paxamericana Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: HA HA HA. The Chinese own the USA LOL You cannot do without them HA HA HA China should have never been a manufacturing hub. Their supply of peasant labor is ending after 50 years of one child. That’s on top of their energy scarcity So laugh all you want Canuck, it won’t change reality. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, paxamericana said: China should have never been a manufacturing hub. Their supply of peasant labor is ending after 50 years of one child. That’s on top of their energy scarcity So laugh all you want Canuck, it won’t change reality. Hey...China became what it is because of American consumers got tired of getting ripped off by their own manufacturers LOL Americans will still buy Chinese products for a very very long time. Reality is you Americans fu*ked yourselves Edited April 8 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goddess Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 These cars aren't going to be "built" in Canada. They are "assembled." Like IKEA furniture. And they do it the Chinese way. In Europe: EV giant BYD accused of forced labour violations at European factory | CBC News "Nobody asks themselves why the cars were so cheap: it's because when you decide to choose affordability to serve your finite resources at the expense of society's values of fairness, somebody else pays the bill," said Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association president Flavio Volpe. "Increasingly in advanced Chinese manufactured goods, they're not just exporting the product. They're exporting their domestic business practices and hiding behind impressive investment numbers in the hopes that we look away." The report is "deeply concerning," said Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association president Brian Kingston. "Canada's auto industry can compete and win but the playing field must be level," he said. And in Brazil: Brazil prosecutors sue Chinese carmaker BYD for violating labor rights | CNN Business Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
herbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 China has an energy scarcity? Someone Trump should tell them when he meets with Xi. F-ck up their grid instead of the USAs Quote
herbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: These cars aren't going to be "built" in Canada. They are "assembled." I worked at the Kenworth plant, the wife at Frieghtliner. We sent knockdowns to AUs. NZ and other countries. Friends worked at Hayes where they assembled US knockdowns. Same union local, same pay. Put the axles on, screw down the cab and connect the witing and hoses. 1/4 of the job. But once again hetting 1/4 instead of all isn't good enough? Sell Geely or BYD a chunk of and a couple Board seats of GM, Ford or Stellantis ans see how the problem changes Quote
paxamericana Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 15 minutes ago, herbie said: BYD You can have your Canadian assembled Chinese junk. I take my American Engineered and assembled Tesla over that any day. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) 53 minutes ago, herbie said: I worked at the Kenworth plant, the wife at Frieghtliner. We sent knockdowns to AUs. NZ and other countries. Friends worked at Hayes where they assembled US knockdowns. Same union local, same pay. Put the axles on, screw down the cab and connect the witing and hoses. 1/4 of the job. But once again hetting 1/4 instead of all isn't good enough? Sell Geely or BYD a chunk of and a couple Board seats of GM, Ford or Stellantis ans see how the problem changes Shake those pom-poms for Xi! WoooooHooooooooo!! Edited April 8 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 On 4/7/2026 at 12:34 AM, herbie said: Who cares? We're building them for us, not them. Besides what happens if Stellantis rolls Geely into their brand? They won't be "Chunes:e cars aby more. Besides f-ck MAGA abd their tariffs. Now they're whining that Buy Canadian is a trade irritant.. Do as we say, not as we do? And I just saw some FaceButt post that they won't let you cross into the USA driving a Chinese car. What a load of shit, We will all care when CUSMA is not agreed upon or canceled and the US levies tariffs on all Canadian goods....you do know 70 to 80 % of all our trade goes to the US right...and when it is tariffed and us consumers are not buying it because it is to expensive....what do we do then sherlock..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 On 4/7/2026 at 12:54 PM, Moonbox said: Good thing the government already rejected the plan, right? https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-stellantis-chinese-evs-leapmotor-melanie-joly-brampton/ Regardless, your whole attitude and understanding on trade seems ridiculous. The Orange Baboon has decided he is going to extort and bully Canada over its reliance on the USA for trade, and yet everything Canada does to diversify and make themselves less dependant is a problem to you because it will upset the Americans? 🤦♂️ As ridiculous as antagonizing our largest trading partner i'm sure...70 to 80 % of our trade is with the US...So for you and other liberals this makes sense, lets keep kicking the US in the Nuts and hope we can diversify our trade to the point we don't rely on the US...How well is that working out for us.....We can't even replace Chinas 4 % of GDP trade how do we replace the 70 to 80 % of US trade.....Please Use little words that my attitude and understanding can comprehend....Well i may not have a degree in economics but I'm pretty sure that this liberal reasoning is not going to solve any of our problems, with this president.......Even you understand that... When we have not signed on to a new trade agreement yes, i worry about upsetting the Americans, signing anything with the Chinese is not a good move, they have already slapped Canada with massive tariffs in the past because they did not get what they wanted, what makes they a reliable partner... not to mention all the human rights abuses, they are still committing....And as some liberals on here have already suggested morals and values should not come into play when we are talking about money....SO why not buy oil or other products from Iran, Iraq, Russia, Afghanistan, shit liberals lost their minds when Canada wanted to sell LAV 7 to Saudi.. but now it is ok to do business with anyone....because it is 2026 baby The US is the largest economy in North America, they can dictate what they want to whom ever they want because we need them more than they need us....Risking any of that is RIDICULOUS and lacks understanding of how all this works... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 21 hours ago, TreeBeard said: So you’re saying America should have a say on the cars Canada builds while they also try and stop Canada from making American brand cars? Why do you hate Canada with such a passion? Yes that is what I'm saying...you seem OK to risk our current trading practices we have with the US , over some Chinese cars..... When your one of the worlds largest economy's , and our next door neighbor, to whom 70 to 80 % of our trade goes to yes....they do have a say in what and whom we trade with.....Just as they have a say on who they trade with.....or they stop taking trade from Canada and Canadians learn how to eat crow.. and become the 51 st state.... Why do you hate being in a prosperous country so much would risk most of our GDP for a couple of Chinese cars.......Is this the hill you want to die on.....DO you liberals think about consequences at all... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Scott Moe Im sure he likes the idea of not having tariffs ....maybe we should ask doug ford what he thinks... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, Army Guy said: As ridiculous as antagonizing our largest trading partner i'm sure...70 to 80 % of our trade is with the US...So for you and other liberals this makes sense, lets keep kicking the US in the Nuts and hope we can diversify our trade to the point we don't rely on the US. We're not the antagonizer here. The fickle and fragile temperament of a 80 year old man-baby is the problem. We can't trust arrangement made with him, and by extension we can't trust the American population, who've elected him twice. Making ourselves less reliant on an abusive partner makes sense to anyone with a functioning brain. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 8 hours ago, Barquentine said: So we shouldn't allow any foreign automakers in North America? AI: "Many foreign automakers—primarily Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Hyundai—manufacture vehicles in North America, with major plants in the U.S. South, Canada, and Mexico." Where in my post did i state that ? Building anything from China here in Canada is a bad idea....period....I'll repeat that anything from "China" is a bad idea....The Americans don't like it, because it undermines North American auto industry....which includes most of those you mentioned.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Goddess Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Making ourselves less reliant on an abusive partner makes sense to anyone with a functioning brain. If only the Uyghurs had thought of that before...... Or the auto plant workers in Hungary and Brazil....... Or Australia before China turned on them....... Or Canada before all the Chinese drug cartels...... Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Army Guy Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Moonbox said: We're not the antagonizer here. The fickle and fragile temperament of a 80 year old man-baby is the problem. We can't trust arrangement made with him, and by extension we can't trust the American population, who've elected him twice. Making ourselves less reliant on an abusive partner makes sense to anyone with a functioning brain. Yes we are, if the US has already explained dealing with China is a bad idea....and we do it anyways that is antagonizing.... And yes i agree Trump has laid down the rules, and we have constituently broken them....He as the largest dic* on the block gets to make all the rules...not Canada not anyone else....we has a nation have to come to those terms...we are not as big or as important as we think we are... So this makes sense, we antagonize our largest trading partner , and then try and do business with a nation that holds only 4 % maybe....how do you square that hole, anyone with a functioning brain would say that is a mission impossible...if for some reason we can not even cut off China that represents a 4 % share of GDP....how do we mange to wean off the US 80% share....It sounds good on the liberal propaganda sheet and if it was easy we should be noticing a huge drop in US trade...but we are not...it is mission imposable...and when the next president comes in it will all be reversed... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes we are, if the US has already explained dealing with China is a bad idea....and we do it anyways that is antagonizing.... Yes but the Orange Baboon and his clown cabinet are completely and utterly full of shit. The fact that they try to extort and bully us to the point where dealing with China presents itself as the more reliable option is their bad, not ours. This isn't a phenomenon unique to Canada. This is a global reaction to an untrustworthy and belligerent US administration doing everything they can to undermine their credibility and leadership. 33 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And yes i agree Trump has laid down the rules, and we have constituently broken them. Trump's rules change daily and are based on his fragile emotional state. Following his so called "rules" is the equivalent of bending over and taking his little peener dry. I didn't realize that was your kink, but you've always presented as closet-MAGA. 🤷♂️ Edited April 8 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: American consumers got tired of getting ripped off by their own manufacturers LOL They irony is that American manufactures got tired of paying the wages American workers expected. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 2 hours ago, paxamericana said: You can have your Canadian assembled Chinese junk. I take my American Engineered and assembled Tesla over that any day Goody for you, we were used to Chinese built Teslas here until the bullshit started. Tesla and Volvo will be most of the Chinese quota once again. Maybe BYD can switch grills and call them Acadians or Beaumonts again... Quote
eyeball Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: We will all care when CUSMA is not agreed upon or canceled and the US levies tariffs on all Canadian goods....you do know 70 to 80 % of all our trade goes to the US right...and when it is tariffed and us consumers are not buying it because it is to expensive....what do we do then sherlock..... Laugh at Trump as he tries to convince an increasingly angry and broke US electorate that the tariffs are actually making them richer. And we should certainly look at export controls to rub the cost of Trump's trade war even harder in America's nose. Semper fi Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
