M.Dancer Posted November 17, 2008 Report Posted November 17, 2008 Yes, the Americans were there days after the emergency. However I also know that the US told the Navy to leave because the help wasn't needed and in some cases was turned away in areas that really needed help. The reason being that their goverment was busy preparing to help but were still really weeks away from really aiding the people. The Americans were there before the emergency. Canadians worked under US command, they went nowhere without US orders. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Donaill Posted November 17, 2008 Report Posted November 17, 2008 The Americans were there before the emergency. Canadians worked under US command, they went nowhere without US orders. That would explain why many of the aid groups were saying that they had yet to hear from any of the aid groups and that the Canadians supplied the first bit of aid. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Posted November 18, 2008 That would explain why many of the aid groups were saying that they had yet to hear from any of the aid groups and that the Canadians supplied the first bit of aid. It really didn't matter either way....save for the valuable political perception of providing "aid" whether it was needed or not. The US goverment did the exact same thing for tsunami victims in December 2004, while Canada's DART languished in false expectations that it was a rapid response force. Let's leave the ambulance chasing to the attorneys. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Posted January 30, 2009 For more thoughts on the topics raised by my opening post, go to this thread (link) and in particular this post (link). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Higgly Posted January 30, 2009 Report Posted January 30, 2009 For more thoughts on the topics raised by my opening post, go to this thread (link) and in particular this post (link). Canadians attack Israel because they are ashamed of their own country? O brother. For more on this topic see my post here Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted November 14, 2010 Author Report Posted November 14, 2010 Canadians attack Israel because they are ashamed of their own country? O brother. For more on this topic see my post here Harper has shown the proper amount of respect for Israel, and for Canadian values. By "lack of respect" I mean the spurious view that other value systems are the equivalent of those upheld by Canada and Israel as countries. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted November 15, 2010 Report Posted November 15, 2010 I am staying in Niagara Falls, and just finished an intelligent, though slightly liquor-stoked conversation with an Ontarian. He asked why Americans in general and Bush in particular doesn't show Canada and Canadians more respect. I think these are entirely the wrong questions. I pointed out that I met a Peterborough, ON school teacher who did not know what happened at the Plains of Abraham and didn't know who Montcalm and Wolfe were. I also asked why, if Canadians are not proud of Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach (Normandy), why should Americans show more respect for Canada than it does for itself. Thoughts? Americans respect compliant patsies. Canada has refused to tow the American line in some cases, and that makes Americans angry. It also made them dump out their french wine on the street, and rename their french fries I dont need or want the kind of respect from Americans that youre talking about. We have had a peaceful and mutual beneficial relationship with the US, and we enjoy the largest economic partnership in the history of the human race. Thats good enough for me. Americans are great neighbors to have, regardless of whether or not they "respect" Canada in the way you describe. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 15, 2010 Report Posted November 15, 2010 Harper has shown the proper amount of respect for Israel, and for Canadian values. By "lack of respect" I mean the spurious view that other value systems are the equivalent of those upheld by Canada and Israel as countries. Canada and Israel do not uphold the same value systems. Canada has been a strong supporter of multilateralism and has officially opposed almost everything the state of Israel has ever done, accept when it has a compelling self interest. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Posted November 15, 2010 Americans respect compliant patsies. Canada has refused to tow the American line in some cases, and that makes Americans angry. It also made them dump out their french wine on the street, and rename their french fries What does French wine have to do with Canada? I dont need or want the kind of respect from Americans that youre talking about. We have had a peaceful and mutual beneficial relationship with the US, and we enjoy the largest economic partnership in the history of the human race. Thats good enough for me. Americans are great neighbors to have, regardless of whether or not they "respect" Canada in the way you describe. What I'm asking Canadians to do is learn their own proud history, not be toadies to the U.S. Otherwise I agree with this part of your post. Canada and Israel do not uphold the same value systems. Canada has been a strong supporter of multilateralism and has officially opposed almost everything the state of Israel has ever done, accept when it has a compelling self interest. Multiculturalism is not a value system. It's an abdication of the responsibility to integrate newcomers. That being said Israel is somewhat multicultural itself, though maybe not be choice. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted November 15, 2010 Report Posted November 15, 2010 What does French wine have to do with Canada? What I'm asking Canadians to do is learn their own proud history, not be toadies to the U.S. Otherwise I agree with this part of your post. Multiculturalism is not a value system. It's an abdication of the responsibility to integrate newcomers. That being said Israel is somewhat multicultural itself, though maybe not be choice. I said multilateralsim, not multiculturalism. