Army Guy Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 20 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: What happened 47 times... AG's strategy of laying down and giving away the farm? I never said that....I said the US is going to dictate the terms....Much like they are doing now....you and carney can take their time hope to rein in trump, that's the Liberal stratagem....and if he is not reined in...then all those lost jobs means squat...Oh well....and still no Cusma...which is end game for US.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: YOU are the one wishing and hoping that we can trust Teump to keep his agreement THIS TIME when ue ias already shown repeatedly that he doesn’t honour his agreements l Do you need to be reminded that his tariffs are a blatant violation of the USMCA deal that he signed and called “the greatest deal ever” and that he has already threatened new tariffs against UK amd EU over Greenland and Hormuz despite already hailing made a “deal” with them? It’s clear to most people that making any deal with Trump is just giving away everything and getting nothing in return Should we really sell out the entire country for generations to come and become the 51st state just to buy a slim chance that tool and die makers in southwestern Ontario “might” get some relief? Can you not understand that giving up all our leverage BEFORE negotiations even begin is a recipe for disaster? And then we’re supposed to show uo to negotiations completely unarmed where the Trump admin will have NEW demands. Having to accept the other sides demands BEFORE negotiations commence isn’t how negotiations work! If Trump wants any more concessions he will have to bargain for them and offer something in return, and hopefully more than just stopping his attacks Let me reiterate Trump cannot pull out of CUSMA. CONGRESS would have to approve and even the current Republican congress would never agree to it After the midterms that will only be even less likely and Trump will be even weaker Only a fool would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by rushing to make concessions now I guess we will have to wait until this summer to see what is going to happen, Carney has already shown that he will cave as he has on many occasions already.... Inside US law there is provisions to tariffs While USMCA generally requires duty-free trade for qualifying goods, the U.S. has used other legal mechanisms (such as Section 232) to impose these levies. It is the entire Canadian industry, which represents 50 K jobs, plus another 100 K in other dependent companies....But if that is not worth consideration because YOU think we can get a better deal by waiting until 2029...i can't wait to see the job losses for that year... I did not say that....I said the US will dictate the terms, and in the long run Canada will comply what other choice does it have...There is no way we can compete again' st an economy 10 to 20 times larger than ours .... He can pull out of Cusma, you do not know that for a fact that he will not get his votes he needs....And if he does not pull out do you really think he could not make trade with us miserable...And again i did not say we had to make concessions as you people suggest I said the US will dictate the terms....You guys make it sound like we hold all the cards....when we don't....The liberals have delayed because they can't get a deal.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 (edited) 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: I understand that the Auto industry is American....perhaps you can name a Canada manufacturer that build domestic Canadian cars or trucks... you can't because there is none...America is looking after America, just like Canada is doing.... And America is not looking to have all cars built in the US...Some how in your mind that is a bad thing... Correct. Henry Ford and friends decided to keep their head offices on the other side of the river and locate a part of their manufacturing footprint in Ontario. Also correct that America is looking after America....which is why we have to look after ourselves. Isn't that the whole point. 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: Do they need Canadian cars or trucks....i mean the companies that make them are American owned and American based... It's not about them needing Canadian built cars/trucks. Those cars/trucks are just part of the supply chain and don't all stay in Canada anyway. It's about the tariffs that have been on to cost pressure manufacturers to reshape their manufacturing footprint to the US. Not complicated... more jobs move to the US less jobs here. 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: Why is that so hard to understand, the Auto industry is American, and if they gave us some of the market and now want it back why is that so bad....What is stopping some Canadian form doing the same thing....build a car or truck... I understand that our auto industry is made up of US, Japanese or German based companies... what is your point? They employ Canadian workers. And what are you talking about... the solution is to build A car here? That's probably why no Canadian has decided to invest in a start-up auto company that could compete. 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: Like i said i would like to blame the NDP but they are not smart enough....and since we are going on year 11 of liberal rule i think they pretty much own any of todays problems....and i understand that the liberals have this urge to blame someone else for all these problems ....but come on "11 years" to improve or reverse any conservative decision is all on them... But we can play this game all day, how far do you want to go the turn of the century... You were actually do real good with 3 paragraphs of no liberal chatter, until.... Be serious... you're saying the investment that left Canada during a conservative term is really on the liberals because they should have reversed those decisions? If on the other foot, you right wingers sure are defensive about the same things you slam liberals for. 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: I agreed with you because what you printed was the truth...but the blame does not rest on Just Harpers shoulders....despite what you think...since then we have had 11 years of liberal policies that have brought us to this place we are at today....LIBERALs need to step up and own that sh!t... Lol... you guys are broken records. And yes, absolutely they need to step up. Edited April 25 by LinkSoul60 Quote
