August1991 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 I could be wrong but I reckon that most Americans don't care and don't know about Iran's regime - as long as they don't send planes into large American buildings. Or attack Pearl Harbour. ===== At present, the price of gasoline in New Jersey is around $4 per gallon. In Georgia, around $3.60. Trump will be a lame duck for his last two years. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, August1991 said: I could be wrong but I reckon that most Americans don't care and don't know about Iran's regime - as long as they don't send planes into large American buildings. Older Americans most certainly have a long memory about Iran's "regime"...younger folks not so much. Palestine supporters are more likely to know and side with Iran. Quote At present, the price of gasoline in New Jersey is around $4 per gallon. In Georgia, around $3.60. Trump will be a lame duck for his last two years. Gas prices were higher/longer for Biden in 2022's midterm run up. He lost the House while gaining seats in the Senate. Trump will likely get the same results...divided Congress. This is not unusual....Obama got clobbered far worse in the 2010 and 2014 midterms regardless of gas prices, far more than Trump in 2018. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted April 3 Author Report Posted April 3 42 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: .. Older Americans most certainly have a long memory about Iran's "regime"...younger folks not so much. Palestine supporters are more likely to know and side with Iran. ... Over 50,000 Americans were willing to die for America in Vietnam. In Iraq, about 3,000. I reckon that Putin and Xe know these numbers. Quote
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Older Americans most certainly have a long memory about Iran's "regime"...younger folks not so much. Everyone has pretty much edited out what happened the first time America and Iran crossed paths. Younger generations are inheriting a long festering mess they have virtually no knowledge of. They never taught us a thing in Canada about residential schools and abuse when I grew up. When do kids learn about things like Operation Ajax in the US? 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Palestine supporters are more likely to know and side with Iran. It's a lot more like sympathy for ordinary people who were given a really raw deal by a couple of the biggest geopolitical vandals in the world and who should have known better. One almost did but caved to their baser instincts anyway. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This is not unusual... Sure...it happens all the time. Isn't this what your Framers wanted, just like your voters? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Everyone has pretty much edited out what happened the first time America and Iran crossed paths. Maybe in Canada, but America's collective memory was reminded by Hollywood in Ben Affleck's "Argo" (2010) [Oscar winner] aka CIA Canadian Caper to rescue the hostages and Reagan's Iran-Contra affair and hearings for Oliver North (a movie by Oliver Stone was planned). Various other documentaries over the years as well, and high visibility compensation payments by Congress. Older Americans have not forgotten, and punished Jimmy Carter for it at the polls in 1980. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 Anyway, I think eyeball is talking about the 1950s. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Everyone has pretty much edited out what happened the first time America and Iran crossed paths. Younger generations are inheriting a long festering mess they have virtually no knowledge of. They never taught us a thing in Canada about residential schools and abuse when I grew up. When do kids learn about things like Operation Ajax in the US? It's a lot more like sympathy for ordinary people who were given a really raw deal by a couple of the biggest geopolitical vandals in the world and who should have known better. One almost did but caved to their baser instincts anyway. Sure...it happens all the time. Isn't this what your Framers wanted, just like your voters? Actually, I was taught about the residential schools. In fact, one of my HS buddies and team mates in hockey, was a native going to school in the city. He said he was doing it because he wanted a good education. The residential schools were an attempt to educate the natives. Many of them did so. Many did not. But the rumors about killing the students is nothing more than an ugly Libbie rumor. Im not a fan of this "war", and I blame Isreal for it. I understand the desire to neuter the Islamic Republic. I just dont think it was America's job to do so. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Im not a fan of this "war", and I blame Isreal for it. I understand the desire to neuter the Islamic Republic. I just dont think it was America's job to do so. I appreciate your honesty, and expressing your opinion this way. But I'm asking honestly: shouldn't the president be accountable for this? For sure people would have told him about the extreme risk involved. Some people, like Megyn Kelly, are trying to say that people didn't tell him about the risks them but they were obvious. For sure someone would have warned him, and so the decision was his... Not Israel and not Steven Miller or whoever. That's my take, I'm honestly interested in yours. Thanks for your time. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: I appreciate your honesty, and expressing your opinion this way. But I'm asking honestly: shouldn't the president be accountable for this? For sure people would have told him about the extreme risk involved. Some people, like Megyn Kelly, are trying to say that people didn't tell him about the risks them but they were obvious. For sure someone would have warned him, and so the decision was his... Not Israel and not Steven Miller or whoever. That's my take, I'm honestly interested in yours. Thanks for your time. I...mostly agree. Trump did make the call and I'd like to know why. Is it really that the Isreali lobbies have bought American subservience? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: I...mostly agree. Trump did make the call and I'd like to know why. Is it really that the Isreali lobbies have bought American subservience? Trump made the call. He also made the call when the U.S. withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 because of noncompliance. All those who say Trump only bluffs and chickens out [Trump Always Chickens Out (TACO)] got it very wrong this time. Israel is a very important U.S. ally with far more skin in the game than say...Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Fluffypants Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump made the call. He also made the call when the U.S. withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 because of noncompliance. All those who say Trump only bluffs and chickens out [Trump Always Chickens Out (TACO)] got it very wrong this time. Israel is a very important U.S. ally with far more skin in the game than say...Canada. Yeah when a country's stated purpose is wiping you out, you tend to pay attention. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump made the call. He also made the call when the U.S. withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 because of noncompliance. All those who say Trump only bluffs and chickens out [Trump Always Chickens Out (TACO)] got it very wrong this time. Israel is a very important U.S. ally with far more skin in the game than say...Canada. That's true. But is Isreal really a "good" ally? Seems they're really "good" at causing conflict. 1 minute ago, Fluffypants said: Yeah when a country's stated purpose is wiping you out, you tend to pay attention. And that should be a reason for the USA to go to war...why? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 Just now, Nationalist said: That's true. But is Isreal really a "good" ally? Seems they're really "good" at causing conflict. Yes...Israel is a really good ally...not perfect (see USS Liberty)...but essential for U.S. interests in the region. And now more Arab states are aligned and on side than not. Plus Israel had partnered with the American and other militaries to develop and test weapons systems, intel gathering platforms, covert operations, hostage rescues, counter terrorism, etc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Fluffypants Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's true. But is Isreal really a "good" ally? Seems they're really "good" at causing conflict. And that should be a reason for the USA to go to war...why? Their mere existence causes conflict. Israel spends 90% of their time defending themselves from Palestinian attacks and yet the Palestinians are the victims. These are all people no other country wants because when they go into other countries they create problems. You don't see any country offering to take the Palestinians in do you? They just cry about them and use them as a way to attack Israel, they could give half a shit about them. I always laugh at liberals who love the Palestinians soooooo much even though they are the antithesis of everything they believe in. Iran creates chaos all over the Middle East. Their leaders are religious extremists who if they ever got a nuclear bomb wouldn't waste a moment to launch it in the name of Allah. We have to remember that Iran literally has Death to America day. They do most of their worst work using proxies, funding terrorists groups. These aren't good people and regime change MUST happen for the safety of the world. Just the fact they have a holiday called Death to America day should be all you need to know. Edited April 3 by Fluffypants 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...Israel is a really good ally...not perfect (see USS Liberty)...but essential for U.S. interests in the region. And now more Arab states are aligned and on side than not. Plus Israel had partnered with the American and other militaries to develop and test weapons systems, intel gathering platforms, covert operations, hostage rescues, counter terrorism, etc. Ya, Isreal also gave America Epstien and Maxwell...and her father. https://www.defenddemocracy.press/how-israel-owns-the-u-s-government/ I dont know, man. It looks like Isreal is driving US foreign affairs. And for what? What does Isreal give the US? I mean...other than a steady stream of grief. The Muslims dont need Isreal, in order to be on friendly terms with America. Its Isreal who needs America, in order to be on friendly terms with the Muslims. Now...considering what we see in Canastan...do you think the Muslims will ever really be friendly with Isreal? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I dont know, man. It looks like Isreal is driving US foreign affairs. And for what? What does Isreal give the US? I mean...other than a steady stream of grief. Israel's bond with the U.S. was forged during the Cold War and reinforced many times for U.S. interests and wars since. What does Israel give the U.S. ? A friendly and supportive nation in a very dangerous but vital region of the world. American tanker and tactical aircraft are recovering and provisioning there right now. Quote Now...considering what we see in Canastan...do you think the Muslims will ever really be friendly with Isreal? Several already are...Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Morroco, Sudan, Bahrain. Edited April 3 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Their mere existence causes conflict. Israel spends 90% of their time defending themselves from Palestinian attacks and yet the Palestinians are the victims. These are all people no other country wants because when they go into other countries they create problems. You don't see any country offering to take the Palestinians in do you? They just cry about them and use them as a way to attack Israel, they could give half a shit about them. I always laugh at liberals who love the Palestinians soooooo much even though they are the antithesis of everything they believe in. True. The Palestinians have always been the..."gypsies"...of the Semitic world. There's no doubt about that one. Yet...even though they collectively want nothing to do with the Palestinians, they sure dont seem to keen on the Palestinians being displaced by Jews. They dont like either...but probably have a bigger hate-on for The Jewish State...wouldn't you say? 17 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Iran creates chaos all over the Middle East. Their leaders are religious extremists who if they ever got a nuclear bomb wouldn't waste a moment to launch it in the name of Allah. We have to remember that Iran literally has Death to America day. They do most of their worst work using proxies, funding terrorists groups. These aren't good people and regime change MUST happen for the safety of the world. Just the fact they have a holiday called Death to America day should be all you need to know. Ya..."Death to America" day. Please... They hate America because of their support for Israel...and the Shaw thing...but Iran is not a military threat to America. And it should be noted that, its apparent that alot of Iranians do not want to kill America. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
gatomontes99 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 Enten: Dem Net Approval Of Leadership Is Minus 4, "Even Democrats Don't Like Their Own Leaders" http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2026/04/02/enten_dem_net_approval_of_leadership_is_minus_4_even_democrats_dont_like_their_own_leaders.html The second link there is CNN showing that the democrats are 4 points underwater with their own party. There will be primary challenges and disenfranchised voters. The party is going to have to spend a lot of money just to get to the ballot. Then they will have to go up against a candidate that can talk about all the good things that have happened. It is unlikely that gas prices will still be this high by then. It is likely that Iran will still face challenges and that is the weak point for the right. 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Israel's bond with the U.S. was forged during the Cold War and reinforced many times for U.S. interests and wars since. What does Israel give the U.S. ? A friendly and supportive nation in a very dangerous but vital region of the world. American tanker and tactical aircraft are recovering and provisioning there right now. Forged...how? Reinforced...how? With cashola maybe? You say this but I cant think of a single benefit Isreal has provided the USA. Can you? And...America did not need Israel's aid to make nice with the Arabs. Texaco did a great job all by themselves. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Older Americans most certainly have a long memory about Iran's "regime"...younger folks not so much. Palestine supporters are more likely to know and side with Iran. Gas prices were higher/longer for Biden in 2022's midterm run up. He lost the House while gaining seats in the Senate. Trump will likely get the same results...divided Congress. This is not unusual....Obama got clobbered far worse in the 2010 and 2014 midterms regardless of gas prices, far more than Trump in 2018. Trump's "war of choice" is WILDLY UNPOPULAR, and that will only get much worse with boots on the ground and many more dying. Quote
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Older Americans have not forgotten, and punished Jimmy Carter for it at the polls in 1980. Bullshit. Older Americans have simply ignored it. It's to the Democrats shame they let themselves be punished in 1980 for a mess Republican's initiated in 1953. Especially when Democrats turned down Britain's request that America overthrow Mossadegh. If the consequences weren't so destructive, deadly and destabilizing it would almost be comical. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Bullshit. Older Americans have simply ignored it. It's to the Democrats shame they let themselves be punished in 1980 for a mess Republican's initiated in 1953. Especially when Democrats turned down Britain's request that America overthrow Mossadegh. If the consequences weren't so destructive, deadly and destabilizing it would almost be comical. OK...we all know that expert knowledge about American's memory comes from...Canada ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...we all know that expert knowledge about American's memory comes from...Canada ! It's America's memory lapse that's at issue. No one is more oblivious to it than America. Your friends are aware and while friends usually don't let friends drive drunk there's only so much they can do. You're the ones who need to admit you have a problem. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 Just now, eyeball said: It's America's memory lapse that's at issue. No one is more oblivious to it than America. Your friends are aware and while friends usually don't let friends drive drunk there's only so much they can do. You're the ones who need to admit you have a problem. Friends don't let friends always pay the military tab either, but that hasn't stopped deadbeat Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Friends don't let friends always pay the military tab either, but that hasn't stopped deadbeat Canada. That's true...but I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Forged...how? Reinforced...how? With cashola maybe? You say this but I cant think of a single benefit Isreal has provided the USA. Can you? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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