Diversity Stress

[I am Groot]

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, with no evidence whatsoever to support the belief, but an abundance of curses and insults directed at anyone who challenges it. Of course, the people pushing it are rarely those who have to deal with it. It's the peasants who have to live, day to day, amid a growing throng of people who barely speak their language, don't care about or for their culture, and in many cases, resent them due to decades of cultural propaganda in their homelands which blamed whites for all manner of social ills. Their former countries were poor because they were cheated, not because of corrupt, incompetent governments.

We go about our lives as usual, but the everyday interactions we have in the course of our days are now frequently with people who are not like us. Communication is sparse, confined to business. It often lacks the casual friendliness of dealing with people just like us. Half the time, their language skills are clearly not capable of much in the way of conversation, and in many cases they exude a strong of foreignness which suggests they'd have little interest anyway. The difference is notable. When we get a person on the phone without an accent, for example, or a repair person shows up who was born here, or an Uber driver who is white, we feel a bit of a sense of relief. Easy interaction often follows. It isn't just about language, nor at all about colour. The South Asian repair guy sent by your internet company can speak understandably, at least, but clearly doesn't give a damn about anything and is uninterested in your level of satisfaction. The bored bank teller might or might not understand you, but there's definitely no friendliness there, just script following. You'll exchange no banter with the people at the store, and usually sit quietly in the back of your uber or taxi since the driver can barely grunt a few words in English. In all of this the social in society is lost.

And you know things are only going to get worse because the political elites keep flooding us with foreigners for their own purposes, and the flood is far too large to integrate even if we urged them to, which the elites most definitely do not do. And as the minorities become the majority, and they don't think like you or have the same culture as you, what then? Then they vote for one of theirs to run things, like the minority majority did in the mayoral elections in New York and London. Then the state/provincial governments become like that, then the federal government. And none of them, competing as they do for tribal votes, give a damn about what you want or think. 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

[Michael Hardner]

You decry "no evidence" then proceed with anecdotal evidence and shadowy leagues of "elites".

 

There's certainly a conversation to be had, if people can leave their baggage outside.

[herbie]

The usual racist bullshit post.
I've ssn no evidence of 'foreigners' flooding us.  A handful of MAN and Bedford safari tpye trucks, but those are just tourists. Plenty of Americans, but they're not foreigners in my books.
Maybe you speak of the Ukranians taking refuge here who don't hide their identity inside cultural events only like the kids I grew up with in the 1960s? Or the Syrian who bought the Drug Store? Well he's not a foreigner anymore, he's one of us.

Perhaps it's the anti-immigrant fascists who've stalled the economy, cost thousands of educational layoffs and crippled universities ad schools of their funding that should go somewhere else.

[paxamericana]

42 minutes ago, herbie said:

Plenty of Americans, but they're not foreigners in my books.

Ha I knew it! Feelings mutual 51ster.

[paxamericana]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

Perhaps it's the anti-immigrant fascists who've stalled the economy, cost thousands of educational layoffs and crippled universities ad schools of their funding that should go somewhere else.

You know you wouldn’t need to import people or votes if you all decided to have more children. Seriously, more babies means less need for immigrants. @Michael Hardner

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

  Seriously, more babies means less need for immigrants. @Michael Hardner

I know that.

Also the birthrate ticks up, I believe, at the higher end of the wealth curve.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, with no evidence whatsoever to support the belief, but an abundance of curses and insults directed at anyone who challenges it. Of course, the people pushing it are rarely those who have to deal with it. It's the peasants who have to live, day to day, amid a growing throng of people who barely speak their language, don't care about or for their culture, and in many cases, resent them due to decades of cultural propaganda in their homelands which blamed whites for all manner of social ills. Their former countries were poor because they were cheated, not because of corrupt, incompetent governments.

We go about our lives as usual, but the everyday interactions we have in the course of our days are now frequently with people who are not like us. Communication is sparse, confined to business. It often lacks the casual friendliness of dealing with people just like us. Half the time, their language skills are clearly not capable of much in the way of conversation, and in many cases they exude a strong of foreignness which suggests they'd have little interest anyway. The difference is notable. When we get a person on the phone without an accent, for example, or a repair person shows up who was born here, or an Uber driver who is white, we feel a bit of a sense of relief. Easy interaction often follows. It isn't just about language, nor at all about colour. The South Asian repair guy sent by your internet company can speak understandably, at least, but clearly doesn't give a damn about anything and is uninterested in your level of satisfaction. The bored bank teller might or might not understand you, but there's definitely no friendliness there, just script following. You'll exchange no banter with the people at the store, and usually sit quietly in the back of your uber or taxi since the driver can barely grunt a few words in English. In all of this the social in society is lost.