BeaverFever Posted April 25 Author Report Posted April 25 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: guess we will have to wait until this summer to see what is going to happen, Carney has already shown that he will cave as he has on many occasions already.... No in fact if you have been paying attention Carney and team have escalated the rhetoric doubling down that there will be no more concessions prior to negotiations and that Canada “doesn’t take instructions from the US” Now that Carney has a majority he doesn’t have to tread as lightly. With a majority it is now a fact that Carney will outlast Trump in office, (unless Trump goes full dictator and refuses to leave at the end of his term, which nobody can fully rule out). Almost anyone who replaces him is guaranteed to be more reasonable and trustworthy than Trump 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Inside US law there is provisions to tariffs While USMCA generally requires duty-free trade for qualifying goods, the U.S. has used other legal mechanisms (such as Section 232) to impose these levies. Trump is losing in the courts over those and they are deeply unpopular and harmful to US industry and consumers. A new congress is likely to put an end to them. 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: It is the entire Canadian industry, which represents 50 K jobs, plus another 100 K in other dependent companies....But if that is not worth consideration because YOU think we can get a better deal by waiting until 2029...i can't wait to see the job losses for that year... It was Stephen Harper who recently said he would sooner “impoverish the entire country” than forfeit our sovereignty allow ourselves to become the 51st state. You know it’s funny historically conservatives have like to troll France and call them “surrender monkeys” because they were defeated by the Nazis and did the rational thing as a result. Yet here you are wanting to surrender the entire country because of hypothetical potential job losses in the short term. You fail to understand this isn’t about one deal it’s about forever surrendering our sovereignty to current future US administrations You are also naive and foolish to think any “deal” with Trump will save any jobs. Trump does not honour his own agreements he will take what he wants Surrender is not like to save anything. 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: I did not say that....I said the US will dictate the terms, and in the long run Canada will comply what other choice does it have...There is no way we can compete again' st an economy 10 to 20 times larger than ours .... He can pull out of Cusma, you do not know that for a fact that he will not get his votes he needs....And if he does not pull out do you really think he could not make trade with us miserable...And again i did not say we had to make concessions as you people suggest I said the US will dictate the terms....You guys make it sound like we hold all the cards....when we don't....The liberals have delayed because they can't get a deal.... The problem with conservatives thinking is that it always struggles with nuance. You think “more powerful” is the same as “all powerful” The American economy in general and several politically important regions in particular would be badly damaged and are already paying the price for Trump’s tariffs. We have already seen the spokespeople of every major industry testify to congress that they need CUSMA to continue and would be financially devastated without it. The manufacturing association, the automakers association, the home builders association, the retailers association. I repeat: Trump doe not have the support to cancel CUSMA in congress, or amongst the American people or business community. full stop and the new congress will certainly reign him in especially if/when democrats seize control which is looking more like every day. He is running out of time and he knows it And to set the record straight The Liberals have not delayed…TRUMP canceled the talks and has instead been demanding unilateral concessions before the talks even begin. Do you not remember? We made some smaller ones in good faith but only an ABSOLUTE FOOL would make all their concessions BEFORE the negotiations begin. We are done doing that now and time is on our side. Quote
blackbird Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 Former PM Stephen Harper is not an advisor or participant in the Carney government trade negotiations. Quote
herbie Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 But being a loyal Canadian Harper has offered abd has been consulted about trade with the USA. Just as Mulroney's opinions are valued by Carney, As opposed to PP who has 9 experience to offer dick shit. Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Gaétan Posted April 25 Report Posted April 25 On 4/21/2026 at 4:09 PM, BeaverFever said: Poillievre’s meltdown continues Erin O'Toole, Lisa Raitt, Ralph Goodale among the names on Carney's Canada-U.S. council https://nationalpost.com/news/erin-otoole-lisa-raitt-ralph-goodale-among-the-names-on-carneys-canada-u-s-council Are these people lobbyists for the arms industry? Quote
