robosmith Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 RFKj blocking the report for POLITICAL REASONS. 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 US CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › healthcare-pharmaceuticals 21 hours ago — A report showing the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines has been blocked from being published in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and ... CDC blocks publication of report showing COVID vaccine ... CIDRAP https://www.cidrap.umn.edu › covid-19 › cdc-blocks-p... 22 hours ago — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has canceled publication of a scientific report showing the efficacy of the COVID-19 ...Read more HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › hhs-cdc-study-covid-19-vaccines 22 hours ago — HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 vaccines prevent hospitalizations, ER visits ... A study on the benefits of Covid-19 vaccination .. Quote
John Johnston Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: RFKj blocking the report for POLITICAL REASONS. 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 US CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › healthcare-pharmaceuticals 21 hours ago — A report showing the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines has been blocked from being published in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and ... CDC blocks publication of report showing COVID vaccine ... CIDRAP https://www.cidrap.umn.edu › covid-19 › cdc-blocks-p... 22 hours ago — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has canceled publication of a scientific report showing the efficacy of the COVID-19 ...Read more HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › hhs-cdc-study-covid-19-vaccines 22 hours ago — HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 vaccines prevent hospitalizations, ER visits ... A study on the benefits of Covid-19 vaccination .. Well they appointed a Junky to run HHS. Not really surprising. Why would the Republicans care about the health of America. Shrug. Quote
robosmith Posted April 23 Author Report Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Well they appointed a Junky to run HHS. Not really surprising. Why would the Republicans care about the health of America. Shrug. They are pandering to the MAGAt anti-vaxxers and attempting to normalize NOT Federally funding the vaccines. Fortunately COVID is no longer a novel virus and there is a lot of immunity now. We'll see how that works out. Hope it's a lot better than the Measles experiment. 🤮 Quote
John Johnston Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 35 minutes ago, robosmith said: They are pandering to the MAGAt anti-vaxxers and attempting to normalize NOT Federally funding the vaccines. Fortunately COVID is no longer a novel virus and there is a lot of immunity now. We'll see how that works out. Hope it's a lot better than the Measles experiment. 🤮 I guess this is what happens when you appoint people who how zero qualifications and or training for these very important jobs. It's hard to watch the Clown Car that is America right now. Everyone except the wealthy bottom feeders pay the price, often with their lives. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, robosmith said: RFKj blocking the report for POLITICAL REASONS. 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 US CDC will not publish report showing COVID vaccine ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › healthcare-pharmaceuticals 21 hours ago — A report showing the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines has been blocked from being published in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and ... CDC blocks publication of report showing COVID vaccine ... CIDRAP https://www.cidrap.umn.edu › covid-19 › cdc-blocks-p... 22 hours ago — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has canceled publication of a scientific report showing the efficacy of the COVID-19 ...Read more HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › hhs-cdc-study-covid-19-vaccines 22 hours ago — HHS rejects publication of study showing Covid-19 vaccines prevent hospitalizations, ER visits ... A study on the benefits of Covid-19 vaccination .. Vaccine free over here! Received ZERO shots and have never been happier! Thank you, RFK! 1 hour ago, John Johnston said: I guess this is what happens when you appoint people who how zero qualifications and or training for these very important jobs. It's hard to watch the Clown Car that is America right now. Everyone except the wealthy bottom feeders pay the price, often with their lives. COVID vaccines are for pronoun sluts. Edited April 23 by Deluge Quote
Goddess Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 18 minutes ago, Deluge said: Vaccine free over here! Received ZERO shots and have never been happier! Same. And I have never had covid. The best part of being a conspiracy theorist is not having myocarditis. 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
