CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine effectiveness

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, User said:

Run away? 
 

You have spent this entire thread running away and hiding behind the duplicity of saying you can’t trust facts while making your own baseless assertions of fact.

lol.

OK, show me the facts.  

1. Prove that getting vaccinated beats the shit out of every other response to the virus, including my response. 

2. Explain what the CDC and WHO were thinking when they gave guidance on masks and distancing. Why isn't getting vaccinated good enough on its own? 

3. I want sources this time not some bullshit opinion coming from you.

 

[User]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

lol.

OK, show me the facts.  

1. Prove that getting vaccinated beats the shit out of every other response to the virus, including my response. 

2. Explain what the CDC and WHO were thinking when they gave guidance on masks and distancing. Why isn't getting vaccinated good enough on its own? 

3. I want sources this time not some bullshit opinion coming from you.

 

These are your convoluted positions, not mine. 

My position was, to start this discussion, that Vaccines are clearly, vastly, a more positive outcome than negative, in that they provide people protection from COVID vs harming them.

You are the one who has turned this into your own pretzel of responses about masks.

You have already said you reject all facts. Yet continue making absurd assertions of fact you can’t back up. Now you are willing to see them?

You can find all sorts of studies like these, and basic common sense review of stats available with how vaccinated people had a lower death rate and lower severe illness rate than the unvaccinated. That compared to any negative side effects, the vast majority of people benefited from vaccines bs were harmed by them. 

“Therefore, we concluded that the benefits of the Moderna vaccine outweigh its risks for the overall target population.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10234830/

 

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, User said:

These are your convoluted positions, not mine. 

My position was, to start this discussion, that Vaccines are clearly, vastly, a more positive outcome than negative, in that they provide people protection from COVID vs harming them.

You are the one who has turned this into your own pretzel of responses about masks.

You have already said you reject all facts. Yet continue making absurd assertions of fact you can’t back up. Now you are willing to see them?

You can find all sorts of studies like these, and basic common sense review of stats available with how vaccinated people had a lower death rate and lower severe illness rate than the unvaccinated. That compared to any negative side effects, the vast majority of people benefited from vaccines bs were harmed by them. 

“Therefore, we concluded that the benefits of the Moderna vaccine outweigh its risks for the overall target population.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10234830/

 

You gave me a source, so I'll give you that. Of course the source came out of Silver Spring Maryland, a democrat stronghold, so there always has to be concern there, as everyone knows the democrat party pushes vaccinations hard. 

The source covered benefits and risks of the vaccination so they at least had enough integrity to list the risks. 

You're still running away from the CDC and WHO's directive on COVID masking and distancing because you know that further weakens your position on vaccinations. 

I reject "facts" on vaccinations and other left-wing bullshit on the subject because of general distrust of the government and my own personal experience. 

Nothing you've said or listed has changed my mind on vaccinations. You and robowoke have been good little vaccination disciples and that's your right. It's still a free country. I will continue as I always have - free of left-wing bullshit.  

[Deluge]

47 minutes ago, User said:

You are the one who has turned this into your own pretzel of responses about masks.

Oh, and wrong again. lol

I brought up masks and distancing because "Public health officials, including the CDC, local health departments, and experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci" have recommended the vaccinated to mask and social distance.

What's your rebuttal professor? 

[User]

55 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You're still running away from the CDC and WHO's directive on COVID masking and distancing because you know that further weakens your position on vaccinations. 

This is your argument. Explain how it weakens my position. 
 

 

56 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nothing you've said or listed has changed my mind on vaccinations.

Of course, because as you have repeatedly admitted, you don’t care about facts. You push illogical and two faced positions. 

42 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Oh, and wrong again. lol

I brought up masks and distancing because "Public health officials, including the CDC, local health departments, and experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci" have recommended the vaccinated to mask and social distance.

What's your rebuttal professor? 

Rebuttal to what? 

[Deluge]

Just now, User said:

1. This is your argument. Explain how it weakens my position. 

2. Of course, because as you have repeatedly admitted, you don’t care about facts. You push illogical and two faced positions. 

