CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine effectiveness

[WestCanMan]

Why is a Dem cultist talking about "covid jab efficacy claims from the CDC"? 😂

Here's absolutely everything that you need to know about "covid jab efficacy":

• after vaxing 85% of our population in Canada, covid deaths went up by 25%, with almost 90% of covid deaths coming from the vaxed, and hospitalizations tripled.
• Therefor, it is an absolute certainty that vax-promises of "You won't get sick" and "You won't give covid to granny" were 100% false. Which means that we FORCED a generation of youths to inject a harmful substance into their bodies which provided absolutely no benefits to them or their communities. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I stopped engaging you when you stopped being honest about the data.

Look, I "get" that you're a big vaccine guy - get all of them, as often as you can, no need to take the individual into account.

So.....go do that.

You must be on what.....15th or 16th booster now?

 

Then show the dishonesty. You didn’t. It’s just a baseless excuse now. 

Where has my position not taken individuals into account?

I stopped taking COVID vaccine after the first shot. 

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

The difference is that you are pushing one of these positions while I am not. 
 

I'm not pushing a position.  I don't have an agenda.  I don't make money from either position.

My post above was simply information, for which I provided reasoning, data and a study you can read for yourself.

Do with it whatever you like. ☺️

1 minute ago, User said:

I stopped taking COVID vaccine after the first shot.

Against government and doctor advice???

Are you an anti-vaxxer?

[User]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

after vaxing 85% of our population in Canada, covid deaths went up by 25%, with almost 90% of covid deaths coming from the vaxed, and hospitalizations tripled.

Well, this is not only not true, you have been told this numerous times now.

Its just a lie. 
 

90% of COVID deaths were not from the vaccinated. 
 

As to the percentages, it has also been pointed out to you this is a dishonest use of percentages.

As the unvaccinated continued to get sick and die… when looking at the TOTAL amounts makes perfectly reasonable sense. 

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, User said:

No, the point is that for the vast vast vast majority of people who got vaccinated, there were no side effects. The vast majority of those with side effects they were not significant.

The point being that the vaccine did far far far far more good than any bad. 

Sorry, the rollout of masks before COVID was even a thing, and the constant push by leftists to get COVID vaccinations was suspicious as f*ck. I'm vaccine free and never felt better. 

We're going to disagree on this one 100%. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not pushing a position.  I don't have an agenda.  I don't make money from either position.

My post above was simply information, for which I provided reasoning, data and a study you can read for yourself.

Do with it whatever you like. ☺️

This is the silliest claim you have made. You have clearly been pushing a position here and on this forum for longer than I’ve been here. 
 

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Against government and doctor advice???

Are you an anti-vaxxer?

No, I fully support and encourage people to take the vaccine if they were in certain risk groups.

Specifically to this vaccine alone, the variants of the disease became less harmful as time went on, so the vaccine became increasingly less useful as well as our understanding for its effectiveness in preventing transmission.

While it was less effective as stopping the spread, it remained highly effective at reducing severe illness and hospitalization for some people. 
 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Sorry, the rollout of masks before COVID was even a thing, and the constant push by leftists to get COVID vaccinations was suspicious as f*ck. I'm vaccine free and never felt better. 

We're going to disagree on this one 100%. 

Once again, your anecdotal experience doesn’t change the facts for the population at large. 
 

Talking about masks has nothing to do with anything with vaccines. 
 

You are also conflating COVID with every other disease out there we have vaccines for if you mean you are vaccine free for everything? 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, User said:

While it was less effective as stopping the spread, it remained highly effective at reducing severe illness and hospitalization for some people. 

Did it?

This is the data for Ontario, mid-2022.    When you add the Full Vaccinated and Partially Vaccinated together, it looks even worse for your claim.

Ontario data has been used in quite a few studies.

I don't blame you for repeating the claim, it was pumped through the media like a mantra, but the data doesn't support it.

 

[Deluge]

30 minutes ago, User said:

Once again, your anecdotal experience doesn’t change the facts for the population at large. 
 