Army Guy Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: No in fact if you have been paying attention Carney and team have escalated the rhetoric doubling down that there will be no more concessions prior to negotiations and that Canada “doesn’t take instructions from the US” Now that Carney has a majority he doesn’t have to tread as lightly. With a majority it is now a fact that Carney will outlast Trump in office, (unless Trump goes full dictator and refuses to leave at the end of his term, which nobody can fully rule out). Almost anyone who replaces him is guaranteed to be more reasonable and trustworthy than Trump Trump is losing in the courts over those and they are deeply unpopular and harmful to US industry and consumers. A new congress is likely to put an end to them. It was Stephen Harper who recently said he would sooner “impoverish the entire country” than forfeit our sovereignty allow ourselves to become the 51st state. You know it’s funny historically conservatives have like to troll France and call them “surrender monkeys” because they were defeated by the Nazis and did the rational thing as a result. Yet here you are wanting to surrender the entire country because of hypothetical potential job losses in the short term. You fail to understand this isn’t about one deal it’s about forever surrendering our sovereignty to current future US administrations You are also naive and foolish to think any “deal” with Trump will save any jobs. Trump does not honour his own agreements he will take what he wants Surrender is not like to save anything. The problem with conservatives thinking is that it always struggles with nuance. You think “more powerful” is the same as “all powerful” The American economy in general and several politically important regions in particular would be badly damaged and are already paying the price for Trump’s tariffs. We have already seen the spokespeople of every major industry testify to congress that they need CUSMA to continue and would be financially devastated without it. The manufacturing association, the automakers association, the home builders association, the retailers association. I repeat: Trump doe not have the support to cancel CUSMA in congress, or amongst the American people or business community. full stop and the new congress will certainly reign him in especially if/when democrats seize control which is looking more like every day. He is running out of time and he knows it And to set the record straight The Liberals have not delayed…TRUMP canceled the talks and has instead been demanding unilateral concessions before the talks even begin. Do you not remember? We made some smaller ones in good faith but only an ABSOLUTE FOOL would make all their concessions BEFORE the negotiations begin. We are done doing that now and time is on our side. Are you kidding me, Carney did not need a majority to have talks about trade...He decided not to talk to the US, in fact the several members of the US trade team have stated there has been no serious talks since oct last year....Liberals are not interested in a deal, and Canada is bleed jobs as a result lost already is over 100,000 jobs, and in the near future 150,000 more.....Up until this point he has taken direction form the US, 2 % GDP, 5 % GDP, all the concessions we have made so far in regards to trade, stop lying to your self...Carney will get a deal but it is not going to look like the one Carney envisages, it will be the one that the US crafts...... Yes carney will out last trump at what cost, because right now there is a huge cost....Again your hoping that the next guy has integrity....Hope is not a tactic it is a last ditch effort... Key word here is "likely" there is NO guarantee that will happen...Again Carney has no plan for any deal....Nobody knows the plan... We are talking about a trade deal , some how your going down the rabbit hole about 51 st state....If trump wanted Canada he could have it in under 24 hours....we are not Iran, we are not prepared for any conflict....His threats are just words....Now your just making sh!t up...I did not say we should surrender the entire country....we have already lost 100 k jobs and the tool and die industry were just in Ottawa begging for a trade deal because they don't think they can last 6 months...WHY would they do that, 150 k more jobs on the line, and your OK with it....Because of what some sh!t Carney feed you....THERE is no deal to be had.... And to be blunt, Canada has very little sovereignty....We basically do what ever we are told, i think the first time we showed any back bone was when Chretien said no to Iraq, then under the covers he sent troop anyways... we have consistently said no to building our military...we are laggards, our country is in shambles, we can't even trade between provinces.... no pipelines we have 3 levels of government plus indigenous communities...we can't even defend the north....let alone the entire country.... Yes the US economy would feel some pain, but Canada's would be crushed....not sure why that is so hard to understand...but the US would recover fairly easily....Again that is not a guarantee...trump has proven over and over again he can over come most obstacles....At best all you have here is a guess...Besides he does not have to cancel it, just ignore large parts of it, or modify it....while tariff Canada to pieces... How do you know that the liberals have not delayed anything, give us a source....The fact nobody knows what the Canadian plan is, they have not told any one let alone Canadians, the US on the other hand said things are not going well...I remember alot of things trump said then the next day it is something else....what we have all been waiting for is carney to tell us the plan....And time is not on our side....their is a price to be paid.