Alberta, where Canada’s doom will be decided

[paxamericana]

See it’s not just the Albertan that will be affected. All of Canada would quickly dissolve as a coherent nation should Alberta leave. Access to eastern Canada would cease for BC, and Ontario would become destitute having to pay for Quebec all on its own. It’s no longer a matter of if but when your doom will be decided Canucks. America will be patiently awaiting your return to the fold. Best you learn to speak American!

Edited May 5 by paxamericana

[herbie]

Dream on, buddy.

[paxamericana]

Just now, herbie said:

Dream on, buddy.

Wr’ll be neighbors soon enough 51ster

[herbie]

We are neighbours.

Unfortunately you're not a very good one lately.

[John Stone]

.............  a positive move might be for the P.M. to name an  American as the next Gov Gen. 😁

 

Alberta is a red herring ........ brilliant move by the beotch Premier ........ demands Fed respect. 

 

 

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[paxamericana]

25 minutes ago, John Stone said:

.............  a positive move might be for the P.M. to name an  American as the next Gov Gen. 😁

 

Alberta is a red herring ........ brilliant move by the beotch Premier ........ demands Fed respect. 

 

 

Well if it works, Trump would have managed an impressive feat, conquering Canada with mean tweets.

[Nefarious Banana]

Canada as it is now is an un-workable dream.  Quebec never wanted to be a part of Canada and their parasitic presence combined with Ontario's penchant for Quebec ass-kissing has ruined the country.  'Canada West' (four western provinces) would be a viable country with all the fuel, food, and western enthusiasm to make it happen.  Eastern deepwater seaport at Churchill for access to European markets, and the west coast seaports for Asian markets.  Heavy tarrifs on China/Asian containers destined for Ontario/Quebec east destinations, and once Donnie Demento is gone, back to business with our American neighbors.

Alberta is doomed going it alone on separation.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Canada as it is now is an un-workable dream. 

Agreed.

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Canada West' (four western provinces) would be a viable country with all the fuel, food, and western enthusiasm to make it happen.  Eastern deepwater seaport at Churchill for access to European markets, and the west coast seaports for Asian markets.  Heavy tarrifs on China/Asian containers destined for Ontario/Quebec east destinations, and once Donnie Demento is gone, back to business with our American neighbors.

Or you could just be Americans like your ancestors. You do know ranchers from Texas and Oklahoma settled the prairie provinces yeah? Why do you think the culture are so similar let alone blood ties.

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Alberta is doomed going it alone on separation.

Unless they become 51st. Then they would be the wealthiest state in all of North America. The math points one way, and it’s back to Uncle Sam.

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[John Stone]

29 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Agreed.

Or you could just be Americans like your ancestors. You do know ranchers from Texas and Oklahoma settled the prairie provinces yeah? Why do you think the culture are so similar let alone blood ties.

Unless they become 51st. Then they would be the wealthiest state in all of North America. The math points one way, and it’s back to Uncle Sam.

haha ............ Americans did not settle the prairie provinces - Rupert's Land - they were too busy killing indigenous 😄

Nah, the  first so-called settlers were the Metis (squatters) - when the CPR went thru they caused some problems (Red River Rebellion / Northwest Rebellion). 

The Metis with the biggest dick was likely Louis Riel - feds hanged him - now he's revered. go figure. 

B.C. was the Province most coveted - largely populated by Americans. The gold rush had a lot to do with that. 

Brits negotiated the pan handle, despite Kanada supposedly becoming a Nation in 1867............. Trudeau fixed that up with the patriation and then,  most Canadians would agree, fk'd things up with the Notwithstanding Clause - provided Canadians with an ersatz document. 

[paxamericana]

10 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Americans did not settle the prairie provinces

Yeah we did. You wanted to clear the squatters uh I mean indigenous. https://www.historymuseum.ca/teachers-zone/early-black-communities/the-oklahoma-migration/

Alberta becoming a state? Well we’re a full circle aren’t we.

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[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yeah we did. You wanted to clear the squatters uh I mean indigenous. https://www.historymuseum.ca/teachers-zone/early-black-communities/the-oklahoma-migration/

Alberta becoming a state? Well we’re a full circle aren’t we.

.........all grist for the mill - yeah, they wuz black - escaping racism ....... they established some fairly large communities in northern Saskatchewan and Alberta

A few thousand Mormons made the trek as well to escape persecution. 

However, the immigration in earnest began with the completion of the railway (CPR) - 1885. Hundreds of thousand Europeans (no slants - they were handy building the railway tho) made the journey - the CPR needed them to make a viable business supplying their farms. 

If not for the CPR, there is little doubt Manifest Destiny would have prevailed. 😁

However, the Superpower of the day was riding herd (BNA) ..........  despite Kanada being a Nation.  😧

[Nefarious Banana]

Alexander Mackenzie to the west coast of what would become Canada  1793 . . . 

Late comers Lewis & Clark made the trip across in easier travelling terrain a dozen years later in 1805 . . . 

[paxamericana]

23 hours ago, John Stone said:

Canadians

Sudetenlanders is the new term I’m coining. 

[Nefarious Banana]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Sudetenlanders is the new term I’m coining. 

Donny Demento . . . soon to be a bad memory for sane Americans

[Queenmandy85]

I'm not sure how these geniuses think they will be acble to move the oil. BC would have no incentive to take all the risks. The pipeling to the states runs through Saskatchewan. 