And you know things are only going to get worse because the political elites keep flooding us with foreigners for their own purposes, and the flood is far too large to integrate even if we urged them to, which the elites most definitely do not do. And as the minorities become the majority, and they don't think like you or have the same culture as you, what then? Then they vote for one of theirs to run things, like the minority majority did in the mayoral elections in New York and London. Then the state/provincial governments become like that, then the federal government. And none of them, competing as they do for tribal votes, give a damn about what you want or think. 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism. Right wing ideology can exist without centralized authority for the most part or certainly with limited centralized authority but left wing politics requires a strong centralized authority and obedience to it in order to achieve it stated goals. You can't control speech, redistribute wealth, collect tax etc etc without the benefit of a powerful centralized gov't. 

That requires a certain level of weakness amongst the people. If the people themselves are strong and capable of providing for their own needs then they don't have any interest in a centralized authority

If however the people are weak and divided and do not share a common set of beliefs or goals or morals or ethics then it becomes much easier to claim that we need a strong central authority to manage all of these diverse interests

When they say diversity is our strength they're referring specifically to the government. Diversity is a blessing to centralize authority

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism.

We're too busy Laughing Our Ass' Off at you people to bother enslaving you!

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism... 🤣

To be honest though, you won't be hearing to much complaining from me if public safety requires us to round you dingbats up get ya'll on a course of thorazine treatment.

If nothing else the end of the world won't be so unbearable with the comic relief you people provide.

Meanwhile, the hard boiled right, at it's black unforgiving uncompromising heart, is all about religion and shackling human minds to it's supernatural gibberish.

Which explains why they say stupid shit like the left is at its heart all about authoritarianism... 🤣

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

The right has been beating society over the head with their conviction commies have taken over for much longer.

From the article...I’d just then experienced an acute case of what I’ve come to call diversity stress or migration fatigue: the pervasive anxiety that attends life in societies buffeted by too much...

Blah blah blah...

Yes we've seen this stress manifest before many times...too much hair...too much sex, drugs and rock and roll...too much civil rights...too much environmentalism...it just goes on and on and on.

But above all else and at the heart of right wing grievance politics...too much leftism.

So fùckin' do something about it already or stfu.

[Moonlight Graham]

The good news for Canada is that conflict over multicultural schisms (besides old anglo/ French/ indigenous tensions) have been a lot more intense in countries like the UK, France, and the US.  So whatever happens there (good or bad) hopefully we'll be able to learn those lessons and course correct if necessary before they get as bad here as whatever happens there.

I think what we need in Canada is a stronger focus on national identity to foster unity where everyone feels like they're on the same team.  Putting most of the focus on how we're all different will also deepen tribalism.

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

Birth control, abortion, divorce rights, immigration etc all have their place in society, but progressives rarely if ever have frank discussions on when they might go too far and the negatives that may result. In fact it makes them feel threatened, plus they don't want to give any wind to conservatives who oppose them.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

We're too busy Laughing Our Ass' Off at you people to bother enslaving you!

 

Aww... that's what you always say when you realize you look stupid. Sorry to end your weekend like that little guy  

and in fact the research I published today on this forum proves that you're not laughing laughing your ass is off. As a group you're experiencing severe depression and mental health issues.

Feel better  

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The good news for Canada is that conflict over multicultural schisms (besides old anglo/ French/ indigenous tensions) have been a lot more intense in countries like the UK, France, and the US.  So whatever happens there (good or bad) hopefully we'll be able to learn those lessons and course correct if necessary before they get as bad here as whatever happens there.

I think what we need in Canada is a stronger focus on national identity to foster unity where everyone feels like they're on the same team.  Putting most of the focus on how we're all different will also deepen tribalism.

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

Birth control, abortion, divorce rights, immigration etc all have their place in society, but progressives rarely if ever have frank discussions on when they might go too far and the negatives that may result. In fact it makes them feel threatened, plus they don't want to give any wind to conservatives who oppose them.

I like a lot of this. 

To me, practical people of the left and right need to start leading versus following. Especially in Canada, where to my my experience most people are practical about our prospects. 

Social issues like birth control, abortion, divorce haven't changed much I don't think. So I don't expect those areas to be in the arena of discussion of policy. 

Immigration though, is now an open question. I agree that progressives aren't talking about it enough.

[Nationalist]

Canastan needs to close the border, remove all the illegals and "students", enforce the laws and deregulated to allow businesses to thrive.