robosmith Posted April 23 Author Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Goddess said: Same. And I have never had covid. The best part of being a conspiracy theorist is not having myocarditis. Because you don't understand it's much more common in those who got COVID than it is in those who got the jab. I got 5x shots. No myocarditis NOR COVID. And I flew to and around Egypt 30+ hours at the height of the pandemic. Quote
User Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Deluge said: Vaccine free over here! Received ZERO shots and have never been happier! Thank you, RFK! Never wore my seatbelt over here! Never been in a car wreck and living my best life driving around! Quote
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 Hm... Is the a name for any kind of political system that suppresses science for political purposes? Hm... Hm.... It's on the tip of my tongue. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 This goes have hand-in-hand with Hegseth brilliantly eliminating the mandatory flu vaccine for the military. Did you know that George Washington required mandatory vaccination for small pox? Our national relationship to science is now set back about 250 years under this clown car administration. Nothing ensures combat readiness like infections running rampant through close quarters! 1 Quote
User Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Hodad said: Hm... Is the a name for any kind of political system that suppresses science for political purposes? Hm... Hm.... It's on the tip of my tongue. Ah yes, "science" You guys love it until you don't. As dumb as this is, it was not suppressing science. As if I didn't buy my workers a sandwich for lunch was suppressing sandwiches... go out and buy your own sandwich all you want. Just now, Hodad said: This goes have hand-in-hand with Hegseth brilliantly eliminating the mandatory flu vaccine for the military. Did you know that George Washington required mandatory vaccination for small pox? Our national relationship to science is now set back about 250 years under this clown car administration. Nothing ensures combat readiness like infections running rampant through close quarters! Did Hegseth eliminate the other mandatory vaccines the military gets, including Smallpox? No. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 14 hours ago, Hodad said: Hm... Is the a name for any kind of political system that suppresses science for political purposes? Hm... Hm.... It's on the tip of my tongue. Demoncrat. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 President Donald Trump's appointment of RFK Jr., a decades-long vaccine skeptic, as Sec of HHS is definitely undermining public trust in proven safe and effective vaccines. On the other hand the appointment is further proof that the c-in-c has a penchant for surrounding himself with incompetent and unqualified individuals. Why is that? Arguably it gives Trump confidence and the bragging right of being first-amongst-equals. 😄 Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 15 hours ago, User said: Never wore my seatbelt over here! Never been in a car wreck and living my best life driving around! Can you take your seatbelt off? You can never un-vaccinate. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: Can you take your seatbelt off? You can never un-vaccinate. You can never undie from disease… Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 21 minutes ago, User said: You can never undie from disease… The majority of people were in no danger of dying from covid. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hodad Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 I read an interesting article from the Smithsonian a few days ago. Back in the 30s, an eccentric rich guy named Charles Vance Millar pranked Canada in his will, offering roughly 500,000 dollars to the mother who “has since my death given birth to the greatest number of children.” The story of the "Stork Derby" is pretty good, but what really struck me was the mortality rate among children. One woman had 20 children, 10 survived. Another had 26, 13 still living. Etc. That's just how they talked about it. Casually. "I've had X number of children, half of them are still alive." That's simply how life was before the advents of modern medicine, vaccines foremost among them. Thanks to these vaccine FUD dipshits--who are now in charge of the government position on vaccines--cases are dramatically on the rise and children are dying. Maybe we should get rid of indoor plumbing too. Just start shitting in holes in the back yard like our forebearers. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Hodad said: I read an interesting article from the Smithsonian a few days ago. Back in the 30s, an eccentric rich guy named Charles Vance Millar pranked Canada in his will, offering roughly 500,000 dollars to the mother who “has since my death given birth to the greatest number of children.” The story of the "Stork Derby" is pretty good, but what really struck me was the mortality rate among children. One woman had 20 children, 10 survived. Another had 26, 13 still living. Etc. That's just how they talked about it. Casually. "I've had X number of children, half of them are still alive." That's simply how life was before the advents of modern medicine, vaccines foremost among them. Thanks to these vaccine FUD dipshits--who are now in charge of the government position on vaccines--cases are dramatically on the rise and children