1. Your avoidance of it. If you think it doesn't weaken your position then answer the question. 

2. "Facts" according to research that comes out of hard boiled democrat cities. Prove that the research hasn't been manipulated by left-wing activists in lab coats. 

[User]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Your avoidance of it. If you think it doesn't weaken your position then answer the question. 

2. "Facts" according to research that comes out of hard boiled democrat cities. Prove that the research hasn't been manipulated by left-wing activists in lab coats. 

So… 

1. that is not logical. It’s circular. 
 

2. You are attacking the source… simply because of the city. 

Again, not logical.

 

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, User said:

So… 

1. that is not logical. It’s circular. 
 

2. You are attacking the source… simply because of the city. 

Again, not logical.

 

1. You're dodging the question. You've got your head so far up the vaccination cavity that you recoil from anything that isn't affirmative. Just cling to the cavity - it's sort of like a safety basement. You'll be safe.  

2. Because the city is a democrat stronghold. Prove that the science team isn't a bunch of left-wing lunatics wearing lab coats.  

[User]

19 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You're dodging the question. You've got your head so far up the vaccination cavity that you recoil from anything that isn't affirmative. Just cling to the cavity - it's sort of like a safety basement. You'll be safe.  

2. Because the city is a democrat stronghold. Prove that the science team isn't a bunch of left-wing lunatics wearing lab coats.  

1. So… are you able to actually back up the crap you asserted, or you gonna sleep lashing out like a petulant child?

2. Once again… it is your assertion they are biased, because of the city, it is your burden of proof to back that up. 

[Deluge]

28 minutes ago, User said:

1. So… are you able to actually back up the crap you asserted, or you gonna sleep lashing out like a petulant child?

2. Once again… it is your assertion they are biased, because of the city, it is your burden of proof to back that up. 

1. So, you can't answer a simple question because you know your stance on vaccinations is flaccid? I've already cleared you for the safety cavity. Why are you still yapping? 

2. I don't have proof just like you don't have proof. I can't get past my suspicions, and you can't prove that the left hasn't hijacked the science community in that democrat stronghold. 

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[User]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. So, you can't answer a simple question because you know your stance on vaccinations is flaccid? I've already cleared you for the safety cavity. Why are you still yapping? 

2. I don't have proof just like you don't have proof. I can't get past my suspicions, and you can't prove that the left hasn't hijacked the science community in that democrat stronghold. 

1. It’s your dumb assertion. You are running away from supporting it.

2. I don’t need proof, it’s your dumb assertion. It’s your job to back it up. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, User said:

1. It’s your dumb assertion. You are running away from supporting it.

2. I don’t need proof, it’s your dumb assertion. It’s your job to back it up. 

1. It's your dumb avoidance - my question still goes unanswered. Don't be a p*ssy. 

2.  I don’t need proof, it’s your dumb assertion. It’s your job to back it up. 

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[Nationalist]

Are you people still dragging this through the mud? 7 pages for what?

The wold caught a cough and got over it. The only relevant issue left is why Fauci is still a free man?

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, User said:

Rebuttal to what? 

The CDC advising the vaccinated to mask and social distance anyways. If you're vaccinated, why should you mask and distance as well? You say masking and distancing are irrelevant to the effectiveness of the vaccine. So what's your rebuttal? 

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[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Are you people still dragging this through the mud? 7 pages for what?

The wold caught a cough and got over it. The only relevant issue left is why Fauci is still a free man?

User has been pretty stable until now. I'm curious over what turned him into a COVID disciple. 

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[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

User has been pretty stable until now. I'm curious over what turned him into a COVID disciple. 

Who cares?

All I want is Fauci in a cage.

[User]

22 hours ago, Deluge said:

User has been pretty stable until now. I'm curious over what turned him into a COVID disciple. 

You not only can’t discuss things on a factual basis, you admit you refuse to, and most all you have now is acting like a child. 

[User]

22 hours ago, Deluge said:

The CDC advising the vaccinated to mask and social distance anyways. If you're vaccinated, why should you mask and distance as well? You say masking and distancing are irrelevant to the effectiveness of the vaccine. So what's your rebuttal? 