Do these clowns really think that loyal Canadians would just roll over and see the country destroyed?

And for what? What grievenses would be satisfied by separation? The worst case scenario is that the Americans would move in and steal everything of value. Albertans will lose everthing of value.

[Canadaisintrouble]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I'm not sure how these geniuses think they will be acble to move the oil. BC would have no incentive to take all the risks. The pipeling to the states runs through Saskatchewan. 

Do these clowns really think that loyal Canadians would just roll over and see the country destroyed?

And for what? What grievenses would be satisfied by separation? The worst case scenario is that the Americans would move in and steal everything of value. Albertans will lose everthing of value.

Those geniuses have already planned to go around BC by going south. Keep insulting and painting Albertans as the bad guys. You and your king are about to get what you deserve.  Loyal Canadians... Do you mean Liberal sheep? Folks out East don't even know how many genders are out there. Once Alberta leaves, Saskatchewan will quickly follow!

[Queenmandy85]

5 hours ago, Canadaisintrouble said:

Keep insulting and painting Albertans as the bad guys. You and your king are about to get what you deserve. 

Albertans and Alberta are great. The problem is a segment who have not looked at the real ramifications of their goal. It is all just an academic exercise anyway. 

[August1991]

On 5/4/2026 at 9:07 PM, paxamericana said:

See it’s not just the Albertan that will be affected. All of Canada would quickly dissolve as a coherent nation should Alberta leave.

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Canada? As I have often thought, if Canada joined the US, Toronto would just be another Detroit.

But Vancouver, Calgary/Edmonton would be different

Montreal? The Big Easy North. 

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I'm not sure how these geniuses think they will be acble to move the oil. BC would have no incentive to take all the risks. The pipeling to the states runs through Saskatchewan. 

Do these clowns really think that loyal Canadians would just roll over and see the country destroyed?

And for what? What grievenses would be satisfied by separation? The worst case scenario is that the Americans would move in and steal everything of value. Albertans will lose everthing of value.

This may be true...perhaps. But you forget a crucial ingredient. Trust.

Alberta has no reason to trust Ottawa.

So to them its a question of who can they trust? Those who may or may not screw them? Or those who have a long history of screwing them?

Ponder this over coffee provided by Ottawa's beautiful immigrants.

Edited May 7 by Nationalist

[paxamericana]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

if Canada joined the US

I don’t even know why you Canucks bother, Canada was a ploy to slow down American hegemony. It was destined to fail. America is not a land power or an island power, it’s much more powerful,  a continental sized island naval super power. The first in history. That is why we are destined to rule the world. Why you Canuck choose to resist manifest destiny is beyond comprehension. And as far as I can tell you all are just wasting time and money resisting. North America is inevitable.

Edited May 7 by paxamericana

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Canada? As I have often thought, if Canada joined the US, Toronto would just be another Detroit.

But Vancouver, Calgary/Edmonton would be different

Montreal? The Big Easy North. 

Toronto is already a shithole. A crime ridden, haven for Ottawa's beautiful "newcomers".

Quebec is not going to live peacefully as Americans. They can't even be content being Canadians.

The US wants nothing to do with Les Quebecois, nor do they want Toronto or Ottawa. Manitoba to the West coast is the goal...if there is even a realistic desire to take part of Canada...which I sort o' doubt. 

Alberta and Saskatchewan are the golden goose. I hope the people of those 2 provinces realize that they have Ottawa over a barrel.

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Alberta and Saskatchewan are the golden goose. I hope the people of those 2 provinces realize that they have Ottawa over a barrel.

We've had Ottawa over a barrel for decades and they've ignored us.

Prairie separation is no longer about leveraging a better deal with Ottawa.  Those days are over, Ottawa has refused.  We get it.

It's about not going down with the Titanic at this point.

We also don't care that anyone calls us "traitors" for getting into the lifeboats.  Not one f*cking bit.

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We've had Ottawa over a barrel for decades and they've ignored us.

Prairie separation is no longer about leveraging a better deal with Ottawa.  Those days are over, Ottawa has refused.  We get it.

It's about not going down with the Titanic at this point.

We also don't care that anyone calls us "traitors" for getting into the lifeboats.  Not one f*cking bit.

Well...I cant say I blame you.

[WestCanMan]

I saw a poll (3,000 ppl) that said 66% of conservative voters are separatists now. 

• Poll Findings: A May 2026 "Act for Alberta" poll showed that 51% of federal Conservative supporters in Alberta "strongly support" independence, with another 15% saying they "somewhat support" it.

Note that's "federal" conservatives, not just Alberta conservatives.

I'm not sure what to make of "somewhat support", but the number of separatists is always growing.

Edited May 7 by WestCanMan

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I saw a poll (3,000 ppl) that said 66% of conservative voters are separatists now. 

• Poll Findings: A May 2026 "Act for Alberta" poll showed that 51% of federal Conservative supporters in Alberta "strongly support" independence, with another 15% saying they "somewhat support" it.

Note that's "federal" conservatives, not just Alberta conservatives.

I'm not sure what to make of "somewhat support", but the number of separatists is always growing.

Which 'polls' do both of those numbers come from?  

And how can 66% of conservatives be a separatist now?  If they're paying taxes or receiving social program benefits they're certainly not separatists.   

'Somewhat support' probably means they'd like to send Ottawa a message, but likely wouldn't when they thought through the implications.

It's going nowhere except to let the complainers have their voice.