The forever war in Iran is over in under 90 days

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Oh you are wrong there my friend. It will accomplish a lot of things.

Peace and stability to the world and the region.

Economic stability and lower price of oil.

End of threat of political Islam (Political Islam is a serious danger to Western democracy and the West but few are aware of this danger in the West, unless you lived there for at least a few years)

Significant expansion in trade with free Iran.

I agree with all of that, but there's a Christian saying that goes "God helps those who help themselves."

I'm not saying Trump is God, at all, but what that saying means is that until a person starts taking action themselves, it's not possible for anything to happen. The universe doesn't just give people things. If the Iranian people struck while the iron was hot, maybe a lot could have been accomplished. But Trump and Israel went all-in, and the Iranian people didn't take their country back. 

 

You gotta admit that when the Iranian people rose up, Trump squashed the IRGC to a very large extent. It's impossible to say that he didn't do that. The ayatollah is still in hiding. 

 

I'm cheering for the people of Iran, I just don't see them doing anything. 

[John Stone]

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Wrong. They want a destroyed terrorist regime but a destroyed nation. Something that the nation of Iran wants too. No peace with terrorists. Trump is a coward idi*t. They will never live up to what they sign. What an idi*t.

............. suppose it must be said that the 'I-Ah-Told-Ya's) don't have a lot of trust in Trump either ............. to be accurate, the World doesn't have any trust in Trump .............  mis-trust of the U.S.. will linger for generations. 

They say, that it is better to be 'feared than respected'? 

What happens if a country doesn't possess either? 

 

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm cheering for the people of Iran, I just don't see them doing anything.

Yup. I know this is complicated by the fact that they'll get shot for rebelling but, the Iranian people were given a chance...and balked.

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yup. I know this is complicated by the fact that they'll get shot for rebelling but, the Iranian people were given a chance...and balked.

And honestly, the IRGC propaganda war was aided by the fact that Iranian people didn't fight alongside America, against the regime.

Some people waved flags in foreign countries, but they did so while believing that America would flip the gov't for them, with no effort of their own. 

Now it appears that they're gonna be stuck in an islamic shithole for several more generations, if not forever.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

And honestly, the IRGC propaganda war was aided by the fact that Iranian people didn't fight alongside America, against the regime.

Some people waved flags in foreign countries, but they did so while believing that America would flip the gov't for them, with no effort of their own. 

Now it appears that they're gonna be stuck in an islamic shithole for several more generations, if not forever.

Unfortunately...

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I get it, but theoretically they outnumber the IRGC ten to one.

Trump was busy looking for IRGC targets to kill. A bit of help woulda been nice.

Why didn't Iranians just take over gov't buildings, etc? Kill IRGC members?

Trump was actively looking for those people so he could kill them. 

Yes lol, may be twenty to one. The one having a machine gun ready to open fire on the 20 and the twenty with fists in the air shouting death to Islamic Republic.

Understand this important point. They have no arms. They were unarmed civilians untrained for combat, mostly women as women suffer the most under these subhuman Islamic bastards. That was why I was asking Trump if he doesn't have the balls to land ground forces as Bush did in Iraq then armed the people of Iran to do the job for the world.

They tried and were shot dead. Many outside the TV station. And more were shot dead when they tried to set fire to hated mosques (used by regime for interrogation, torture and rape) and Basij centers.

Not sure, rumor has it that he stopped Israelis from killing many including the supreme Ape Ayatollah in the first 12 day war.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And honestly, the IRGC propaganda war was aided by the fact that Iranian people didn't fight alongside America, against the regime.

"America" wasn't on the ground and Iran civilians had no jets so "alongside America" was impossible.

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I agree with all of that, but there's a Christian saying that goes "God helps those who help themselves."

I'm not saying Trump is God, at all, but what that saying means is that until a person starts taking action themselves, it's not possible for anything to happen. The universe doesn't just give people things. If the Iranian people struck while the iron was hot, maybe a lot could have been accomplished. But Trump and Israel went all-in, and the Iranian people didn't take their country back. 

 

You gotta admit that when the Iranian people rose up, Trump squashed the IRGC to a very large extent. It's impossible to say that he didn't do that. The ayatollah is still in hiding. 

 

I'm cheering for the people of Iran, I just don't see them doing anything. 

To take their country back with what. With fists or knives against the heavily armed murderous security forces? It is not only IRGC but Basij is much worse. They killed people violently with hammer smashed their brains most of the victims were women, then raped their dead bodies or arrested them and later raped them in mosques and later push them off high rise building. All  deliberate actions to create fear and terror among population so that they don't dare to rise up more. To suppress the uprising they used the most brutal tactics to terrorize and convey the message to those who don't fear death, we will do much worse to you.

