Alberta Separatist group ordered to remove voter database from website” Excerpt From “Separatist group ordered to remove Alberta voter database from website

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There's nothing false about that!  How is that a false equivalency in the slightest? We had tons of partisan actors openly promoting and even meeting with americans and doing interviews on there talk shows and such, it's exactly the same thing  

To me precisely how it's different. Trump even made the accusation recently that rob ford's commercials were interference in the elections that were being held at the state level at that time.

It's interference if the US government gives money to a separatist group or a non separatist group for that matter. The commentary is absolutely common on both sides of the border and always has been and is not a false equivalency in the slightest. You don't get to call something a false equivalency just because it blows your little complaint out of the water

You honestly can’t tell the difference between a random person commenting on the internet and the president of the United States all but endorsing a secessionist movement?  
 

You honestly can’t tell the difference between and add protesting tariffs and a president openly supporting a secessionist movement as a deliberate hostile attempt to destroy Canada?  
 

Canadians gave a legitimate right to protest tariffs against Canada amd take their case to the American people. What is the legitimate purpose of Trump taking offensive action against Canada to promote separatism?

[TreeBeard]

Anti-vax crackpots are behind the Alberta separatist movement.  
 

Why is there so much overlap between conspiracy theory nutjobs and this movement? 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You honestly can’t tell the difference between a random person commenting on the internet and the president of the United States all but endorsing a secessionist movement?  

Oh I love this part! This is the part where you know I'm right and you're going to try and change the argument in the most ridiculous possible fashion so you look less stupid  LOLOL

Nice try kid but you just embarrassing yourself. Many of our elected officials have commented on american elections and met with members of a proposition parties and such and will likely continue to do so.

In no universe is that anything remotely close to election interference and you are absolutely stupid for trying to defend it as such. Grow up, you may not be the smartest person on the board but you're certainly smarter than that.

If a government starts putting money into one of the organizations then that's interference. If they send people to infiltrate those organizations or the like then that's interference. Commentary is not interference and in fact this issue was examined in depth when john Oliver claimed to be flouting a Canadian law which forbids foreign interference by demanding everyone vote for the liberals during an election and demanding that Canada come arrest him. It was explained at the time but this isn't actually what is considered to be interference.

You get these ideas in your head and you defend them to the death even though they are not supportable by the facts and you really need to stop doing that. When you apply yourself you're not a bad thinker and it's disappointing to see you behaving in this fashion. You're not Robo Smith for God's sake

[BeaverFever]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh I love this part! This is the part where you know I'm right and you're going to try and change the argument in the most ridiculous possible fashion so you look less stupid  LOLOL

You mean this the part where your shameless bullshit,  false claims and false equivalencies goes into high gear. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nice try kid but you just embarrassing yourself. Many of our elected officials have commented on american elections and met with members of a proposition parties and such and will likely continue to do so

Like who?  Name one. And the Alberta secessionists are NOT members of an opposition party they are unelected private citizens advocating for the destruction of Canada which Trump met in PRIVATE. Hilarious you would say this is the same as Canadians taking out US ads denouncing  tariffs against Canada. Sitting French President Charles DeGaule was kicked out of Canada for declaring “Vive le Quebec Libre” during a state visit in Montreal.  This is worse than that.  
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If a government starts putting money into one of the organizations then that's interference. If they send people to infiltrate those organizations or the like then that's interference. Commentary is not interference and in fact this issue was examined in depth when john Oliver claimed to be flouting a Canadian law which forbids foreign interference by demanding everyone vote for the liberals during an election and demanding that Canada come arrest him. It was explained at the time but this isn't actually what is considered to be interference.

I am not talking about election interference I am talking about White House officials secretly meeting with Alberta separatists in order to bring about Alberta secession for Trump’s benefit, and publicly endorsing them to boot. 
 

 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

rob ford's commercials

Rob Ford died over 10 years ago, what province do you live in?

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You mean this the part where your shameless bullshit,  false claims and false equivalencies goes into high gear. 

I'm sure that's what you tell yourself when you can't sleep at night thinking about how you got your ass handed to you again  

 

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Like who?  Name one.

Doug ford. He launched an entire ad campaign against Trump during key midterm elections not long ago, p*ssed trump off to no end. 

Wow. That wasn't hard was it. 

Here's a little more for you. 

Canadian politician attacks trump during trump election for president - Google Search

Several Canadian politicians—including former NDP MP Charlie Angus and Prime Minister Mark Carney—have aggressively attacked Donald Trump during his re-election campaign and subsequent presidency

 

Wow, it sure never takes long for you to look stupid during our little talks does it   More sleepless nights for you  

 

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And the Alberta secessionists are NOT members of an opposition party

who cares? Our govt has met with organizations from other countries billions of times.  Hell Harper had the Dalai lama by for a visit and that's all about the separation of Taiwan and China.

Trudeau met with rebel and even terrorist groups as prime minister from other countries. 

