CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine effectiveness

[John Stone]

15 hours ago, Deluge said:

I don't believe COVID vaccines help(ed). It doesn't matter what "facts" you throw out, I don't trust it. I don't trust pharma - I don't trust any of it, and I haven't since the outbreak. If I'm wrong, then it's on me. 

They say a drowning man will grasp at straws ......... I wish u long life and good health - and not be tested on ur convictions. 

Would u grasp at what u consider  a straw in pursuit of life longevity? 

........... or are u hypocritical?

Thought so! 

[John Stone]

16 hours ago, Deluge said:

No, you're trying to use science to scare people into getting vaccinations. That's why you said some shit about kids getting disfigured or some bullshit when they get older. lol

Vaccinations are nice for some people but not necessary for everyone.  

 

........... vax is nice in  preventing a pandemic. 

It's really not about you, per se?

Pandemic

noun

1.      a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease over a whole country or the world at a particular time. 

The global COVID-19 pandemic, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China. 

 

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, User said:

LOL, then there is no basis here for any kind of logical, rational discussion if all you care about is personal anecdotes and reject all factual discussion. 

It is not only on you, as you are pushing this onto everyone else too, trying to convince them to also not get vaccinated. 

That is not only on you anymore. 

The discussion starts with a question: Who do you trust? Do you trust Pfizer and the democrat party, or do you trust your own observations outside of the CDC? I wouldn't be surprised if the CDC and the democrat party were 100% aligned on everything. 

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

They say a drowning man will grasp at straws ......... I wish u long life and good health - and not be tested on ur convictions. 

Would u grasp at what u consider  a straw in pursuit of life longevity? 

........... or are u hypocritical?

Thought so! 

I had covid, and swine flu was worse. I've had regular colds that were worse than covid.  There was no point in shutting down the economy for it - other than helping Biden get into the WH, of course, but that's a really diabolical reason wouldn't you say? 

 

 

[John Stone]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I had covid, and swine flu was worse. I've had regular colds that were worse than covid.  There was no point in shutting down the economy for it - other than helping Biden get into the WH, of course, but that's a really diabolical reason wouldn't you say? 

 

 

 re: " I don't trust pharma - I don't trust any of it"  It doesn't matter what "facts" you throw out" / Deluge

that you? 

"I don't trust any of it"?

Dude, I sincerely hope ur not made out to be the hypocrite at some point in ur life........... on the other hand it might give u time to reflect. 

FWIW - The WH on  Friday shared a memo from Trump physician detailing his latest visit to WRAMC, where Trump received both a COVID-19 booster and flu shot. 

Although Trump advocated for the vaccine a few times, he eventually quieted his support for it and focused more on Biden's rollout. 

Edited April 25 by John Stone

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

........... vax is nice in  preventing a pandemic. 

It's really not about you, per se?

Pandemic

noun

1.      a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease over a whole country or the world at a particular time. 

The global COVID-19 pandemic, caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, began with an outbreak in Wuhan, China. 

 

Pandemics are nice in scaring the public and securing presidential elections. I don't vax because the reasons behind it don't gel. And then there is trust, of which I have zero. I don't trust the drug companies, the CDC, the jackass party, none of you. 

[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Pandemics are nice in scaring the public and securing presidential elections. I don't vax because the reasons behind it don't gel. And then there is trust, of which I have zero. I don't trust the drug companies, the CDC, the jackass party, none of you. 

................ yeah, things like polio scared the public. 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, John Stone said:

 re: " I don't trust pharma - I don't trust any of it"  It doesn't matter what "facts" you throw out" / Deluge

that you? 

"I don't trust any of it"?

Dude, I sincerely hope ur not made out to be the hypocrite at some point in ur life........... on the other hand it might give u time to reflect. 

Yup, that's me. I don't trust it. I'm not afraid of it, either, and neither are leading democrats like Gavin Newsom, so in this case I'm in good company.  

5 minutes ago, John Stone said:

................ yeah, things like polio scared the public. 

Polio didn't sneak an old, useless, piece of shit into the WH either. 

[John Stone]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Yup, that's me. I don't trust it. I'm not afraid of it, either, and neither are leading democrats like Gavin Newsom, so in this case I'm in good company.  