This isn’t asking me to make a rebuttal to anything. You are asking me a question I have already answered. 
 

 

22 hours ago, User said:

1. It’s your dumb assertion. You are running away from supporting it.

2. I don’t need proof, it’s your dumb assertion. It’s your job to back it up. 

Just dumb games is all you got. 

[Goddess]

23 minutes ago, User said:

Just dumb games is all you got.

A lot of this is being covered in the US Senate hearings right now.

The ones you argue with post outdated info.  It was an experimental jab and the experiment results are still coming in.

It is a game they play.

You post a new study that replicates a dozen older studies and then they post a Pharma-paid-for study from 2020.

You post a chart from the CDC that shows measles deaths went down 98% before a vaccine for it was invented and post a few studies that show improvements in sanitation, nutrition and improvements in lifestyle had the biggest effect on disease mortality rates and they ignore it and keep insisting the vaccine did all the work.

[User]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

A lot of this is being covered in the US Senate hearings right now.

The ones you argue with post outdated info.  It was an experimental jab and the experiment results are still coming in.

It is a game they play.

You folks use that word “experimental” to make it sound far more nefarious than it was. 
 

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You post a new study that replicates a dozen older studies and then they post a Pharma-paid-for study from 2020.

And?

The stats and facts remain the same, that the vaccinated had a significantly less likelihood of death or serious illness as compared to the unvaccinated.

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You post a chart from the CDC that shows measles deaths went down 98% before a vaccine for it was invented and post a few studies that show improvements in sanitation, nutrition and improvements in lifestyle had the biggest effect on disease mortality rates and they ignore it and keep insisting the vaccine did all the work.

That isn’t anything I did. 

Yes, improvements in those things did help with the spread of disease, but that didn’t eliminate or reduce it like the vaccine did. 

 

 

 

[Deluge]

57 minutes ago, User said:

You not only can’t discuss things on a factual basis, you admit you refuse to, and most all you have now is acting like a child. 

I've already told you I don't trust your sources and I gave you explanations. Why are you still stamping your feet?

You're pro-vaccination and I'm anti-vaccination. Can you not be content to agree to disagree? 

55 minutes ago, User said:

This isn’t asking me to make a rebuttal to anything. 

Yes it is. 

The CDC advises the vaccinated to mask & social distance. Do you agree or disagree? 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, User said:

You folks use that word “experimental” to make it sound far more nefarious than it was. 

I wish I could remember the name of the guy on the FDA ACIP panel on whether to mandate the shots for children said on camera, "We'll never know the effects until we give them the shots."

Then 2 of them quit over the decision.

I posted all about it at the time because medical ethics since time immemorial has been that we don't experiment on pregnant women and children.  We threw medical ethics out the window to experiment.

5 minutes ago, User said:

or reduce it like the vaccine did. 

They reduced it 98% before the vaccine.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The CDC advises the vaccinated to mask & social distance. Do you agree or disagree? 

This is the circular argument going on all over right now.

The CDC advises, then the governments mandate the advice.

When it all goes to shit, the governments blame the CDC for advising them to do it and the CDC blames the government because it was only "advice".

VOILA!  Nobody is responsible.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

This is the circular argument going on all over right now.

The CDC advises, then the governments mandate the advice.

When it all goes to shit, the governments blame the CDC for advising them to do it and the CDC blames the government because it was only "advice".

VOILA!  Nobody is responsible.

I guess I'll have to look a little deeper into that because my assumption has been that the CDC and at least the democrat party have been on the same team. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I've already told you I don't trust your sources and I gave you explanations. Why are you still stamping your feet?

You're pro-vaccination and I'm anti-vaccination. Can you not be content to agree to disagree? 

I responded to your comment where you continued to act like a child. 
 

This is a public forum. You espouse ignorant and false things… be prepared to have people respond and call you out for it.

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Yes it is. 

The CDC advises the vaccinated to mask & social distance. Do you agree or disagree? 

Once again, you kept asking me for a rebuttal and this is a question. 
 

I don’t think the CDC is still advising people to mask or social distance anymore.