Talking about masks has nothing to do with anything with vaccines. 
 

You are also conflating COVID with every other disease out there we have vaccines for if you mean you are vaccine free for everything? 

The facts for the population at large is that the vast majority survived COVID. 

Maybe COVID burns down people with a weak constitution, or maybe people who already have health issues. COVID killed my dad's friend, but I believe he was already having some health issues. 

I had COVID and it lasted about 2 days. The swine flu knocked me on my ass for at least two weeks and there was ZERO national emergency for it. 

I got my standard shots as a kid. I got one flu shot while in the military and got sick anyways - in fact I was out of it for days. I haven't had a shot of any kind since. 

The point is, COVID was an overreaction more than anything else. 

[Goddess]

20 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The point is, COVID was an overreaction more than anything else. 

I can *kind of* forgive the overreaction at the beginning (although we had some information and data that it was not nearly as lethal as the models suggested) but I cannot forgive the continued overreaction and the propaganda campaign that followed.

Years of it. 

Mandates, restrictions, the vilification of those who didn't want to participate in the experiment, the blacklisting, smearing and cancelling of dissenting scientific voices from people previously at the top of their fields in favor of junior scientists who were more easily manipulated ($$$), the economic devastation, destroying people's careers, what was done to children.....CHILDREN, for gawd's sake.

[Deluge]

Just now, Goddess said:

I can *kind of* forgive the overreaction at the beginning (although we had some information and data that it was not nearly as lethal as the models suggested) but I cannot forgive the continued overreaction and the propaganda campaign that followed.

Years of it. 

Mandates, restrictions, the vilification of those who didn't want to participate in the experiment, the blacklisting, smearing and cancelling of dissenting scientific voices from people previously at the top of their fields in favor of junior scientists who were more easily manipulated ($$$), the economic devastation, destroying people's careers, what was done to children.....CHILDREN, for gawd's sake.

That's my point. It was an overreaction then, and it's STILL an overreaction because that's the only way these a$$holes get shit done. I wouldn't be surprised if democrats right now were secretly plotting another COVID outbreak or some other outbreak and calling it the worst thing the world has ever faced. 

[John Stone]

Gotta wonder how many in later life will condemn  their parents for not taking  advantage of a simple vax while they suffer their lives with a debilitating disease. 

What alternative is their to proven science?

Hope and  a prayer? 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Well, this is not only not true, you have been told this numerous times now.

It's 100% true, you just can't read charts and do basic math.

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Its just a lie. 

I don't think you're "lying", you're just wrong.

You looked at some charts that were labeled in a way that was misleading and you jumped to the wrong cnclusions because of it.

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90% of COVID deaths were not from the vaccinated. 

That's correct. 

I don't even know if covid deaths among the vaxed ever passed 90% during any time frame, but that's because the gov't stopped providing "covid deaths by vax status" stats to the public.

In summer of 2022 "almost 90% of covid deaths were occurring among the multi-vaxed population". That is a fact that I have proven over and over again.

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As to the percentages, it has also been pointed out to you this is a dishonest use of percentages.

It's the exact correct use of percentages.

You're admitting that you still don't even understand how the calculations were done, so how can you know if they were "honest" or not lol.

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As the unvaccinated continued to get sick and die… when looking at the TOTAL amounts makes perfectly reasonable sense. 

That's just meaningless drivel. You might wanna take another stab at saying something.

 

Remember when I said to you that the charts below were crafted to be misleading?

Just remember that:

•  when you look at the bar on the far left side of these graphs, they include covid deaths from Dec 2020, every single day of 2021, and all of 2022 up to that point. That's 22 months, and those months include the 2020/21 flu season and the 2021/2022 flu season. So it's 22 months including 2 flu seasons. Additionally, almost everyone in Canada was unvaccinated for that first flu season. That's 38M people.
• the bar on the far right side, for 4x-jabbed, only includes people who died after about mid-May of 2022, because there weren't and 4x-vaxed in 2020 or 2021. So it's only 3 months of covid, during the summer. Zero flu seasons. Zero months of flu season. Zero days of flu season. Only summer months. 