"Justin Trudeau has faced multiple high-profile accusations and political controversies over alleged sympathies, meetings, or associations with individuals and groups labeled as terrorists. "

trudeau accused of meeting with terrorist leaders - Google Search

Oopsie, you look stupid again  

 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I am not talking about election interference

You don't know what you're talking about. Your whining and crying about interference when our own government does it all the time and it's no big deal

If they put money in, if they pay for advertising, etc etc then it's interference but meeting with somebody is not interference

Now you look like a 100% twat. Well done

[paxamericana]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Canadians gave a legitimate right to protest tariffs against Canada amd take their case to the American people. What is the legitimate purpose of Trump taking offensive action against Canada to promote separatism?

So you can quit playing pretend this not American identity. Honestly, it’s healthier for you. It’s obviously clear that Canada as a stand alone country was not viable economically, you know what that makes you? A state. Get over it snowflake.

 

Edited May 9 by paxamericana

[TreeBeard]

What are the chances that the separatists used their illegally acquired voter list to fill out the signatures/names on the petition?  I put the odds at 50/50 that the signature list will be thrown out completely.  
 

 

 

During an online meeting with supporters, the Centurion Project organizer Emmott Kelsey told attenders the app would “revolutionize” how campaigns are run. He boasted that the software underpinning it was “so groundbreaking” that it had been presented to Donald Trump’s White House.

“And we’re kind of the guinea pigs with it,” he said. The Guardian asked Kelsey to clarify his remarks but did not receive a response.
 

One of the key figures of the Centurion Project is David Parker, a veteran Alberta political organizer with deep ties to the separatist movement, and to US Maga activists and far-right figures such as Tucker Carlson. Parker has previously faced hefty fines from Elections Alberta over violations of voting laws.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/11/alberta-voter-data-breach-separatists-referendum

[Goddess]

23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What are the chances that the separatists used their illegally acquired voter list to fill out the signatures/names on the petition?

You keep doing this.

The Centurion Project is a separate entity from the Alberta Prosperity Project.  The Centurion Project advocated for separatism, but COLLECTED NO SIGNATURES.

The group has entirely different leadership.

The signatures were NOT collected by the Centurion people.  They were collected by legally, trained by Elections Alberta volunteers.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You keep doing this.

The Centurion Project is a separate entity from the Alberta Prosperity Project.  The Centurion Project advocated for separatism, but COLLECTED NO SIGNATURES.

The group has entirely different leadership.

The signatures were NOT collected by the Centurion people.  They were collected by legally, trained by Elections Alberta volunteers.

Stop ruining his argument with your facts!!!  (he worked hard on that!  For gods sake the man only types with two fingers and you've RUINED his efforts!)

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Stop ruining his argument with your facts!!!  (he worked hard on that!  For gods sake the man only types with two fingers and you've RUINED his efforts!)

Boomers 🙄

Nothing is going to get better in this country until they die off.

I was watching an interview today, part of it was on media influence.  The last 5 years, the only people getting their news from MSM is boomers, so all they feed on is propaganda.  They talked about how people 50 and younger now watch MSM and go, "What is this BS?" 

Last election, it was mainly boomers that voted in the liberals again.  And now Canada is a subsidiary of Brookfield Corporation.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Boomers 🙄

Nothing is going to get better in this country until they die off.

I was watching an interview today, part of it was on media influence.  The last 5 years, the only people getting their news from MSM is boomers, so all they feed on is propaganda.  They talked about how people 50 and younger now watch MSM and go, "What is this BS?" 

Last election, it was mainly boomers that voted in the liberals again.  And now Canada is a subsidiary of Brookfield Corporation.

Well, there's only a handful of us Gen x'ers like you and me you know, so when the boomers die it'll be the millennials taking over, god have mercy on our souls  

I don't know what's gotten into the boomers, honestly. The silent gen is pretty normal, gen x is pretty normal, the boomers have all gone tarded. 

 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

when the boomers die it'll be the millennials taking over, god have mercy on our souls  

Maybe.  But it's mainly younger generations voting Conservative right now.  The older my son gets, the more he's aligning with me, politically.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Goddess said:

Maybe.  But it's mainly younger generations voting Conservative right now.  The older my son gets, the more he's aligning with me, politically.

Well from your lips to god's ears. Perhaps they've seen enough devastation to realize the horror of voting liberal. 

It'll probably be kind of too late for most of them though. Sadly enough they're going to have to live with the Boomer bad choices right now

[TreeBeard]

The petition has been tossed.  
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/judge-quashes-decision-to-approve-separation-petition-9.7198553

 

 

…the government, as representative of the Crown, failed in its duty to consult with applicants Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, Blood Tribe, Piikani Nation and Siksika First Nation.
 

Chief Samuel Crowfoot of the Siksika First Nation said the ruling is a reminder that treaties are not historical documents, that they are "living constitutional agreements" between First Nations and the Crown.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The petition has been tossed.  
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/judge-quashes-decision-to-approve-separation-petition-9.7198553

 

 

…the government, as representative of the Crown, failed in its duty to consult with applicants Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, Blood Tribe, Piikani Nation and Siksika First Nation.
 

Chief Samuel Crowfoot of the Siksika First Nation said the ruling is a reminder that treaties are not historical documents, that they are "living constitutional agreements" between First Nations and the Crown.