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 20 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Correct. Henry Ford and friends decided to keep their head offices on the other side of the river and locate a part of their manufacturing footprint in Ontario. Also correct that America is looking after America....which is why we have to look after ourselves. Isn't that the whole point. It's not about them needing Canadian built cars/trucks. Those cars/trucks are just part of the supply chain and don't all stay in Canada anyway. It's about the tariffs that have been on to cost pressure manufacturers to reshape their manufacturing footprint to the US. Not complicated... more jobs move to the US less jobs here. I understand that our auto industry is made up of US, Japanese or German based companies... what is your point? They employ Canadian workers. And what are you talking about... the solution is to build A car here? That's probably why no Canadian has decided to invest in a start-up auto company that could compete. You were actually do real good with 3 paragraphs of no liberal chatter, until.... Be serious... you're saying the investment that left Canada during a conservative term is really on the liberals because they should have reversed those decisions? If on the other foot, you right wingers sure are defensive about the same things you slam liberals for. Lol... you guys are broken records. And yes, absolutely they need to step up. By all means Canada has to look after ourselves....But the Auto industry is not Canadian....the US has allowed us to be a part of it...Now they want it back....because they have shed to many jobs over seas...Canada should be bringing in other manufacturers to full those voids.. Just not Chinese... Right now the existing supply chain is not working with the tariffs....the manufactures understand this which is why there is movement back down south....as you have said... Plenty of European car manufactures could move here to fill the domestic market....or we continue to buy US made cars...My point is those other car manufacturers don't have tariffs do they... IF Harpers policies where so bad...why would the liberals not change them ?....they did not think it was that bad, they agreed with those policies or just to damn lazy....either way they had 11 years to correct or change them....they must of been good with those Harper polices....And when it comes to investments leaving the country, "1 trillion" has left since 2015, thousands of times larger than when harper was in charge....basically your deflecting because of bad liberal decision have really hurt our nation... Go for it, the liberals on here do it every day , you seem to think it is a one way street bi7ch away it is about the only thing that is free ........ We are broken records because the liberals give us so much ammo.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 7 hours ago, herbie said: But being a loyal Canadian Harper has offered abd has been consulted about trade with the USA. Just as Mulroney's opinions are valued by Carney, As opposed to PP who has 9 experience to offer dick shit. PP is doing just fine, it is carney that stole a lot from PP campaign and many other ideas....for a guy who is the man for the job...he had to do a lot of borrowing.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted April 26 Author Report Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Are you kidding me, Carney did not need a majority to have talks about trade...He decided not to talk to the US, in fact the several members of the US trade team have stated there has been no serious talks since oct last year....Liberals are not interested in a deal, and Canada is bleed jobs as a result lost already is over 100,000 jobs, and in the near future 150,000 more.... What planet are you living on? Just a little recap for you 1) WE ALREADY HAVE A DEAL ITS CALLED CUSMA AND TRUMP HAS ALREADY VIOLATED IT WITH THIS TRADE WAR 2) Trump started the trade war with his tarriffs TRUMP Cancelled trade talks and has refused to resume them, not is. He demanded concessions to restart them, we made the concessions and he still didn’t restart them. Stop your ridiculous gaslighting. What I said was now that Carney has a majority he’s amped up the tough talk against Trump and said there will be no more concessions without talks resuming 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes carney will out last trump at what cost, because right now there is a huge cost....Again your hoping that the next guy has integrity....Hope is not a tactic it is a last ditch effort... You are the one relying on hop, hoping that Trump despite being a repeat offender at violating agreements and going back his word will somehow honour them this time if we just make more concessions and give up all our leverage before entering negotiations empty handed. . Funny you don’t believe in bail for repeat offenders but here you are advocating for exactly that with Trump. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: We are talking about a trade deal , some how your going down the rabbit hole about 51 st state....If trump wanted Canada he could have it in under 24 hours....we are not Iran, we are not prepared for any conflict....His threats are just words....Now your just making sh!t up...I did not say we should surrender the entire country....we have already lost 100 k jobs and the tool and die industry were just in Ottawa begging for a trade deal because they don't think they can last 6 months...WHY would they do that, 150 k more jobs on the line, and your OK with it....Because of what some sh!t Carney feed you....THERE is no deal to be had.... We already have a trade deal and it covers 85% of all our trade tariff-free. Look you just don’t understand. You give the bully your lunch money without any resistance that bully will own you for life and will take it from you every day. If the bully knows he has to fight you for it every time even if he knows he will win he’s going to be very selective about it because most of the time he’s not going to want to fight. You have a ridiculously simplistic idea that making us the 51st state is about military invasion but its actually about making surrender monkeys like you bend over and spread your cheeks simply by tweeting threats without them having to endure any of the financial or political pain they would actually face if they kept up their tariffs. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: And to be blunt, Canada has very little sovereignty....We basically do what ever we are told, i think the first time we showed any back bone was when Chretien said no to Iraq, then under the covers he sent troop anyways... That’s false. Chretien did not “send troops” to Iraq, period in any sense of the term. Please stop repeating that nonsense. We also did not send troops to Vietnam, we maintained relations with Cuba, we have stood up to US before. Not enough IMO and that’s as much to do with the fact that our business class has been US-aligned for generations. You’ve watched too many Hollywood movies and overestimate the “greatness” of USA and underestimate Canada’s advantages. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes the US economy would feel some pain, but Canada's would be crushed....not sure why that is so hard to understand...but the US would recover fairly easily....Again that is not a guarantee...trump has proven over and over again he can over come most obstacles....At best all you have here is a guess...Besides he does not have to cancel it, just ignore large parts of it, or modify it....while tariff Canada to pieces... It’s not that I don’t understand it’s that YOU don’t understand that it’s not completely up to Trump. He can’t unilaterally modify USMCA and his tariffs are constantly losing in US court. Canada is the largest trading partner for most US states and the 2nd or 3rd for pretty much all the others. Elections in the US are decided by razor thin margins in those most affected states. Congress has the power to out a stop to it and it would be absolutely stupid to not at least wait for midterms for our position to improve. There will always be time to surrender afterwards if need be, but the day before the first battle is not one of them. . 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: How do you know that the liberals have not delayed anything, give us a source.... Do you not remember Trump abruptly cancelling talk last summer? And then again after Doug Ford’s Reagan ad? Seriously? Carney has said repeatedly they have been ready to sit down whenever the Trump team is willing to come back to the table. Its Trump team that is refusing to come to the table and saying Canada must agree to its concessions BEFORE any negotiations begin which is not how negotiations work. 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted April 26 Author Report Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: PP is doing just fine, it is carney that stole a lot from PP campaign and many other ideas....for a guy who is the man for the job...he had to do a lot of borrowing.... Another revisionist history lesson. I will remind you Carney’s platform was released well in advance of PP’s. Carney was campaigning on Trumps tariffs while PP was sticking to “just like Justin” all the way to the final few week. Only when it was far too late in the campaign did PP realize his mistake so he delayed his platform release to rewrite it at the 11th hour, mostly with ideas borrowed from Carney. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Another revisionist history lesson. I will remind you Carney’s platform was released well in advance of PP’s. Carney released his campaign platform on April 19. Poilievre released his on April 22. It was a very fast election. If you want to call 3 days "well in advance" well.....go ahead. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: WE ALREADY HAVE A DEAL ITS CALLED CUSMA AND TRUMP HAS ALREADY VIOLATED IT WITH THIS TRADE WAR Canada has been violating it for 5 years, long before Trump came along. The US releases a formal list of trade irritants with CUSMA every year and Canada has always ignored it. Under Biden, the US took Canada to CUSMA dispute resolution many times and lost every time and then refused the recommendations to resolve. Biden did nothing about this and just kept letting Canada off the hook. Trump came along and now Canada is not being let off the hook anymore and imposed counter tariffs. I'm not saying this is ALL Canada's fault, but your narrative that this is ALL the US's fault is CBC propaganda. I think the Liberals, continuing under Carney who is clearly stalling CUSMA talks, are still thinking that the US will continue to do nothing. I don't think that's going to happen this time. 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: Canada has been violating it for 5 years, There is a long list of Canada's violations, but as examples - The DST, the Online Streaming Act, the diary cartel.....these were all violations of CUSMA. The Dispute resolution panel also determined that they were violations, but Canada went full-steam ahead with them anyways and refused to revoke them. This was all long before Trump. He's just refusing to let Canada get away with violations any longer. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