The way to extract the 2022 death rates from these charts is to:

1. use the totals from the first graph as a starting point
2. use the numbers from the 3rd graph as an end point
3. and subtract the numbers from graph 1, from the stats on graph 3, to see "how many covid deaths occured during that time interval". Ie., take the total number of deaths "up until sept 25th 2022" minus the total number of deaths "up until July 24 2022", and you have the total number of deaths between July 24 and Sept 25, 2022.
4. If you can wrap your head around that, and do the math, you will see that "almost 90% of the covid deaths occurring in 2022 were among the multi-vaxed". It's 86.3% or something like that. Maybe 86.5%. That is a stat that you may not enjoy, but it is an established fact, nonetheless. 

Now just remember that:

• in order for "forcing young people to vax" to have been a legitimate move, then we would need to see some evidence that vax efficacy claims were at least close to what we were told they were. Ie., as per Fauci (NiH), Rochelle Wolenski (CDC) and parrots like Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) "You won't even get sick from covid, and you can't pass it along to granny". <-- that is what formed the basis for the reasoning that "we should force people to vax for the common good", but it was already flawed while they were saying it.
• Seeing as "almost 90% of the covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed", it is 100% impossible to make the claim that "forcing people to vax turned out to be the right thing to do". It was an abomination of a policy right from the very first second it was proposed, and the stats have proven that it was a massive disaster. Period. There are no more intelligent words that can be added to ths conversations, aside from "I concur". 

Edited April 24 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Did it?

This is the data for Ontario, mid-2022.    When you add the Full Vaccinated and Partially Vaccinated together, it looks even worse for your claim.

Ontario data has been used in quite a few studies.

I don't blame you for repeating the claim, it was pumped through the media like a mantra, but the data doesn't support it.

 

I have never seen that before.

I will have to take a longer look at it when I get a chance. 

[Deluge]

19 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Gotta wonder how many in later life will condemn  their parents for not taking  advantage of a simple vax while they suffer their lives with a debilitating disease. 

What alternative is their to proven science?

Hope and  a prayer? 

 

 

Sorry comrade, but your idea of "science" leads to schemes like this: 

https://www.ksl.com/article/51487161/utah-couple-charged-with-kidnapping-taking-10-year-old-to-cuba

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Gotta wonder how many in later life will condemn  their parents for not taking  advantage of a simple vax while they suffer their lives with a debilitating disease. 

Don't you ever think about how parents felt when they watched their kids die from taking the covid jab, when they didn't need it at all? Or how they felt about seeing their kids get dangerous heart conditions, with permanent side-effects, from taking the jab that they didn't need? 

Why does that not occur to you? Are you heartless? I would feel like crap if I was watching my kid fight off death from a jab that they didn't need, which I made them take. 

 

FYI only 19 kids in Canada died of covid in all of 2020 and the first 11 months of 2021... How does that scream "MAKE THEM GET THE UNTESTED JAB"?

FYI no vaxt4rd has ever even attempted to answer that question, John. Not one, not ever. Why don't you go ahead and be the first? 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I have never seen that before.

I will have to take a longer look at it when I get a chance. 

Every province stopped reporting the unvaxxed/vaxxed hospitalization/death rates around that same time, when the numbers started going the wrong way for the narrative.
 

Here was Manitoba's last published data.

This was happening all over the world, so pretty much every country stopped publishing the data around mid-2022.

Two weeks from now, expect another chorus of "But the shots prevent infection, hospitalization & death." 🤪

[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't you ever think about how parents felt when they watched their kids die from taking the covid jab, when they didn't need it at all? Or how they felt about seeing their kids get dangerous heart conditions, with permanent side-effects, from taking the jab that they didn't need? 

Why does that not occur to you? Are you heartless? I would feel like crap if I was watching my kid fight off death from a jab that they didn't need, which I made them take. 

 

FYI only 19 kids in Canada died of covid in all of 2020 and the first 11 months of 2021... How does that scream "MAKE THEM GET THE UNTESTED JAB"?