With an economy that is thriving, people will naturally begin having larger families.

But I have little to no hope these course corrections will happen.

Such a waste...

[Barquentine]

23 hours ago, I am Groot said:

everyday interactions we have in the course of our days are now frequently with people who are not like us.

Just one lengthy screed to justify racism. I feel sorry for you. You're so afraid of  "people who are not like us."

Yesterday in the course of business I dealt with Anglo-Saxons, Chinese, Indian, Arabic, Black... a very diverse lot. And they were all friendly and easy to deal with.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the problem is just in your outlook?

[paxamericana]

 

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Immigration though, is now an open question. I agree that progressives aren't talking about it enough.

Remember, importing people only shift the demographic timeline, it doesn't actually solve the underlying cause of an aging society, which is sub replacement birth rate. Last I checked the entire world is aging with declining birth rate; With only one notable exception, Israel who appears to have a stabilized birth rate above replacement.

Edited 7 hours ago by paxamericana

[Nationalist]

59 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Just one lengthy screed to justify racism. I feel sorry for you. You're so afraid of  "people who are not like us."

Yesterday in the course of business I dealt with Anglo-Saxons, Chinese, Indian, Arabic, Black... a very diverse lot. And they were all friendly and easy to deal with.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the problem is just in your outlook?

If I may...no.

Just ask Tim Hortons.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

And so the right tends to be sophisticated and realistic and assess things as they are? What makes the right wings concern for the future any more apparent than the left's when the right spends all its time pining away for the past?

A discussion along these lines first needs to acknowledge there are real differences between four separate things 1. the left wing, 2. the right wing, 3. conservatives and 4. progressives.

The first two are about the seating arrangement of the French Assembly in the 1700's.

Whether you're a progressive or a conservative has nothing to do with anything.

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I like a lot of this. 

To me, practical people of the left and right need to start leading versus following. Especially in Canada, where to my my experience most people are practical about our prospects. 

Social issues like birth control, abortion, divorce haven't changed much I don't think. So I don't expect those areas to be in the arena of discussion of policy. 

Immigration though, is now an open question. I agree that progressives aren't talking about it enough.

Practical progressives started addressing the question of overpopulation decades ago by saying we need fewer people.  Practical conservatives said we need more people.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You decry "no evidence" then proceed with anecdotal evidence and shadowy leagues of "elites".

You are disingenuously conflating two separate statements. There IS no evidence that all this immigration has helped Canada, or for that matter, Europe AT ALL. Now, if you wish to rebut that, perhaps you would find it easy to demonstrate my error. And I don't mean with the plethora of quaint ethnic restaurants you enjoy.

The statistics on economic achievement by immigrants/migrants are fairly clear that they make less than Canadians, have lower employment, and higher use of social welfare. That two-thirds of the people in public housing and emergency shelters are foreign-born ought to be a clue. You never pause a moment to wonder why every single person on the Toronto Police Most Wanted list, murderers all, are non-white? You never even noticed? ALL of them!?

Maybe, like Carney, it's a matter of perspective. Carney gaily refers to us as a 'mosaic' and says how wonderful that is. But Carney's familiarity with foreigners is generally limited to those who went to Oxford and Yale, and drive around in limousines. I doubt he's ever come into contact with the ordinary grubby 3rd world type who spouts hatred of Jews and Americans with equal certainty while never having met anyone from either group. I doubt he's met the people from the 'mosaics' of Africa who have nothing but suspicion and dislike for the other tribes and ethnic groups within the western borders that now constitute their country. And as I recall, the foreign people you have most acquaintance with are IT people.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

The usual racist bullshit post.

Racists are people to whom everything is seen through the prism of race. I.e., you.

22 hours ago, herbie said:

I've seen no evidence of 'foreigners' flooding us. 

That our largest cities are now majority foreign-born is plenty of evidence of foreigners flooding us, you lying twat.

22 hours ago, herbie said:

Perhaps it's the anti-immigrant fascists who've stalled the economy, cost thousands of educational layoffs and crippled universities ad schools of their funding that should go somewhere else.

Wow. Talk about the brainwashed. Whatever the Liberals tell you is what you believe. That our standard of living has been deteriorating for a decade is nothing to you. The latest news from your party boss is that it's all the fault of people wanting to cut back on the number of illiterate African goat herders and ass-in-the-air Muslim jihadists coming in.

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

The right has been beating society over the head with their conviction commies have taken over for much longer.

