read. Thanks for catching it.

But do explain, since Israel and Canada are both Western democracies in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza?

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And how, other than Canada havign diplomatic relations with more countries than Israel (not even sure if Israel and Canada have ambassadorial relations) is Canada more "multilateral"? And yes, I mis-read. Thanks for catching it.

Canada has been a strong proponent of multilateralism and most of its stances on Israel have been based on that. Israel thumbs is nose at the whole concept.

But do explain, since Israel and Canada are both Western democracies in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza?

Israel prevents millions of the citizens under its control from either participating in Israeli elections or forming a state of their own. And it manipulates its own demographics around maintaining a religious majority. Its a hell of a stretch to compare Israel to Canada in terms of democracy.

in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza

Seems like an irrelevant comparison. Why would you compare an affluent modern nation state like Canada with the temporary authority of a people living under brutal occupation?

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Multilateralism is morally bankrupt?

Does that make unilateralism morally righteous?

When the result of multilateralism is that morally reprehensible activities draw a U.N. resolution rather than serious action.

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When the result of multilateralism is that morally reprehensible activities draw a U.N. resolution rather than serious action.

No thats not the result of multilateralism its the opposite. Thats the result of the UN not being truly multilateral institution, and allows a handfull of countries the right to veto the will of the rest.

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I am staying in Niagara Falls, and just finished an intelligent, though slightly liquor-stoked conversation with an Ontarian. He asked why Americans in general and Bush in particular doesn't show Canada and Canadians more respect.

I think these are entirely the wrong questions. I pointed out that I met a Peterborough, ON school teacher who did not know what happened at the Plains of Abraham and didn't know who Montcalm and Wolfe were. I also asked why, if Canadians are not proud of Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach (Normandy), why should Americans show more respect for Canada than it does for itself.

Thoughts?

As with all leaned people - who are worth their salt - It is not about formal education...it is about those that actually like learning...some do and some do not...America really does not have an inferior education system..they just have a bigger population which manifests itself in a higher volume of ignorance..truth - reality or learning what and how things work takes courage..Reality is sometimes unpleasant and human beings in general are quite cowardly.

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...America really does not have an inferior education system..they just have a bigger population which manifests itself in a higher volume of ignorance..

That's OK....the millions of international students and educators seeking academic credentials in America make up for that. Just ask Michael Ignatieff.

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No thats not the result of multilateralism its the opposite. Thats the result of the UN not being truly multilateral institution, and allows a handfull of countries the right to veto the will of the rest.

The UNSC is also multilateral...

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That's OK....the millions of international students and educators seeking academic credentials in America make up for that. Just ask Michael Ignatieff.

A lot of good other than academic vanity - those "credentials" have done Ignatieff! America is like a stero typical old school Jew that only respects those with a shit load of money - If we were richer..America would respect us more..But is that real respect?

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A lot of good other than academic vanity - those "credentials" have done Ignatieff! America is like a stero typical old school Jew that only respects those with a shit load of money - If we were richer..America would respect us more..But is that real respect?

Stereo typical old school Jew?

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It was to early as Canada only became a country in 1867.

If you really want to go back it was the 'Battle of the Plains of Abraham' that formed the ground work relating to the origins of Canada's constitution.

Both the war of 1812 and 'the Plains of Abraham', were both British efforts.

It was only after the 'federal union' in 1867, that Canada became the Canada we know to-day.

This is why the British are so important relating to Canada's basic origins and why they are an extremely important part of our history.

The canadian militia and british troops, walk into the white house and drank their booze ate their food had their way with the women and burnt down the whitehouse and went home with a hangover.
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