CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine effectiveness

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, User said:

1. Did someone try to throw you in prison? Did you see it firsthand? How do you know it was any more widespread than what you personally observed?

OK, roboUser. 

Point out where I said that people were being thrown in jail. Point it out. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

OK, roboUser. 

Point out where I said that people were being thrown in jail. Point it out. 

I asked you questions.

You said:

”Didyou know there were citizens who wanted peoplethrown in prison for not getting vaccinated?”

So… how do you know there were people who wanted to throw other people is prison? 

[Deluge]

6 hours ago, User said:

1. I asked you questions.

You said:

”Didyou know there were citizens who wanted peoplethrown in prison for not getting vaccinated?”

2. So… how do you know there were people who wanted to throw other people is prison? 

1. You asked me stupid questions. If I had been thrown in jail for not vaccinating I would have stated it. 

2. That's another dumb question. There's no surprise that woketards would want the unvaccinated thrown in the slammer. The surprise would be that they did not want the unvaccinated thrown in the slammer. 

Here's a video from Mark Dice which confirms what I'm saying: 

 

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[User]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You asked me stupid questions. If I had been thrown in jail for not vaccinating I would have stated it. 

2. That's another dumb question. There's no surprise that woketards would want the unvaccinated thrown in the slammer. The surprise would be that they did not want the unvaccinated thrown in the slammer. 

Here's a video from Mark Dice which confirms what I'm saying: 

Why were they stupid?

You only accept your first hand observations. I didn’t ask if you went to jail either. I asked if someone tried.

A video from Mark Dice?!

Totally fabricated. Can’t be trusted. 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Why were they stupid?

You only accept your first hand observations. I didn’t ask if you went to jail either. I asked if someone tried.

A video from Mark Dice?!

Totally fabricated. Can’t be trusted. 

I just told you why: I would have stated whether someone threw me in jail or tried to throw me in jail. 

OK, I can go there too: 

Vaccinations? Total bullshit. I once received a vaccination and I got sick anyways. 

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[User]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I just told you why: I would have stated whether someone threw me in jail or tried to throw me in jail. 

OK, I can go there too: 

Vaccinations? Total bullshit. I once received a vaccination and I got sick anyways. 

Yeah… you have also repeatedly said you can’t engage in a fact based logical discussion beyond what you personally observe. 

So if people were not trying to jail you, how do you know? 

Vaccinations might be total BS for you… but how do you know they are for everyone else? 
 

What vaccination did you get that made you sick? How sick? Why should we believe you? 

 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, User said:

1. Yeah… you have also repeatedly said you can’t engage in a fact based logical discussion beyond what you personally observe. 

2. So if people were not trying to jail you, how do you know? 

3. Vaccinations might be total BS for you… but how do you know they are for everyone else? 

4. What vaccination did you get that made you sick? How sick? Why should we believe you? 

 

1. It's not that I can't, it's that I won't. I don't see the need to dig in and learn about something that the pushers don't even believe in. I see Kamelface Harris and her husband kissing each other with their masks still on, I see Gavin Newsom attending a French Laundry dinner party during COVID, none of that instills confidence. 

2. Because they support the idea. That alone should give any normal person concern. 

3. I never said it was bullshit for everyone else, but I'm still calling it bullshit.  

4. You don't have to believe me, but that doesn't change the truth. 

[User]

38 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. It's not that I can't, it's that I won't.

1. No, you try to have it both ways. Can’t/wont is just semantics. You make assertions of fact beyond your personal observations but you can’t back them up and then hide from facts that disprove your assertions claiming you don’t trust any facts you don’t personally observe. 
 

It’s quite a dishonest game you are playing.

2. who is this “they?” Did they do it to you or say it to you? 
 

3. when you say “total bullshit” total means total. If it’s only for you, that isn’t total. 

4. The “truth” for you… not for everyone else. 

[Deluge]

On 4/24/2026 at 9:37 AM, User said:

No, the point is that for the vast vast vast majority of people who got vaccinated, there were no side effects. The vast majority of those with side effects they were not significant.

The point being that the vaccine did far far far far more good than any bad. 

Far, far, far, far, more good and yet we still needed (or still need) to wear masks? 

https://www.uchealth.org/today/why-we-must-wear-masks-even-after-getting-the-covid-19-vaccine/#:~:text=It's critical to keep wearing,vaccination clinic at Coors Field

What gives, professor? 

(Yes, I'm rolling this back to the beginning of our exchange so that we can go through it more intently). 