are dying. Maybe we should get rid of indoor plumbing too. Just start shitting in holes in the back yard like our forebearers. I posted charts here several times of the various childhood diseases and their rates of infection & death through the decades. Every chart was the same - the numbers dropped off a cliff long before vaccines were invented for any of them. Greatly improved sanitation, higher living standards, better nutrition and improvements in & access to medical care - all accounted for the vast majority of disease decline. Vaccines took care of the last few percentages of cases and deaths. I don't discount their value, especially in certain vulnerable populations, but their success is a myth, greatly overstated. I'll let you speculate as to why ($$$$$$$). The Guyer et al. (2000) report in *Pediatrics* ("Trends in the Health of Americans During the 20th Century") analyzes U.S. vital statistics from 1900–1998. Key finding on infectious diseases: nearly 90% of the decline in child mortality from major infectious diseases (including measles, diphtheria, whooping cough, etc.) occurred before 1940—when few antibiotics or vaccines existed. Infectious diseases fell from 61.6% of child deaths in 1900 to just 2% by 1998, driven by broader public health gains like sanitation, nutrition, and hygiene. The paper notes the later role of vaccines/antibiotics in further drops but emphasizes the pre-1940 timing for most mortality reduction. Here's the paper if you want to have a look at it: Annual Summary of Vital Statistics: Trends in the Health of Americans During the 20th Century | Pediatrics | American Academy of Pediatrics I await your criticisms of Dr. Guyer, whom I'm sure you've never heard of before but will quickly Google up something that will say he's a total quack. ☺️ Edited April 24 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 49 minutes ago, Goddess said: The majority of people were in no danger of dying from covid. The majority of people are not in danger of dying when they are not in a car crash… The point being made is that it is silly to brag about you personally being just fine not taking the vaccine, as if that means everyone would have been just fine. Quote
Deluge Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 16 hours ago, robosmith said: Because you don't understand it's much more common in those who got COVID than it is in those who got the jab. I got 5x shots. No myocarditis NOR COVID. And I flew to and around Egypt 30+ hours at the height of the pandemic. This just proves you are an obedient little slut. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 minute ago, User said: The point being made is that it is silly to brag about you personally being just fine not taking the vaccine, as if that means everyone would have been just fine. Does that also apply to all the people who post they've had all the jabs and they're just fine, so therefore no one has died or been injured from them? You don't seem to have a problem with that. Every time I see that, I think "I drive drunk all the time and I've never killed anyone." 🤪 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 15 minutes ago, Goddess said: Every chart was the same - the numbers dropped off a cliff long before vaccines were invented for any of them. Yeah, and just like you did in the other thread of yours on vaccines in the Health section of the forum… I pointed out the flaws in your analysis and reasoning when specifically talking about Polio. Then you ran away. You have a surface level deep understanding of this issue that begins and ends with the typical anti-vax talking points. Nothing more. After that is defeated, your position falls apart. Quote
User Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 6 minutes ago, Deluge said: This just proves you are an obedient little slut. No, the point is that for the vast vast vast majority of people who got vaccinated, there were no side effects. The vast majority of those with side effects they were not significant. The point being that the vaccine did far far far far more good than any bad. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 Just now, User said: Then you ran away. I stopped engaging you when you stopped being honest about the data. Look, I "get" that you're a big vaccine guy - get all of them, as often as you can, no need to take the individual into account. So.....go do that. You must be on what.....15th or 16th booster now? Just now, User said: The vast majority of those with side effects they were not significant. Oooooo. Mean. 😢 The parents of the children who died or were vaccine injured likely considered their children very significant. And there's far more of them than you know. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: Does that also apply to all the people who post they've had all the jabs and they're just fine, so therefore no one has died or been injured from them? You don't seem to have a problem with that. Every time I see that, I think "I drive drunk all the time and I've never killed anyone." 🤪 The difference is that you are pushing one of these positions while I am not. Yes, it’s just as illogical to presume that just because you are fine, everyone would be. Quote
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