FYI no vaxt4rd has ever even attempted to answer that question, John. Not one, not ever. Why don't you go ahead and be the first? 

I'd feel like crap suffer from polio from an early age.

Blind from measles! 

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Sorry comrade, but your idea of "science" leads to schemes like this: 

https://www.ksl.com/article/51487161/utah-couple-charged-with-kidnapping-taking-10-year-old-to-cuba

.............. didn't realize there was a vax for gender reassignment. 😄

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I'd feel like crap suffer from polio from an early age.

Blind from measles! 

.............. didn't realize there was a vax for gender reassignment. 😄

You don't realize a lot of things, including not realizing the connection between your idea of science and that scheme hatched by the two degenerates in that story below.  

https://www.ksl.com/article/51487161/utah-couple-charged-with-kidnapping-taking-10-year-old-to-cuba

Edited April 24 by Deluge

[Goddess]

 

 

3 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I'd feel like crap suffer from polio from an early age.

Blind from measles! 

Well, you're in luck.  The rates of infection for both those diseases fell off a cliff decades before the corresponding vaccines were invented.  Like 90%.  I showed you above.

Measles went around periodically when I was growing up.  I got both kinds, Red & German, so did a lot of other kids I knew from school and the neighborhood.

None of us went blind.

Not saying it didn't ever happen.  But perspective got thrown completely out the window during covid.  And it's time we brought it back.

[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You don't realize a lot of things, including not realizing the connection between your idea of science and that scheme hatched by the two degenerates in that story below.  

https://www.ksl.com/article/51487161/utah-couple-charged-with-kidnapping-taking-10-year-old-to-cuba

....................... please explain what that story has to do with someone in authority with no creds medically, denying the SCIENCE of preventative vax? 

 

Edited April 24 by John Stone

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I'd feel like crap suffer from polio from an early age.

Blind from measles! 

.............. didn't realize there was a vax for gender reassignment. 😄

No one is talking about "vaccines", Stone.

No one is talking about inoculations that were proven safe and effective over the past 60 years, so you're just changing the topic now.

We are talking about the covid jab which was:

1. not properly trialled
2. never proven to be effective in the real world
3. known to be dangerous, and even lethal
4. lied about over and over and over again by leftist media outlets

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, John Stone said:

....................... please explain what that story has to do with someone in authority with no creds medically, denying the SCIENCE of preventative vax? 

Never say "science" lol. 

Leftists have as much scientific knowledge and understanding as the average kindergartener. 

If I have any questions about baskets, pedophile prophets or gay sex, you're the first person I will come to. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, John Stone said:

....................... please explain what that story has to do with someone in authority with no creds medically, denying the SCIENCE of preventative vax? 

 

I said your idea of science leads to schemes like the one hatched by these two degenerates: 

https://www.ksl.com/article/51487161/utah-couple-charged-with-kidnapping-taking-10-year-old-to-cuba

What part of your idea of science are you not getting? 

See, your remark in this thread doesn't mean shit. The reason your remark in this thread doesn't mean shit is because your idea of science leads to schemes like the one hatched by the two scumbags in that article.

You have no credibility. 

Get it? 

[John Stone]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

 

Well, you're in luck.  The rates of infection for both those diseases fell off a cliff decades before the corresponding vaccines were invented.  Like 90%.  I showed you above.

Measles went around periodically when I was growing up.  I got both kinds, Red & German, so did a lot of other kids I knew from school and the neighborhood.

None of us went blind.

Not saying it didn't ever happen.  But perspective got thrown completely out the window during covid.  And it's time we brought it back.

The World is a sewer - a shrinking sewer. 

I'm assuming ur aware of NBC

Science is prevention - warts and all. 

A pandemic  will sweep thru a population like a wildfire - and that includes the military. 

Covid is proof of that. 

As of April 2025 the confirmed death toll attributed to Covid 19 stands at over 8 million.

The US official count was 1.2 million. 

I don't think a final determination was made as to whether the attack was intentional. 

Giggles n chuckles - did the slants overreact too.