That's just going to drive sentiments up

[Goddess]

It's a setback, but as I said before - we knew this was going to be an uphill battle and this has all been anticipated and accounted for.

 

Justice Leonard’s decision: it does not prohibit an Alberta independence referendum.

The ruling is much narrower and merely technical. It says Bill 14’s transition provisions did not revive or validate the Sylvestre independence citizen-initiative petition after the earlier proposal had already been rejected. The decision today points to a cleaner lawful route: the secession referendum needs to be initiated by Alberta’s Cabinet under the Referendum Act, not through the Citizen Initiative Act. It also makes clear that the Government must consult First Nations before the vote, in case there is a potential impact on Treaty and traditional rights.

That means the ball is now in the Smith government’s court to set the secession question for the October 2026 referendum (just like the Supreme Court of Canada envisioned in the 1998 Reference Case).

[Goddess]

 

Constitutional lawyers are giving their legal opinions all over the place:

This wasn’t the government seceding.

It wasn’t even a referendum.

It was 300,000+ Albertans using a tool the legislature created to force politicians to ask a question.

The December amendment to the Citizen Initiative Act was explicitly designed to stop courts from killing petitions early on “unconstitutionality” grounds. The judge effectively bypassed that by saying the process itself triggers consultation turning a signature drive into a veto point for a handful of First Nations before a single vote is cast.

That’s not consultation. That’s a procedural kill switch handed to a minority before the majority even gets heard.

It silences a massive grassroots effort on a technicality and hands unelected judges - in this case, a Liberal Party appointed judge - (and litigants) gatekeeper power over what issues Albertans are allowed to debate.

Rule of law matters. Treaties matter. But so does the principle that citizens get to petition their own government without needing pre-approval from any interest group.

This ruling prioritizes one set of rights over the basic democratic machinery that lets 300k+ taxpayers say “we’re fed up.”

It won’t stand unchallenged.

The UCP is appealing, Stay Free Alberta is appealing, and the Court of Appeal will get a crack at it.

Good because burying legitimate grievances behind paperwork doesn’t make them disappear. It just makes people angrier.

Fix the federation properly instead of celebrating procedural wins. 

[Goddess]

Judge far too quick to toss out separation petition with 300K signatures | National Post

“Whatever your view on Alberta secession, the decision warrants attention for the readiness of the judge to prohibit a democratic process based on Indigenous rights claims.

When judges face the prospect of bringing down a whole system of property ownership or the prospect of interfering in fundamental democratic processes, they must exercise judgment.

Those reading the judgments deserve more than a few lines of mechanical test application to believe that the courts are considering all interests and are acting as courts of both law and justice.”

[TreeBeard]

Where is Poillievre on the separation issue?  What about the MP from Oklahoma?  Michelle What’s-her-name….

 

The silence from Con MPs is deafening.  And certainly telling.  They would be willing to watch the country fall apart if it helps them politically. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Where is Poillievre on the separation issue?  

He's been very vocal, he says Aberta belongs in Canada. 

23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

 

What about the MP from Oklahoma?  

Uhhhh.... yeah so Oklahoma is in the us. They don't have mp's, and if they did they wouldn't be involved in canada's politics. 

Sigh.  Why is it the right is always having to explain the basics to the left?

23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The silence from Con MPs is deafening. 

And also non existent.  Many mp's have spoken out that they want to see Alberta stay in confederation and that a pipeline would help with that so they hope carney is serious about building one and isn't just screwing around. 

(spoiler alert: He's probably just screwing around) 

So as you can see, when you base your entire argument in position on lies as you have chosen to do, you frequently wind up looking like a complete twat when somebody shows up with the truth

[herbie]

 

Alberta separatists vow to appeal petition denial as soon as US State Department tells them how

 

Edited May 19 by herbie

[Moonlight Graham]

On 5/8/2026 at 11:24 AM, TreeBeard said:

Anti-vax crackpots are behind the Alberta separatist movement.  
 

Why is there so much overlap between conspiracy theory nutjobs and this movement? 

Because they're retarded?

On 5/19/2026 at 1:05 PM, TreeBeard said:

Where is Poillievre on the separation issue?  What about the MP from Oklahoma?  Michelle What’s-her-name….

 

The silence from Con MPs is deafening.  And certainly telling.  They would be willing to watch the country fall apart if it helps them politically. 
 

I don't think losing all conservative voters in Alberta will help the CPC politically.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 5/14/2026 at 11:58 AM, Goddess said:

It's a setback, but as I said before - we knew this was going to be an uphill battle and this has all been anticipated and accounted for.

GTFO of my country.  When this referendum fails I hope you apply for US citizenship immediately.

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't think losing all conservative voters in Alberta will help the CPC politically.

Where does the CPC need votes;  Alberta, or BC/Maritimes/Ontario?   The more they side with separatists to “save the Alberta vote” the more they will lose votes where they actually need them. 

Edited May 23 by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

GTFO of my country.  When this referendum fails I hope you apply for US citizenship immediately.

Isn't that what the referendum is? An effort to GTFO of your country? i feel like you're sending mixed messages