[User]

46 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Far, far, far, far, more good and yet we still needed (or still need) to wear masks? 

https://www.uchealth.org/today/why-we-must-wear-masks-even-after-getting-the-covid-19-vaccine/#:~:text=It's critical to keep wearing,vaccination clinic at Coors Field

What gives, professor? 

(Yes, I'm rolling this back to the beginning of our exchange so that we can go through it more intently). 

What gives? 
 

Vaccines, and COVID generally speaking, are effective and good in several key areas:

-preventing death

-preventing severe illness

-preventing spread

The vaccine was much less effective than thought regarding spread, especially as virus mutated.

It was still much more effective at preventing death and severe illness.

 

[Deluge]

17 minutes ago, User said:

What gives? 
 

Vaccines, and COVID generally speaking, are effective and good in several key areas:

-preventing death

-preventing severe illness

-preventing spread

The vaccine was much less effective than thought regarding spread, especially as virus mutated.

It was still much more effective at preventing death and severe illness.

 

No, that's not what you said. 

You said that getting vaccinated is far far far far better than not getting vaccinated. Wearing masks and social distancing after already being vaccinated isn't far far far far better - it's far far far far more a pain in the ass. 

1. Preventing death: Mask, stay in your safety basement, and wait it out. That is the BEST prevention, in fact it's zero risk. 

2. See option 1. 

3. See option 2. 

That's bullshit because UCHealth still wanted everyone masked and distancing. They wanted that because their confidence in vaccinations was shaky at best.

My approach was just as effective as any other. 

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[User]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, that's not what you said. 

You said that getting vaccinated is far far far far better than not getting vaccinated. Wearing masks and social distancing after already being vaccinated isn't far far far far better - it's far far far far more a pain in the ass. 

1. Preventing death: Mask, stay in your safety basement, and wait it out. That is the BEST prevention, in fact it's zero risk. 

2. See option 1. 

3. See option 2. 

That's bullshit because UCHealth still wanted everyone masked and distancing. They wanted that because their confidence in vaccinations was shaky at best.

My approach was the best approach. 

You are conflating government mask policy with the vaccine. You are conflating your issues with masks and mask policy with the vaccine.
 

Regardless of if you were vaccinated or not, that was the government policy regarding masks. 

So… you think staying in your basement forever is better than vaccinating?

That is absurd on its face, especially as you decry mask policy…
 

[Deluge]

Just now, User said:

1. You are conflating government mask policy with the vaccine. You are conflating your issues with masks and mask policy with the vaccine.
 

2. Regardless of if you were vaccinated or not, that was the government policy regarding masks. 

3. So… you think staying in your basement forever is better than vaccinating?

4. That is absurd on its face, especially as you decry mask policy…
 

1. Nope, I'm saying that vaccinations aren't as effective as you think they are. UCHealth confirmed it. Gavin Newsom confirmed it. Kamala Harris confirmed it. I confirmed it. 

2. That's bullshit. The government got its guidance from the CDC and WHO. 

3. No, I believe not vaccinating but still going out and mingling with society is better than vaccinating. You're the one babbling about death prevention. I just gave you a sure fire way to not die. 

4. It's absurd to covid vaccination disciples, that's it. 

 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

1. Nope, I'm saying that vaccinations aren't as effective as you think they are. UCHealth confirmed it. Gavin Newsom confirmed it. Kamala Harris confirmed it. I confirmed it. 

2. That's bullshit. The government got its guidance from the CDC and WHO. 

3. No, I believe not vaccinating but still going out and mingling with society is better than vaccinating. You're the one babbling about death prevention. I just gave you a sure fire way to not die. 

4. It's absurd to covid vaccination disciples, that's it. 

 

 

1. Yeah… you claim that, but the facts don’t back you up. 
 

2. Nothing BS about it, you are conflating mask policy with vaccine effectiveness.

3. Your example has nothing to do with vaccine effectiveness.

 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, User said:

1. Yeah… you claim that, but the facts don’t back you up. 
 

2. Nothing BS about it, you are conflating mask policy with vaccine effectiveness.

3. Your example has nothing to do with vaccine effectiveness.

 

Wrong. Masking and distancing came from the CDC and WHO which means Masking and distancing WITH vaccinations make up the super responders and ALL are either recommended or required depending on which psychopath is implementing the policies. 

CDC and WHO keys to beating COVID: 

1. Vaccinations

2. Social Distancing

3. Masks

4. Whatever the f*ck else they think of. 

If you don't mask and distance too, then you might be dead. 

 

[User]

27 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. Masking and distancing came from the CDC and WHO which means Masking and distancing WITH vaccinations make up the super responders and ALL are either recommended or required depending on which psychopath is implementing the policies. 