Only in your imaginary world. Oh, I'm sure those on the farther edges of the right do, due to the ever-growing tendency of governments to take more and more taxes from us to redistribute to those who don't do any work or produce anything. But Socialist vote-buying isn't communism. Meanwhile, the entirety of the Left is obsessed with flooding every country in the West with migrants, many of them Muslims who make no secret of their goals.

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

But above all else and at the heart of right wing grievance politics...too much leftism.

You mean ever larger government taking ever larger shares of the money we earn and pushing itself into every aspect of our lives and everything we can think, write, read, do, or say? Yes. That is indeed something we are agrieved by.

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

So fùckin' do something about it already or stfu.

That's difficult given the fear of the Left to make the necessary changes, adn the way they cling to ideas and policies that have never worked and will never work. Plus, of course, all those immigrants voting for whatever party promises to keep the borders open and the welfare flowing.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The good news for Canada is that conflict over multicultural schisms (besides old anglo/ French/ indigenous tensions) have been a lot more intense in countries like the UK, France, and the US.  So whatever happens there (good or bad) hopefully we'll be able to learn those lessons and course correct if necessary before they get as bad here as whatever happens there.

We won't. Carney looks at the riots going on in the UK, Ireland and France says "Yeah! We want some of that stuff! Let me imitate everything the UK has been doing! Which is basically what he's doing. You know all these censorious laws he's putting in place to stop people from talking about failed immigration and hostile migrants have been in place in the UK, Ireland, and France for years, right?

The government, this one, not the Trudeau one, continues to pour in low-grade, low-skilled immigrants from the 3rd world as fast as it can get away with. 42% of even the 'economic' class is now reserved for mostly low-skilled Muslims from North Africa they deliberately recruited.

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think what we need in Canada is a stronger focus on national identity to foster unity where everyone feels like they're on the same team.  Putting most of the focus on how we're all different will also deepen tribalism.

I agree. Unfortunately, the government does not, nor does our school system nor our media. Canada is a genocidal country of racist colonialists on stolen land. They have no intention of changing that. Every new policy Carney announces is hyped for how it helps this or that group of immigrants, Muslims, or brown people.

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

Birth control, abortion, divorce rights, immigration etc all have their place in society, but progressives rarely if ever have frank discussions on when they might go too far and the negatives that may result. In fact it makes them feel threatened, plus they don't want to give any wind to conservatives who oppose them.

They don't tolerate discussion. If you don't share their views on those subjects, you're evil and the only thing left to do is denounce you and cancel you. If you watch any of the demonstrations held by the jihadist set and their eager leftist helpers you'll notice that none of them have the slightest interest in discussion. If anyone tries they gather around, chanting curses and insults at them.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Just one lengthy screed to justify racism.

And this is the cliche of the Left. Any complaint about immigration = racism. Racism = evil. You don't talk with evil people; you simply denounce them.  You'll notice this 'tard made no effort to do more than that. Because he's not capable of it.

 

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

 

Remember, importing people only shift the demographic timeline, it doesn't actually solve the underlying cause of an aging society, which is sub replacement birth rate. Last I checked the entire world is aging with declining birth rate; With only one notable exception, Israel who appears to have a stabilized birth rate above replacement.

Every demographer and every economist has said for decades that you can't address a declining birthrate with immigration. Yet every single time the government speaks, it justifies its mass immigration with the need to address a declining birthrate.

[I am Groot]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Practical progressives started addressing the question of overpopulation decades ago by saying we need fewer people.  Practical conservatives said we need more people.

LOL. That's because your 'practical' progressives decided the answer was for the West, which makes up about 10% of the population, to have fewer babies, while the 3rd world is pumping them out by the billion. About six million babies will be born in Europe this year and 50 million in Africa.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Just one lengthy screed to justify racism. I feel sorry for you. You're so afraid of  "people who are not like us."

Yesterday in the course of business I dealt with Anglo-Saxons, Chinese, Indian, Arabic, Black... a very diverse lot. And they were all friendly and easy to deal with.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the problem is just in your outlook?

Did you ever stop to think that allowing a deluge of "refugees" and "students" from anywhere all at once, would necessarily cause social and economic issues?

No, eh?

Shallow you.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Racists are people to whom everything is seen through the prism of race. I.e., you.

No you stubborn neo-fascist they are like you, that know they are racist bigots and pretend it's okay to be one by redefining words to mean something else.

IOW you're the racist for pointing out my bigotry, the same bloody response ya'll like to hide behind.I won't apologize for constantly pulling away the rocks you like to hide under.

Canada's being invaded by foreigners, my ass. Chickenshit bigots are scared of new Canadian.