Trump did not smash IRGC. All his claims of 90% destroying Iran's military are all lies. Iran's IRGC is intact and so is Iran's military. US or Trump achieved nothing. The only good outcome was achieved by Israelis and the killing of supreme ape and two dozen of his commanders the first day and if Trump knew beforehand he would have stopped the Israelis like he did the first time last year.

Only ground invasion or heavily arm Iranian people.

Edited May 26 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yup. I know this is complicated by the fact that they'll get shot for rebelling but, the Iranian people were given a chance...and balked.

They had no chance. They imported heavy armed Arabs who traditionally hate Persian to shoot on spot if people came out. At nights armed gangs patrolling the streets shouting that they will kill anyone who comes out. While the nation was under bombardments, asking them to come out and face armed thugs is just too much to expect.

Arm the nation or find the balls with ground invasion. Islamic Republic is the most serious threat to the world since Nazi Germany.

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes lol, may be twenty to one. The one having a machine gun ready to open fire on the 20 and the twenty with fists in the air shouting death to Islamic Republic.

Understand this important point. They have no arms. They were unarmed civilians untrained for combat, mostly women as women suffer the most under these subhuman Islamic bastards. That was why I was asking Trump if he doesn't have the balls to land ground forces as Bush did in Iraq then armed the people of Iran to do the job for the world.

They tried and were shot dead. Many outside the TV station. And more were shot dead when they tried to set fire to hated mosques (used by regime for interrogation, torture and rape) and Basij centers.

Not sure, rumor has it that he stopped Israelis from killing many including the supreme Ape Ayatollah in the first 12 day war.

I agree with you 100% about everything.

My heart goes out to the millions and millions of beautiful Persians that are trapped under islamic rule, grovelling to worthless, merciless IRGC swine.

But from Trump's POV, you can see that the Demonrat cult in America is directly opposed to the killing of the ayatollah and his thugs, and eliminating Iran's nuclear threat. 

They act like 6 dead US soldiers is an apocalypse.

One stray missile, out of about 10,000, hit a school, and Democrats congressmen and Senators, MSM personalities and high-profile Demi cult-handlers are accusing him of doing it intentionally.  

The Dems are firmly on the side of the IRGC and Hamas right now. 

CNN is basically just translating Al Jazeera propaganda and printing it. 

Trump's war to get the truth to Americans is a losing battle. If he tried to accomplish anything more in Iran, it would mean Democrat rule in the US for the next 40 years, at which point, it would be like East-Iran.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And honestly, the IRGC propaganda war was aided by the fact that Iranian people didn't fight alongside America, against the regime.

Some people waved flags in foreign countries, but they did so while believing that America would flip the gov't for them, with no effort of their own. 

Now it appears that they're gonna be stuck in an islamic shithole for several more generations, if not forever.

Americans were up in the air and never dared to step foot on Iranian soil so how could Iranians fight alongside the Americans!!!

Iran will be freed from these subhuman barbaric Islamic bastards. A majority of Iranians are dead against religion and state mix and the struggle will continue.  Less than 30% of Iranians are practicing muslims. It was 90% in 1979 and it will be zero in 2050.

Edited May 26 by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

To take their country back with what. With fists or knives against the heavily armed murderous security forces?

That's why the US has a 2nd amendment.

It seems like they'd be useless against tanks and fighter planes, which they are, but they're still excellent against oppressors.

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It is not only IRGC but Basij is much worse. They killed people violently with hammer smashed their brains most of the victims were women, then raped their dead bodies or arrested them and later raped them in mosques and later push them off high rise building.

Yet people like @eyeball, @cougar, @Gaétan, Omar, Tlaib, Jeffries, CNN are 100% on their side. Mamdani's wife would click "Like" on videos of that shit. 

You have enemies over here in NA who want to see the IRGC remain in power, and it's not Trump or the GOP. 

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Trump did not smash IRGC. All his claims of 90% destroying Iran's military are all lies. Iran's IRGC is intact and so is Iran's military. US or Trump achieved nothing. The only good outcome was achieved by Israelis and the killing of supreme ape and two dozen of his commanders the first day and if Trump knew beforehand he would have stopped the Israelis like he did the first time last year.

 

1) Israel couldn't have achieved any of this without the US electronic warfare capabilities

2) The US dropped thousands of bombs, and they didn't hit "nothing". Get real. 

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Only ground invasion or heavily arm Iranian people.

Read about The Bay of Pigs... This has been tried many times. 

A power vacuum in the ME always seems to be filled by the most evil people in the region. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Americans were up in the air and never dared to step foot on Iranian soil so how could Iranians fight alongside the Americans!!!

The point was for Iranians to see the IRGC in hiding, and for the people to rise up while American air superiority could help. 

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Iran will be freed from these subhuman barbaric Islamic bastards. A majority of Iranians are dead against religion and state mix and the struggle will continue.  Less than 30% of Iranians are practicing muslims. It was 90% in 1979 and it will be zero in 2050.

