Chavez calls Bush War Criminal

[Leafless]

What does it take to get the U.S. REALLY ANGRY?

Chavez's MOUTH is threatening the stability of the FREE WORLD and the integrity of President G.W. Bush and the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249540,00.html

[Shakeyhands]

Integrity and Bush in the same sentence..... wow.

How is what Chavez words doing anything that you have accused him of?

[kimmy]

The more interesting Hugo Chavez news is this:

Chavez defense rule by decree

Signing a newly approved congressional measure that grants him broad legislative powers, Chavez said his new powers will allow for changes to lead the country toward socialism but denied it poses any threat to democracy or individual freedoms.

"We are increasing power, but it's the power of the nation, national power. It's not anyone's personal power," Chavez said at a news conference Thursday.

...

Chavez lashed out at Bush for saying Wednesday that he was concerned about an "undermining of democratic institutions" in Venezuela.

The Venezuelan president retorted that Bush is "more dangerous than a monkey with a razor blade."

"I pray to God for the people of the United States. I hope they're capable of liberating themselves from the tyranny they have," Chavez said. "Who would be the greater fascist - Hitler or Bush? They might end up in a draw."

It seems like Chavez wishes to distract attention from his internal controversy by averting the peoples' attention to an external boogeyman.

"Rule by decree? Me? Don't worry, it's not a big deal, I'm just going to clean up some paperwork. But look at that Bush! Bush! He's a fascist! He's worse than Hitler! Holy crap, that Bush, he's a bad guy!"

Just standard politicking.

-k

[Black Dog]

President Bush has signed a directive that gives the White House much greater control over the rules and policy statements that the government develops to protect public health, safety, the environment, civil rights and privacy.

I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'.

[kimmy]

President Bush has signed a directive that gives the White House much greater control over the rules and policy statements that the government develops to protect public health, safety, the environment, civil rights and privacy.

I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'.

"Rule by decree? Me? Don't worry, it's not a big deal, I'm just going to clean up some paperwork. But look at that Chavez! Chavez! He's a dictator! He's worse than Mao! Holy crap, that Chavez, he's a bad guy!"

-k

[Leafless]

Integrity and Bush in the same sentence..... wow.

How is what Chavez words doing anything that you have accused him of?

Chavez is pounding the war drums.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-01...venezuela_x.htm

http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/nunan.htm

I don't know about you, but I prefer the U.S. and capitalism over a bunch of tin pot dictators controlling the future of the world we live in.

[GostHacked]

Chavez is pounding the war drums.

Bush has been doing that for the past 6 years, where the hell have you been? The Capitalistic Military Industrial Complex wants to do business with you.

[Leafless]

Chavez is pounding the war drums.

Bush has been doing that for the past 6 years, where the hell have you been? The Capitalistic Military Industrial Complex wants to do business with you.

I live in Canada and the U.S. is an important trading partner and ally.

What country do you live in?

[GostHacked]

Chavez is pounding the war drums.

Bush has been doing that for the past 6 years, where the hell have you been? The Capitalistic Military Industrial Complex wants to do business with you.

I live in Canada and the U.S. is an important trading partner and ally.

What country do you live in?

Canada, and also

don't know about you, but I prefer the U.S. and capitalism over a bunch of tin pot dictators controlling the future of the world we live in.

With the executive powers Bush has, he is one of those tin pot dictators. Along with Chavez, Putin, Jong Ill, Hussein...... Anyone who is not asleep, knows that he is a hypocrite like any leader before him. Harper is the same way here. The politicians are playing the general public for fools. That is why the have PROPAGANDA entities know to you as PUBLIC RELATIONS. That way they can filter out what gets to you. Any of this getting through to you over there?? Cool.

Both Bush and Chavez seek dictoral like powers. In Venezuela, Chavez wants to take over energy sources and turn the profits over to the people. All the people. Probably through state run health care, education, giving back to the people of the country instead of those dollars going elsewhere. Bush, is in partnership with some of these energy companies (daddy is in big oil remember?) so, in the US, most legistlation favours the corporate entities. And you call it a democracy. More money goes to the corporate big wig pigs, and less and less gets back to the population in which the money is comming from.

Bush does not want this nationalization of energy in Venezuela for it hurts the US's bottom dollar.

[Leafless]

With the executive powers Bush has, he is one of those tin pot dictators. Along with Chavez, Putin, Jong Ill, Hussein...... Anyone who is not asleep, knows that he is a hypocrite like any leader before him. Harper is the same way here. The politicians are playing the general public for fools. That is why the have PROPAGANDA entities know to you as PUBLIC RELATIONS. That way they can filter out what gets to you. Any of this getting through to you over there?? Cool.

The U.S. is no tin pot dictator.

All countries have political interest and are accounted for according to political and military clout.

I find it incredible that a Canadian would express your type of view in a democratic, free country such as Canada who is so closely related to the success of American political endeavors.

[newbie]

What does it take to get the U.S. REALLY ANGRY?