.............. the world is a sewer, getting smaller ......................... nice to hear u won't be a hypocrite ....... stay strong. 

BTW - the odds are much more favorable if ur rich. 

Edited April 25 by John Stone

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

.............. the world is a sewer, getting smaller ......................... nice to hear u won't be a hypocrite ....... stay strong. 

And you get out of the Left - it's more poisonous than covid. 

Edited April 25 by Deluge

[John Stone]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And you get out of the Left - it's more poisonous than covid. 

They say assumption will make an 'a$$' out of people. 

 

[John Stone]

9 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Yup, that's me. I don't trust it. I'm not afraid of it, either, and neither are leading democrats like Gavin Newsom, so in this case I'm in good company.  

Polio didn't sneak an old, useless, piece of shit into the WH either. 

Covid didn't keep an old, useless piece of shit in the WH either............. just the opposite. 

Maybe  he should have let the devil take the hindmost? 

[User]

53 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The discussion starts with a question: Who do you trust? Do you trust Pfizer and the democrat party, or do you trust your own observations outside of the CDC? I wouldn't be surprised if the CDC and the democrat party were 100% aligned on everything. 

No, it’s not about who I trust at all. It’s about what tue facts show. 
 

Facts are what you observe, and that is more than what you observe for yourself. 

[Deluge]

39 minutes ago, John Stone said:

They say assumption will make an 'a$$' out of people. 

 

ass/u/me

The left is more poisonous than covid. Get out before it turns you into a quivering mass of woke. 

[Deluge]

38 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Covid didn't keep an old, useless piece of shit in the WH either............. just the opposite. 

Maybe  he should have let the devil take the hindmost? 

Who, Biden? He already did. Satan's been running the left since its inception. 

[Deluge]

33 minutes ago, User said:

No, it’s not about who I trust at all. It’s about what tue facts show. 
 

Facts are what you observe, and that is more than what you observe for yourself. 

Facts are subject to manipulation. Are you trying to tell me that you trust everything that comes out? 

[User]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Facts are subject to manipulation. Are you trying to tell me that you trust everything that comes out? 

If you think there is something wrong with the facts, then make that argument. 

Where did I ever say anything that would lead you to ask me such a dumb extreme question?

Of course, I do not believe everything that comes out. 

As opposed to the equally absurd position of yours where you simply reject everything?

 

[Deluge]

56 minutes ago, User said:

1. If you think there is something wrong with the facts, then make that argument. 

2. Where did I ever say anything that would lead you to ask me such a dumb extreme question?

Of course, I do not believe everything that comes out. 

3. As opposed to the equally absurd position of yours where you simply reject everything?

 

1. There is nothing more compelling than personal experiece. I had covid and I was through it in a couple of days. If it were somehting serious like the bubonic plague then I'd probaly be dead. The point is, covid wasn't worth all the shit that this country was put through. You can keep your facts - the fact here is covid was a speed bump, that's it. 

2. If you believe covid was serious enough to shut everything down for 6 months then you're dumb enough to believe almost anything that the so-called professionals rollout. 

3. I don't reject everything. I just reject everything that has to do with covid-19. 

[robosmith]

23 hours ago, Goddess said:

Oh, I see.

That must be why people who didn't get the jabs all get covid, but people who got the covid jabs never get it.

No, you fail to understand how vaccines work.

All they do is jump start your immune system so AFTER you get infected, your body can fight it off before it gets serious. Totally depends on how your immune system responds to the vaccine proteins which mimic the virus.

If your immune system is shot, it won't work.

[User]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

1. There is nothing more compelling than personal experiece. I had covid and I was through it in a couple of days. If it were somehting serious like the bubonic plague then I'd probaly be dead. The point is, covid wasn't worth all the shit that this country was put through. You can keep your facts - the fact here is covid was a speed bump, that's it. 

2. If you believe covid was serious enough to shut everything down for 6 months then you're dumb enough to believe almost anything that the so-called professionals rollout. 

3. I don't reject everything. I just reject everything that has to do with covid-19. 

There is nothing wrong with personal experience. The issue is when you start making illogical inferences and statements that apply to more than just yourself. 

For example, it is fine to say that cilantro tastes like soap when you eat it. It is wrong to conclude that cilantro must be soap or taste like soap for everyone else. 