Hopefully you are correct.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I agree with you 100% about everything.

My heart goes out to the millions and millions of beautiful Persians that are trapped under islamic rule, grovelling to worthless, merciless IRGC swine.

But from Trump's POV, you can see that the Demonrat cult in America is directly opposed to the killing of the ayatollah and his thugs, and eliminating Iran's nuclear threat. 

They act like 6 dead US soldiers is an apocalypse.

One stray missile, out of about 10,000, hit a school, and Democrats congressmen and Senators, MSM personalities and high-profile Demi cult-handlers are accusing him of doing it intentionally.  

The Dems are firmly on the side of the IRGC and Hamas right now. 

CNN is basically just translating Al Jazeera propaganda and printing it. 

Trump's war to get the truth to Americans is a losing battle. If he tried to accomplish anything more in Iran, it would mean Democrat rule in the US for the next 40 years, at which point, it would be like East-Iran.

You are so ignorant you don't understand that Obama's JCPOA contained an agreement by Iran that they would NOT develop nuclear weapons. So Trump destroyed an agreement he is now fighting to reinstate. LMAO

[BeaverFever]

Why Trump keeps getting rolled in

negotiations
 

Donald Trump’s reputation as a dealmaker has always been exaggerated, and his attempts to end the conflict in the Middle East show why he’s vulnerable to being outsmarted by opponents.

 

 

Donald Trump’s reputation and political career were built on his dealmaking prowess, yet the president keeps demonstrating that he is a terrible negotiator.

Repeatedly over the past nine years, Trump has gotten rolled by counterparts during high-stakes exchanges. North Korea, Russia, Russia again, China, and China again have gotten the better of the United States. Trump has had to slink back to Washington without much to show except empty talk about friendship with whatever dictator has just run circles around him. He’s had some success in brokering agreements when acting as a third party (though not nearly as much as he pretends) but much less luck when his own government is a participant. The one glaring exception came when he was effectively negotiating with himself, getting his own administration to set up a $1.8 billion slush fund for his political allies.

The newest example of Trump’s artlessness is Iran. Let’s review the past few days: Trump postedon Saturday that he was close to striking a deal with Tehran that would end the war he started earlier this year and reopen the Strait of Hormuz. As the outlines of the agreement began to emerge, it looked both incomplete and bad: Trump had postponed discussing the hardest issues—matters, such as nuclear weapons, that led him to go to war—in exchange for opening the strait, which was open before Trump started the war. Hawkish Trump allies promptly criticized the deal, and despite histrionic pushback from Trump aides, the president had begun backing off claims of an imminent agreement by Sunday. “If I make a deal with Iran, it will be a good and proper one, not like the one made by Obama,” he posted. “Our deal is the exact opposite, but nobody has seen it, or knows what it is. It isn’t even fully negotiated yet.” Yesterday, in a sign that a deal might not be near at all, the U.S. military conducted what it called “self-defense strikes” against Iranian targets—directly contradicting the administration’s previous claims about having wiped out any threats to the United States in Iran.

The situation demonstrates a few reasons that Trump is such a bad negotiator. My colleagues Tom Nichols and Robert Kaganhave all written illuminating articles on the specific failures inherent or likely in any deal with Iran. But the incident also shows the structural problems with the president’s approach.

First, Trump is unprepared. Some effective presidents …came to the White House with a history of deep engagement in public affairs and foreign relations, which made them ready to handle sensitive foreign negotiations. Others brought a formidable work ethic and a ruthless intellect... Both types surround themselves with smart advisers whose input they take seriously. Trump is 0 for 3 on these conditions, which is one reason he wrote off the risk of Iran closing the strait in the first place: He both surrounds himself with less qualified aides than past presidents did and refuses to heed their counsel. The same failure of preparation extends to the frontline negotiators. Even after many of its top officials were killed in the war, Iran has maintained a hard-nosed corps of diplomats who have long been involved in foreign policy. Trump, by contrast, has dispatched a real-estate pal and his nepo-baby son-in-law. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, perhaps the best informed of Trump’s aides, has been largely invisible.

Second, as the roller-coaster weekend demonstrates, Trump is mercurial. Keeping one’s bottom line ambiguous in a negotiation is canny, but Trump doesn’t appear to have any bottom line in his own mind. He has cycled through different rationales for the war, including regime change and stopping Iran’s nuclear program, but hasn’t landed on one. Lacking a goal in the war means he also lacks a goal in the peace talks. Iran may be able to use that to its advantage, but even if its leaders are eager to make a deal, they will be understandably reluctant to agree to anything that requires a leap of faith, because Trump may change his mind at any moment, as appeared to happen amid Republican backlash in recent days.