Chavez's MOUTH is threatening the stability of the FREE WORLD and the integrity of President G.W. Bush and the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249540,00.html

Uh, actually it is Bush who threatens the stability of the world. Thank God he'll be gone in a couple of years.

[sharkman]

Chavez has received sweeping new powers for the next 18 months. He plans to seize control of the oil industry, and is warning Chevron, Shell, and the rest to get ready for it. He would like them to remain minority partners of their own investments! And he will do it and close down tv stations he doesn't like. Any comments to that, or would you rather just bushbash.

[newbie]

I consider both of these gentlemen in the same league. You may call it Bush bashing, but I call it addressing the reality of the 21st century.

[blackascoal]

Chavez has received sweeping new powers for the next 18 months. He plans to seize control of the oil industry, and is warning Chevron, Shell, and the rest to get ready for it. He would like them to remain minority partners of their own investments! And he will do it and close down tv stations he doesn't like. Any comments to that, or would you rather just bushbash.

Chavez and the people of Venezula can do whatever they want with THEIR resources .. no differently than America or Canada does whatevr they want with theirs. The people of Venezula can bestow whatever powers they want to THEIR leader.

The oil corporations have made more money than God has since the invasion of Iraq. Perhaps Chavez has been reading Thomas Jefferson who declared that freedom from corporations was a basic human right.

Perhaps Chavez, as is the rest of the world, aware of the Oil Law that the Bush Administration is pushing on the Iraqis which gives extrodinary control of Iraq's oil resources to western corporations for an exagerrated price and for an exagerrated period.

Perhaps Chavez is aware of the hand that US and British oil corporations played when Iran nationalized their oil resources .. and the US and British governments overthrew Iran's democratically elected government to install a brutal dictator that immediately gave the oil back to the oil corporations .. especially given that the CIA has already tried to topple his democratically elected government but failed.

Perhaps Chavez is aware that there ain't shit the US can do about what he has to say or do in HIS country.

What are you suggesting, that we now attack Venezula .. while we're attacking Iran .. and attacking Iraq .. and attacking Afghanistan .. and making plans to attack Syria .. all by ourselevs?

NATO wants out of Afghanistan .. and just about everybody has already left Iraq. The British and Japanese will be leaving any minute now.

All by ourselves

See, didn't mention the idiot once.

[Canadian Blue]

If I had to choose between Bush or Chavez, I'd choose Bush, much more democratic.

I'm not sure, for some reason Chavez remind's me of Idi Amin. I have a distrust for any leader who want's to build a utopia, since usually a utopia only leads to genocide.

[GostHacked]

With the executive powers Bush has, he is one of those tin pot dictators. Along with Chavez, Putin, Jong Ill, Hussein...... Anyone who is not asleep, knows that he is a hypocrite like any leader before him. Harper is the same way here. The politicians are playing the general public for fools. That is why the have PROPAGANDA entities know to you as PUBLIC RELATIONS. That way they can filter out what gets to you. Any of this getting through to you over there?? Cool.

The U.S. is no tin pot dictator.

All countries have political interest and are accounted for according to political and military clout.

I find it incredible that a Canadian would express your type of view in a democratic, free country such as Canada who is so closely related to the success of American political endeavors.

I find it incredible that being a Canadian had anything to do with it. It's not just a view of a Canadian, but many around the world share my view of events. Maybe I am just more observant than most, or I have the ability to read into things a little more. Then again I could be completely delusional.

Meh.

[blackascoal]

If I had to choose between Bush or Chavez, I'd choose Bush, much more democratic.

I'm not sure, for some reason Chavez remind's me of Idi Amin. I have a distrust for any leader who want's to build a utopia, since usually a utopia only leads to genocide.

Then again, you aren't Venezulan. Bet they wouldn't choose Bush, and in their country, theirs is the only opinion that really counts.

In Venezula, 63% have an unfavorable view of Bush .. and in America, 64% have an unfavorable view of Bush.

Damn, they seem to hate him almost as much as we do.

From the polls I've seen, Canadians view China with about as much favorability as they view Bush, so Chavez may have better numbers than Bush even in Canada. At least he leads a democracy.

[BubberMiley]

...or would you rather just bushbash.

A peculiarity of the right-wing posters on this forum is they often offer little by way of debate, other than saying you're "Bush-bashing" and, alternatively, "Harper-hating." Strange that this lame argument has been used hundreds of times, and I have yet to hear anyone called a "Chretien-hater" or a "Martin-basher."

[sharkman]

...or would you rather just bushbash.

A peculiarity of the right-wing posters on this forum is they often offer little by way of debate, other than saying you're "Bush-bashing" and, alternatively, "Harper-hating." Strange that this lame argument has been used hundreds of times, and I have yet to hear anyone called a "Chretien-hater" or a "Martin-basher."

You ignored the rest of my post which outlined my debate on Chavez vs Bush.

[BubberMiley]

You ignored the rest of my post which outlined my debate on Chavez vs Bush.

That's because I'm more interested in criticizing Bush than defending Chavez.

[Canadian Blue]

From the polls I've seen, Canadians view China with about as much favorability as they view Bush, so Chavez may have better numbers than Bush even in Canada. At least he leads a democracy.