CDC and WHO keys to beating COVID: 

1. Vaccinations

2. Social Distancing

3. Masks

4. Whatever the f*ck else they think of. 

If you don't mask and distance too, then you might be dead. 

 

This is called a red herring.

You can’t engage earnestly on the facts about the Vaccine, you know it, so you keep trying to distract with masks and now social distancing. 

[Deluge]

44 minutes ago, User said:

This is called a red herring.

You can’t engage earnestly on the facts about the Vaccine, you know it, so you keep trying to distract with masks and now social distancing. 

No, it's called a win. 

You're trying to say that the vaccine alone is enough, when it clearly isn't. If it was enough then there would be ZERO talk of masks and distancing and any other bullshit for the vaccinated. If I'm getting vaccinated, then I'm stepping out in confidence without any thought of masks or distancing or any other bullshit requirement. If I'm not doing that, then what's the point of getting vaccinated in the first place? There is no point, hence, no vaccinations, or masking or distancing. Just being smart and washing my hands.  

[User]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, it's called a win. 

You're trying to say that the vaccine alone is enough, when it clearly isn't. If it was enough then there would be ZERO talk of masks and distancing and any other bullshit for the vaccinated. If I'm getting vaccinated, then I'm stepping out in confidence without any thought of masks or distancing or any other bullshit requirement. If I'm not doing that, then what's the point of getting vaccinated in the first place? There is no point, hence, no vaccinations, or masking or distancing. Just being smart and washing my hands.  

No where did I say the vaccine alone was enough. I made a simple statement of fact about how it is far better for what it does to help mitigate death and serious illness vs any side effects. 
 

 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, User said:

No where did I say the vaccine alone was enough. I made a simple statement of fact about how it is far better for what it does to help mitigate death and serious illness vs any side effects. 

What fact? You said the vaccinations prevent death. How can the vaccine do that alone? Or are you saying the vaccine can't do it alone? If it can't, then what else is preventing death? 

[User]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

What fact? You said the vaccinations prevent death. How can the vaccine do that alone? Or are you saying the vaccine can't do it alone? If it can't, then what else is preventing death? 

Yes, the vaccines significantly mitigated risk of death.

They do that alone as they strengthen the bodies immune system to combat the virus. 
 

[gatomontes99]

“Scientific reports are routinely reviewed at multiple levels to ensure they meet the highest standards before publication. The MMWR’s editorial assessment identified concerns regarding the methodological approach to estimating vaccine effectiveness and the manuscript was not accepted for publication,” Nixon told CNN.

The hysterics of the left are just shockingly stùpid. 

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, the vaccines significantly mitigated risk of death.

They do that alone as they strengthen the bodies immune system to combat the virus. 
 

Sort of like a defective condom; you still have a reduced chance of getting pregnant, but pregnancy is also a real possibility. 

Do you agree that calls for masking and distancing for the vaccinated is complete bullshit? That masks and distancing has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccines? 

 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Sort of like a defective condom; you still have a reduced chance of getting pregnant, but pregnancy is also a real possibility. 

Do you agree that calls for masking and distancing for the vaccinated is complete bullshit? That masks and distancing has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccines? 

 

Once again… masking and distancing has nothing to do with anything here.

You are the one who keeps claiming you can’t trust facts… so how do you sit here saying they are BS? 
 

[Deluge]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Once again… masking and distancing has nothing to do with anything here.

You are the one who keeps claiming you can’t trust facts… so how do you sit here saying they are BS? 

Dude, stop running away from the question. Don't be a coward.

Do you, or do you NOT believe that masking and distancing are needed for the vaccinated? It sounds like you do believe that masking and distancing are not needed for the vaccinated, but I need you to confirm it. 

[User]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Dude, stop running away from the question. Don't be a coward.

Do you, or do you NOT believe that masking and distancing are needed for the vaccinated? It sounds like you do believe that masking and distancing are not needed for the vaccinated, but I need you to confirm it. 

Run away? 
 

You have spent this entire thread running away and hiding behind the duplicity of saying you can’t trust facts while making your own baseless assertions of fact…

Now, you want to run away from your assertion about vaccines and change the subject, saying I am running away because I won’t let you change the subject?!

Masking and distancing regarding COVID is completely based on circumstances.

It’s like asking if airbags or side airbags or child seats are needed if you are wearing a seat belt. 
 

For folks in a high risk group, during the height of the Pandemic and prior as it was more deadly and many unknowns, yeah, I’d say folks should be masking and practicing distancing.