Third, Trump is desperate for a deal, and everyone knows it. His misjudgments have led him to corporate bankruptcies and cheap sales in business, and he’s in a similar situation now. Every conflict between an autocracy and a democracy (however fragile this one may be) is asymmetric: Trump has to be concerned about public opinion, whereas Iran’s leaders have shown not only that they are indifferent to the suffering of their people; they are willing to massacre them by the thousands. But as the war drags on with no positive resolution in sight, and the U.S. economy looks shakier, Trump has become visibly more frantic to reach a peace agreement. (The president also seemed eager to have something to show for his weekend, because he skipped his eldest son’s wedding, ostensibly to work.) Iran, sensing Trump’s need for a deal, has maintained a hard line.

All of these factors combine to mean that Trump is ill-equipped to win any negotiation, much less one that is the result of his own blundering into war. Trump is likely to muddle through, as he has so many times in his career, and reach some sort of agreement with Iran. He will surely say that it’s a great triumph, but reality will be harder to ignore than it was when Trump’s failures merely hurt his own bank accounts.

One of the ironies of The Art of the Deal, the book that made Trump’s reputation as a clever businessman, is that Trump himself didn’t write it. His ghostwriter, Tony Schwartz, has said that he cobbled the volume together after sitting at Trump’s elbow while he conducted his daily business. Unfortunately, it’s probably too late for Trump to hire a real professional to handle negotiations with Iran.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/05/iran-deal-trump-terrible-negotiator/687320/

[gatomontes99]

Iranians get back online, to some extent Authorities cut off internet access during massive demonstrations in January and imposed a complete internet blackout after the U.S. and Israel attacked on Feb. 28.

This is a good sign that Iran is done. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Iranians get back online, to some extent Authorities cut off internet access during massive demonstrations in January and imposed a complete internet blackout after the U.S. and Israel attacked on Feb. 28.

This is a good sign that Iran is done. 

It's a much stronger sign that they're no longer worried about the war.

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's a much stronger sign that they're no longer worried about the war.

They turned it off to supress their own people during a rebellion. They turned it back on to help get the deal through and end the war they decidedly lost. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 5/26/2026 at 4:22 PM, WestCanMan said:

The point was for Iranians to see the IRGC in hiding, and for the people to rise up while American air superiority could help. 

Hopefully you are correct.

No you don't understand. The suppression task of the people is not an IRGC task. There is a separate oppressive force called the Basig. The paramilitary murderous force are brainwashed to kill without question in the most violent way. They are estimated between 2 to 4 million well paid mercenaries.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 5/26/2026 at 4:20 PM, WestCanMan said:

 

 

2) The US dropped thousands of bombs, and they didn't hit "nothing". Get real. 

 

The US dropped millions of bombs on Vietnam too. The enemy got stronger with every bomb and won the war. Vietnam army remained intact. Only ground invasion or fully armed the people of Iran to liberate their country and free the world.

[CITIZEN_2015]

The US lost the war. Americans complains for having to pay a dollar more and Trump worried about his mid term elections. So both ignored the real serious long term threat Islamic regime and political Islam pose to the whole world.

Americans are dumb and ignorant especially when it comes to politics and danger of Islam. All they care about is the short term not long term and how much they have to pay for gas. Their children will live to pay a very high price. Europe and North America will be occupied by political Islam. freedom gone and terrorists live among us. Murder and rape will be on rise. Alcohol illegal, our way of life a thing of the past. All because Americans wanted the $2 or $3 gas prices instead of $4. Idi*ts

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The US lost the war. Americans complains for having to pay a dollar more and Trump worried about his mid term elections. So both ignored the real serious long term threat Islamic regime and political Islam pose to the whole world.

Americans are dumb and ignorant especially when it comes to politics and danger of Islam. All they care about is the short term not long term and how much they have to pay for gas. Their children will live to pay a very high price. Europe and North America will be occupied by political Islam. freedom gone and terrorists live among us. Murder and rape will be on rise. Alcohol illegal, our way of life a thing of the past. All because Americans wanted the $2 or $3 gas prices instead of $4. Idi*ts

^NOTHING but FEAR MONGERING.

[WestCanMan]

Right now the Israelis are sending drones to loiter oner Iran and they're dropping bombs on the Basij. I still don't think the Iranians will do anything though. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Right now the Israelis are sending drones to loiter oner Iran and they're dropping bombs on the Basij. I still don't think the Iranians will do anything though. 

You are 90 days behind time lol.

On 5/29/2026 at 12:58 PM, robosmith said:

^NOTHING but FEAR MONGERING.

It is a fact. It is happening in Europe right now. We must not allow it here.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 5/29/2026 at 12:58 PM, robosmith said:

^NOTHING but FEAR MONGERING.

If you think that this regime will live up to any agreement that they sign then you are a bigger fool than I thought.