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) I said multilateralsim, not multiculturalism. And how, other than Canada having diplomatic relations with more countries than Israel (not even sure if Israel and Canada have ambassadorial relations) is Canada more "multilateral"? And yes, I mis-read. Thanks for catching it. But do explain, since Israel and Canada are both Western democracies in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza? Edited November 15, 2010 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted November 15, 2010 Report Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) And how, other than Canada havign diplomatic relations with more countries than Israel (not even sure if Israel and Canada have ambassadorial relations) is Canada more "multilateral"? And yes, I mis-read. Thanks for catching it. Canada has been a strong proponent of multilateralism and most of its stances on Israel have been based on that. Israel thumbs is nose at the whole concept. But do explain, since Israel and Canada are both Western democracies in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza? Israel prevents millions of the citizens under its control from either participating in Israeli elections or forming a state of their own. And it manipulates its own demographics around maintaining a religious majority. Its a hell of a stretch to compare Israel to Canada in terms of democracy. in what ways are they not more alike than Canada and the Palestinian Authority or Gaza Seems like an irrelevant comparison. Why would you compare an affluent modern nation state like Canada with the temporary authority of a people living under brutal occupation? Edited November 15, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
ToadBrother Posted November 15, 2010 Report Posted November 15, 2010 Canada has been a strong proponent of multilateralism and most of its stances on Israel have been based on that. Israel thumbs is nose at the whole concept. Because the concept is morally bankrupt. Quote
bloodyminded Posted November 16, 2010 Report Posted November 16, 2010 Because the concept is morally bankrupt. Multilateralism is morally bankrupt? Does that make unilateralism morally righteous? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted November 17, 2010 Author Report Posted November 17, 2010 Multilateralism is morally bankrupt? Does that make unilateralism morally righteous? When the result of multilateralism is that morally reprehensible activities draw a U.N. resolution rather than serious action. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted November 17, 2010 Report Posted November 17, 2010 When the result of multilateralism is that morally reprehensible activities draw a U.N. resolution rather than serious action. No thats not the result of multilateralism its the opposite. Thats the result of the UN not being truly multilateral institution, and allows a handfull of countries the right to veto the will of the rest. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Oleg Bach Posted November 17, 2010 Report Posted November 17, 2010 I am staying in Niagara Falls, and just finished an intelligent, though slightly liquor-stoked conversation with an Ontarian. He asked why Americans in general and Bush in particular doesn't show Canada and Canadians more respect. I think these are entirely the wrong questions. I pointed out that I met a Peterborough, ON school teacher who did not know what happened at the Plains of Abraham and didn't know who Montcalm and Wolfe were. I also asked why, if Canadians are not proud of Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach (Normandy), why should Americans show more respect for Canada than it does for itself. Thoughts? As with all leaned people - who are worth their salt - It is not about formal education...it is about those that actually like learning...some do and some do not...America really does not have an inferior education system..they just have a bigger population which manifests itself in a higher volume of ignorance..truth - reality or learning what and how things work takes courage..Reality is sometimes unpleasant and human beings in general are quite cowardly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 17, 2010 Report Posted November 17, 2010 ...America really does not have an inferior education system..they just have a bigger population which manifests itself in a higher volume of ignorance.. That's OK....the millions of international students and educators seeking academic credentials in America make up for that. Just ask Michael Ignatieff. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted November 17, 2010 Report Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) No thats not the result of multilateralism its the opposite. Thats the result of the UN not being truly multilateral institution, and allows a handfull of countries the right to veto the will of the rest. The UNSC is also multilateral... Edited November 17, 2010 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dre Posted November 18, 2010 Report Posted November 18, 2010 The UNSC is also multilateral... True but some members can unilaterally block anything it tries to do. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Moonlight Graham Posted November 19, 2010 Report Posted November 19, 2010 ...none i tells ya! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Oleg Bach Posted November 19, 2010 Report Posted November 19, 2010 That's OK....the millions of international students and educators seeking academic credentials in America make up for that. Just ask Michael Ignatieff. A lot of good other than academic vanity - those "credentials" have done Ignatieff! America is like a stero typical old school Jew that only respects those with a shit load of money - If we were richer..America would respect us more..But is that real respect? Quote
jbg Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Posted January 20, 2011 A lot of good other than academic vanity - those "credentials" have done Ignatieff! America is like a stero typical old school Jew that only respects those with a shit load of money - If we were richer..America would respect us more..But is that real respect? Stereo typical old school Jew? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted January 25, 2011 Report Posted January 25, 2011 Stereo typical old school Jew? An ironic appellation. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
PIK Posted February 1, 2011 Report Posted February 1, 2011 It was to early as Canada only became a country in 1867. If you really want to go back it was the 'Battle of the Plains of Abraham' that formed the ground work relating to the origins of Canada's constitution. Both the war of 1812 and 'the Plains of Abraham', were both British efforts. It was only after the 'federal union' in 1867, that Canada became the Canada we know to-day. This is why the British are so important relating to Canada's basic origins and why they are an extremely important part of our history. The canadian militia and british troops, walk into the white house and drank their booze ate their food had their way with the women and burnt down the whitehouse and went home with a hangover. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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