It is fine to say you were perfectly fine through COVID. It is ignorant, false, and wrong to then conclude it was just fine for everyone else. 

You keep speaking from extreme absurdities. COVID can be serious enough to warrant a serious response, but also say the government went too far in some aspects of their response. 

 

 

[John Stone]

18 hours ago, Deluge said:

Facts are subject to manipulation. Are you trying to tell me that you trust everything that comes out? 

......... if u don't defer to science what are you left with?

I suggest you ask this  jack wagon.........

Edited April 26 by John Stone

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

......... if u don't defer to science what are you left with?

I suggest you ask this  jack wagon.........

Apparently you're left with an ultra-high powered tanning bed and what will surely end in some wicked melanoma. 

Edited April 26 by Hodad

[John Stone]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Apparently you're let with an ultra-high powered tanning bed and what will surely end in some wicked melanoma. 

............... who would deny this guy is measles best friend.😁

 'don't ask for who the bell tolls" , dude ........... bad karma.

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, User said:

1. There is nothing wrong with personal experience.

2. The issue is when you start making illogical inferences and statements that apply to more than just yourself. 

For example, it is fine to say that cilantro tastes like soap when you eat it. It is wrong to conclude that cilantro must be soap or taste like soap for everyone else. 

3. It is fine to say you were perfectly fine through COVID. It is ignorant, false, and wrong to then conclude it was just fine for everyone else. 

4. You keep speaking from extreme absurdities. COVID can be serious enough to warrant a serious response, but also say the government went too far in some aspects of their response. 

 

 

1. I already told you that. In fact I told you that personal experience is compelling. It's more than compelling, really, because it tells me that the societal reaction to it was hysterical and highly politicized. Did you know there were citizens who wanted people thrown in prison for not getting vaccinated? I'll bet you're one of those people. 

2. Wrong. The issue is that shutting down society and forcing peole to get vaccinated was wrong. Unless COVID was the equivalent to the zombie apocalypse, you and any other vax disciple shouldn' have the right to shutdown society. And you should for sure should have zero right to force others to vax. 

3.  I already told you that. In fact I told you that personal experience is compelling. What I didn't say is that what I think is right for everyone else. What I AM saying is that the vaccinations aren't right for ME, and they aren't right for a lot of other people. If I call a leftoid, like robomarx, a slut for pushing covid vaccinations, then he's a slut. 

4. No absurdities here: Just pushback on covid vaccinations. 

 

[User]

56 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. I already told you that. In fact I told you that personal experience is compelling. It's more than compelling, really, because it tells me that the societal reaction to it was hysterical and highly politicized. Did you know there were citizens who wanted people thrown in prison for not getting vaccinated? I'll bet you're one of those people. 

2. Wrong. The issue is that shutting down society and forcing peole to get vaccinated was wrong. Unless COVID was the equivalent to the zombie apocalypse, you and any other vax disciple shouldn' have the right to shutdown society. And you should for sure should have zero right to force others to vax. 

3.  I already told you that. In fact I told you that personal experience is compelling. What I didn't say is that what I think is right for everyone else. What I AM saying is that the vaccinations aren't right for ME, and they aren't right for a lot of other people. If I call a leftoid, like robomarx, a slut for pushing covid vaccinations, then he's a slut. 

4. No absurdities here: Just pushback on covid vaccinations. 

 

1. Did someone try to throw you in prison? Did you see it firsthand? How do you know it was any more widespread than what you personally observed?

Because if you are going to start talking about other people... that is more than your anecdotal experiences. Remember... you can't trust anything you did not personally observe. 

What have I ever said anywhere here to make you bet I am one of those people?

2. Not wrong, that is exactly what you are doing here. You are trying to have it both ways, play this silly game where you dismiss any and all facts because you did not see them yourself, but then try to also make claims about things that go beyond what you observed for yourself. 

How do you get to sit here saying anything about anything regarding society? 

Where have I said one thing about forcing others to vax? 

I want to educate people on facts and truth, so they are not conned by anti-vax people like you. 

3. See, here you go again... exceeding what you observe for yourself... " and they aren't right for a lot of other people."

What do you base that on? 

4. Except, you did not just merely push back, you made an absurd, extreme assertion that you reject "everything" that has to do with COVID...

I mean, of course, not your own baseless assertions.