herbie Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: it is carney that stole a lot from PP campaign and many other ideas. Like that stupid idea to forego govt tax revenue so consumers could afford to hand more money to the oil companies? Thank God he hasn't stooped to fork over all tax revenue so consumers could get hosed even more! Trudeau would have done something 'awful' like told you to drive less and offered commercial operations higher mileage deductions. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 On 4/23/2026 at 1:15 PM, Army Guy said: 100 % right , but this is Carneys promise to get it done, He should be dragging in the primers and setting the tone...Stop letting him off the hook....and then their is the voters, with the amount of money on the table we should all be screaming to get this done.....but like everything in this country it will take decades He can not dictate what the premiers can or cannot do. There is a clear federal/provincial jurisdiction line. He can discuss and encourage but the Premiers and their cabinet/legislators and voters decide. You are always whining about dictatorships and here you are wanting Carney to be one LOL 2 hours ago, Goddess said: Carney released his campaign platform on April 19. Poilievre released his on April 22. It was a very fast election. If you want to call 3 days "well in advance" well.....go ahead. But polievere was campaigning against Trudeau LOL It took PP 4 or 5 months to realize he was beaten by Carney LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
BeaverFever Posted April 26 Author Report Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Goddess said: There is a long list of Canada's violations, but as examples - The DST, the Online Streaming Act, the diary cartel.....these were all violations of CUSMA. The Dispute resolution panel also determined that they were violations, but Canada went full-steam ahead with them anyways and refused to revoke them. This was all long before Trump. He's just refusing to let Canada get away with violations any longer. None of that is true. And in fact CUSMA explicitly allows both countries to impose dairy restrictions and USA has more dairy import restrictions and subsidies than we do. We import more US dairy than they import from us. Edited April 26 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: None of that is true. Yes, it is. I think it's why Carney caved on the DST so fast. Because he knew it was violating CUSMA. He knew all along, even when he was advising Trudeau, but the US was letting it slide. Until they weren't. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 24 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: None of that is true Read it before you comment, please. I'll even make it super easy for you. 2026 NTE Report _ Final.pdf The Online Streaming Act and DST are discussed on pages 65-67. Of note to Canadians (the ones who actually care what's going on) on page 62 and as discussed in the recent US committee meetings: Canada has been restricting bulk imports of US fruits and vegetables. And on page 63, Canadian provinces banning US liquor is discussed. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
BeaverFever Posted April 26 Author Report Posted April 26 3 hours ago, Goddess said: Canada has been violating it for 5 years, long before Trump came along. The US releases a formal list of trade irritants with CUSMA every year and Canada has always ignored it. Under Biden, the US took Canada to CUSMA dispute resolution many times and lost every time and then refused the recommendations to resolve. Biden did nothing about this and just kept letting Canada off the hook. Trump came along and now Canada is not being let off the hook anymore and imposed counter tariffs. I'm not saying this is ALL Canada's fault, but your narrative that this is ALL the US's fault is CBC propaganda. I think the Liberals, continuing under Carney who is clearly stalling CUSMA talks, are still thinking that the US will continue to do nothing. I don't think that's going to happen this time. False. First of all Biden didn’t challenge the existence of the supply management system they just claimed it wasn’t being implemented fairly and they won that ruling, Canada didn’t ignore that decision, we made changes. Biden complained again the following year that the changes weren’t good enough but he lost and Canada won. Case closed IT IS USA WHO IGNORES TRADE RULINGS THAT ARENT IN ITS FAVOUR USA lost USMCA decision in 2023 regarding auo origin rules and has done nothing USA has repeatedly lost NAFTA and WTO rulings invalidating its softwood lumps duties against Canada and USA continues to ignore them For years US presidents of both parties have blocked all appointments to the world trade organization,appeals panel -which has effectively rendered it unable to function since 2019. Quote
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Canada didn’t ignore that decision, we made changes. Not enough. The US still feels Canada is not abiding by the spirit of the agreement. I just saw it discussed extensively in the US hearings. It's still a major irritant. Look, as I said in the initial post - the US is not innocent with regard to CUSMA. All I'm saying is that your preferred narrative that Canada is being picked on for no reason at all, is false. We've done our fair share of breaking CUSMA for years. Why can't you admit that? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: I just saw it discussed extensively in the US hearings. I feel like this is the biggest impediment to Canada succeeding. The Liberal party and their pom-pom wavers NEVER, EVER, EVER hear from the "other side." So they never, ever get the "whole story" or any perspective on a given issue. In fact they literally refuse. It's a deliberate sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, I can't hear you. No problem ever gets solved when one side refuses to consider the other or make any compromises or concessions. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
TreeBeard Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 On 4/21/2026 at 4:00 PM, Army Guy said: the Liberal moto is the US is the enemy Who exactly says “the US is the enemy”? Quote
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