Didn't Chavez attempt a coup d'etat.

If Canadian's view China as favorably as they view America then they need a serious kick in the ass. Their probably just ignorant about the world outside of Canada and the US.

[Rue]

What does it take to get the U.S. REALLY ANGRY?

Chavez's MOUTH is threatening the stability of the FREE WORLD and the integrity of President G.W. Bush and the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249540,00.html

Get a grip. Aside from you and perhaps some of your relatives, no one else cares. I suggest an anti-depressant.

[blackascoal]

From the polls I've seen, Canadians view China with about as much favorability as they view Bush, so Chavez may have better numbers than Bush even in Canada. At least he leads a democracy.

Didn't Chavez attempt a coup d'etat.

If Canadian's view China as favorably as they view America then they need a serious kick in the ass. Their probably just ignorant about the world outside of Canada and the US.

I didn't say America, I said Bush .. and that makes it completely understandable.

And, it's the other way around. A coup was attempted on the Chavez government.

Venezuela coup linked to Bush team

Specialists in the 'dirty wars' of the Eighties encouraged the plotters who tried to topple President Chavez

Sunday April 21, 2002

The Observer

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...,688071,00.html

The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time.

Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.

It also also deepens doubts about policy in the region being made by appointees to the Bush administration, all of whom owe their careers to serving in the dirty wars under President Reagan.

One of them, Elliot Abrams, who gave a nod to the attempted Venezuelan coup, has a conviction for misleading Congress over the infamous Iran-Contra affair. The Bush administration has tried to distance itself from the coup. It immediately endorsed the new government under businessman Pedro Carmona. But the coup was sent dramatically into reverse after 48 hours.

The visits by Venezuelans plotting a coup, including Carmona himself, began, say sources, 'several months ago', and continued until weeks before the putsch last weekend. The visitors were received at the White House by the man President George Bush tasked to be his key policy-maker for Latin America, Otto Reich.

On the day Carmona claimed power, Reich summoned ambassadors from Latin America and the Caribbean to his office. He said the removal of Chavez was not a rupture of democra tic rule, as he had resigned and was 'responsible for his fate'. He said the US would support the Carmona government.

But the crucial figure around the coup was Abrams, who operates in the White House as senior director of the National Security Council for 'democracy, human rights and international opera tions'. He was a leading theoretician of the school known as 'Hemispherism', which put a priority on combating Marxism in the Americas.

It led to the coup in Chile in 1973, and the sponsorship of regimes and death squads that followed it in Argentina, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and elsewhere. During the Contras' rampage in Nicaragua, he worked directly to North.

Congressional investigations found Abrams had harvested illegal funding for the rebellion. Convicted for withholding information from the inquiry, he was pardoned by George Bush senior.

Any wonder why the name "Bush" is hated all over Latin America or why Chavez call Bush the devil?

[sharkman]

Chavez has received sweeping new powers for the next 18 months. He plans to seize control of the oil industry, and is warning Chevron, Shell, and the rest to get ready for it. He would like them to remain minority partners of their own investments! And he will do it and close down tv stations he doesn't like. Any comments to that, or would you rather just bushbash.

Chavez and the people of Venezula can do whatever they want with THEIR resources .. no differently than America or Canada does whatevr they want with theirs. The people of Venezula can bestow whatever powers they want to THEIR leader.

The oil corporations have made more money than God has since the invasion of Iraq. Perhaps Chavez has been reading Thomas Jefferson who declared that freedom from corporations was a basic human right.

It is hypocritical of you to find nothing wrong with the people of Venezuela bestowing whatever powers they want to THEIR leader and out the other side of your mouth proclaim how evil the U.S. is when they have only done the exact same thing.

Not that I'm surprised, but you can't tell up from down.

[GostHacked]

Chavez has received sweeping new powers for the next 18 months. He plans to seize control of the oil industry, and is warning Chevron, Shell, and the rest to get ready for it. He would like them to remain minority partners of their own investments! And he will do it and close down tv stations he doesn't like. Any comments to that, or would you rather just bushbash.

Chavez and the people of Venezula can do whatever they want with THEIR resources .. no differently than America or Canada does whatevr they want with theirs. The people of Venezula can bestow whatever powers they want to THEIR leader.

The oil corporations have made more money than God has since the invasion of Iraq. Perhaps Chavez has been reading Thomas Jefferson who declared that freedom from corporations was a basic human right.

It is hypocritical of you to find nothing wrong with the people of Venezuela bestowing whatever powers they want to THEIR leader and out the other side of your mouth proclaim how evil the U.S. is when they have only done the exact same thing.

Not that I'm surprised, but you can't tell up from down.

This might be where you are seeing it wrong. Venezuelan citizens are giving this power to Chavez. They voted on it, and said yes to it. NOT ONE SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN CAN OR HAS EVEN GIVEN BUSH THE POWERS HE HAS SOUGHT AND GOT. Executive Orders and just that. He makes the rules. Bush is the 'decider', just as long as he is the dictator.

Ok, now your turn.