paxamericana Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 26 minutes ago, herbie said: we were used to Chinese built Teslas here until the bullshit started This is exactly why you got on America’s shit list. Quote
herbie Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: We will all care when CUSMA is not agreed upon or canceled and the US levies tariffs on all Canadian goods I remember many of my parent's friends who always voted Conservative because they were worried what the Americans would do. F-ck them. Time to back a guy who'll moving our economy so we don't think like that anymore. Trump's made it cleat enough is enough, dumb enough to make the threats out loud and think we're scared of him. He won't even make it his whole term. Just keep delaying the new CUSMA agreement until he's in jail or buried under ground, Edited April 9 by herbie Quote
herbie Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 MOF if Pugeot, Vauxhall or SEAT want to send parts and assemble here, let them. If they think money's tp be made in a market of 'only' 40 million it's their choice. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes we are, if the US has already explained dealing with China is a bad idea....and we do it anyways that is antagonizing.... Why do we need the US to explain who we should or shouldn't trade with. We're not antagonizing the US with bringing in a Chinese vehicle when ~20% of Mexico's EV sales are Chinese built. We're both part of the NA auto supply chain so any comments were just that and to be protective of their business. Trump even said earlier this year that he was open to seeing China invest in plants in the US and with US labor. And hell yes we should do that here if the opportunity came about and be damned what Trump says. Competition is a good thing, and a good way for Canada to pivot more into EV production. You're of the opinion we should bow to the US and do as Trump says. Fortunately we elected a guy who doesn't think that same way. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: Yes but the Orange Baboon and his clown cabinet are completely and utterly full of shit. The fact that they try to extort and bully us to the point where dealing with China presents itself as the more reliable option is their bad, not ours. This isn't a phenomenon unique to Canada. This is a global reaction to an untrustworthy and belligerent US administration doing everything they can to undermine their credibility and leadership. Trump's rules change daily and are based on his fragile emotional state. Following his so called "rules" is the equivalent of bending over and taking his little peener dry. I didn't realize that was your kink, but you've always presented as closet-MAGA. 🤷♂️ Regardless of who YOU or the liberal party think of the president of the US, the fact remains is they are the big dog in the street, and if you F around you lay around....we need them more than they need us....I don't know why i have to explain that to someone that claims to be an economic guy.. That's what this is all about, the left does not like to be told what to do....got nothing to do with trump or the US...what your doing is destroying our chances at a CUSMA agreement, and a lot more....TO you and those like you, being right or being your own man is more important to you than survival itself....The global reaction was to get a deal, and over ride their pride....because their nations depend on US commerce ..It is called diplomacy...right now we have none... So trump is all over the map, this is not Canada's first trump presidency...and yet we have forgotten what he is like , read a book and find out how to deal with him.....leave your attitude and pride at the door, and think about the country and not the next election.... you can call it what ever you want, i call it being a realist.....BUT lets be clear, Canada is not in the drivers seat, never has been, never will be....so you can bend over like the rest of the countries or learn how to eat birch bark and bird seeds...once our economy is destroyed.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 (edited) 43 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Why do we need the US to explain who we should or shouldn't trade with. We're not antagonizing the US with bringing in a Chinese vehicle when ~20% of Mexico's EV sales are Chinese built. We're both part of the NA auto supply chain so any comments were just that and to be protective of their business. Trump even said earlier this year that he was open to seeing China invest in plants in the US and with US labor. And hell yes we should do that here if the opportunity came about and be damned what Trump says. Competition is a good thing, and a good way for Canada to pivot more into EV production. You're of the opinion we should bow to the US and do as Trump says. Fortunately we elected a guy who doesn't think that same way. Why do we need the US to explain anything to US...well we do 80 % of our trade with them, we need them more than they need us....Yes we are antagonizing them , they clearly stated that they did not want any Chinese cars to be sold in north America...not by us and not by Mexico.... Chinese autos are not part of the NA auto industry....sorry...ask Ontario or Canadas Auto union if they want Chinese cars ? they have said clear NO fing way....the industry has been heavily damaged and we want to give more away....is that good economics ? Your not in charge, the liberals think it is a good idea, but they are not in charge either, the terms will be laid out by the US, or they will leave CUSMA leaving Canada with a full bag of tariffs on everything..... So ya if you think Canada has any control it is because the US gave it to us , pissing them off before Cusma is signed, is not a good idea........we will see how that works out come time to settle CUSMA.... I'm not my opinion, that is todays reality, that while this president is in charge, he will get his way or destroy everything in his path....Canada will bow to him come Cusma, or lose everything......even Carney the touted master negotiator will not get his way on these issues...Carney does not hold all the cards and the ones he has can be replaced by another nation... No you elected a guy that has not accomplished much in his first year....Election is over....your man is not the man we all thought he was... Edited April 9 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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